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Here is a link to the leading causes of death in the US in 2009 according to the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm/For those too lazy to link:Number of deaths for leading causes of deathHeart disease: 599,413Cancer: 567,628Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 137,353Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,842Accidents (unintentional injuries): 118,021Alzheimer's disease: 79,003Diabetes: 68,705Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,692Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,935Intentional self-harm (suicide): 36,909I have no idea where your radio station got its information, but that is the first time I have seen such a claim being made.
Doctor's surgical mistakes and their prescription dugs is #1 cause of death today.
WTF, are we even in the same conversation? One of the posters opposed science to anecdotal evidence and proposed that if we accepted "science" over anecdotal evidence, then something was wrong. Before you get on your high horse, you might want to make sure it has some damn legs.And no, science isn't a body of religious dogma. Humanity tried that for a long time, and we never could figure out how to deal with things like food poisoning, cholera, etc. And no, science isn't just random pseudo-empirical puttering around by the unschooled. It just doesn't work that way. By this time in human history, "science" for the most part does have an established meaning as a body of knowledge that's been heavily systematized over the last few hundred years. Sure, there have been some big breakthroughs by people outside the main body of "scientists" as defined by universities and research labs. But that's become increasingly rare, and even something like the discovery of h. pylori, while it was against the grain of the mainstream, was still done by someone we would all think of as a "scientist". And I never said that the anti-science position was consistent, or that there is only one possible one. At least one such position has clearly been expressed in at least one post in this thread, so your rather sanctimoniously put claim that nobody here takes such a position is nothing but empty gasbaggery.
The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US. (By contrast, the number of deaths attributable to heart disease in 2001 was 699,697, while the number of deaths attributable to cancer was 553,251.5) (snip)Each year approximately 2.2 million US hospital patients experience adverse drug reactions (ADRs) to prescribed medications.(1) In 1995, Dr. Richard Besser of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated the number of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually for viral infections to be 20 million; in 2003, Dr. Besser spoke in terms of tens of millions of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually.(2, 2a) Approximately 7.5 million unnecessary medical and surgical procedures are performed annually in the US,(3) while approximately 8.9 million Americans are hospitalized unnecessarily.http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/health/cause.htmOf course no government agency like the CDC or AMA is ever going to blame Doctors.
Sure, but there's no way it wouldn't be even worse without some kind of science. Snake oil was actually a medicine at one point . And we're talking about science in general at this juncture in the discussion, not just dbt. The process for funding the r & d of pharmaceuticals may be corrupt and problematic. But are you advocating we go back to the way things were 120 years or so ago? Leeches, no antibiotics, the germ theory of disease in dispute, etc,etc?I know it's fashionable in some corners to be against science as it's practiced today....
Doctor's surgical mistakes and their prescription dugs is #1 cause of death today.....The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US.
I'll have you know my gasbag is quite full. Good day, sir.
Not to cut your post out when quoted, but I'd like to address a couple of points if I may. Please don't misunderstand, I'm not anti-science in any way. And pointing out that a system is broken is not anti-science, it's anti-incompetence. Medicine is not the linchpin in the scientific method, rather a poor stepchild to it. And yes, leeches are used regularly today in many surgical procedures, the overuse of antibiotics just killed my father in May, and germ theory as it relates to viruses in in a major state of flux. So it's not just fashionable to question medical science today, it's correct.And yes, we're not just talking about medicine, but I'd say DBT is roughly 50% of our discussion as it relates to audio, and was what I assume you were referring to when you brought up medicines. As an aside, DBT is used only as a rough screening procedure in Pharmaceutical testing, not a final arbitrator. Much more stringent methodology is used. To take it a bit farther than your post, and closer to audio discussions, I like having a good set of measurements on equipment and for my listening room. I think measurements can frame the picture more precisely, but it's mostly the picture that I'm interested in. So I'll continue to use listening as a final arbitrator in all things audio. All that being said, despite all the minutia, we prolly aren't that far apart. Back to medicine for a minute, I couldn't agree more. This past May the hospital flat out killed my father. He went in with nothing life threatening, should have been released in a day or so, and they committed major malpractice and gross negligence at multiple levels from nurses to attendings, and completely covered it up. They falsified cause of death to cover their mistakes, an indictable offense. So when I see a list of major causes of death, I don't know whether to laugh or cry, it's all a big joke. And to answer the inevitable question, no, we didn't sue. We could have easily won, but he was 83 yo and there are no damages at that age.
What happened to your father was horrible. I'm really sorry to hear that.
Not sure what happened to this thread, but it sure isn't about rip-offs in audio anymore....Jim
