[rajacat]

High rez. CDs'. It's seems that it's hit or miss with these but they want a premium price.

The music lover hasn't reaped any cost benefits from the transition from LPs to CDs. given the physical size and production costs of LPs, shipping costs and artwork the poor consumer has been shafted by the recording industry. On the other hand, the recording industry has had to cope with rampant pirating of copyrighted music. I guess they got what they deserved.

[Andre2]

Hey Mr. B, I wondered what happened to you.  Thanks for chiming in, a perfect time for a realignment.

I don't think you need to buy anything more than this:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=105174.0

http://www.aktimate.com.au/micro.html

Simply add music and stir.  For C&C why would you need anything else?  Ergo, all amps, preamps, cables, other speakers, etc. are over-hyped (which is a more polite word than rip-off, you're correct).

That ^^^ is one of the reasons why I love this site - a wealth of (new) information (to me).
 

[doug s.]

Well, in the C&C "context" the total system cost is under $1k...

agreed.  but, digital, imo, is one piece of the c&c pie that can fit right in to the "big rigs" w/o skipping a beat, as spending more won't get you much...

doug s.

[Early B.]

Hey Mr. B, I wondered what happened to you.  Thanks for chiming in, a perfect time for a realignment.

I don't think you need to buy anything more than this:



http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=105174.0

http://www.aktimate.com.au/micro.html

Simply add music and stir.  For C&C why would you need anything else?  Ergo, all amps, preamps, cables, other speakers, etc. are over-hyped (which is a more polite word than rip-off, you're correct).

What's your point?? The C&C circle mainly discusses getting bang for buck from separates, and this thread is consistent with that approach.

[AmpDesigner333]

I sat back and watched this thread for a long time now, silently....

The little quarrels are hilarious; like two 1st graders kicking sand at each other.  "I know you are, but what am I?"

Some people never get to possess, sample, or even have any appreciation whatsoever for the finer things in life.  Denial by choice is typically accompanied by misery.

Aside from that, buyer beware.  Information is easy to get these days.



-Tommy O

[Devil Doc]

Ah, you must be a third grader. Your post,essentially, accomplishes the same thing.
You just had a little more primary impulse control.

Doc

[werd]

Ah, you must be a third grader. Your post,essentially, accomplishes the same thing.
You just had a little more primary impulse control.

Doc

Good luck getting him to see that. I wouldn't say first graders either. More like monkeys throwing their own poo at each other... Lol

[doug s.]

Some people never get to possess, sample, or even have any appreciation whatsoever for the finer things in life.  Denial by choice is typically accompanied by misery.

i love the finer things in life. (whether or not that's a good thing, i am not sure - that's another discussion.  )  regarding audio, i have been fortunate to experience a lot of the "finer" things.  and, anything w/a digital source ain't it, regardless of price - i know, i have experienced quite a bit.  that's not to say i have experienced everything, but i have yet to experience anything remotely as musical as analog.  it's not denial by choice, it's simple reality due to the medium.  i'd be willing to spend more, but it won't get me anything appreciably better to make it worth it...

doug s.

[medium jim]

That says a lot about those who drink coffee made from coffee beans that have been recovered from Monkey Poo!

Jim

[Devil Doc]

Good luck getting him to see that. I wouldn't say first graders either. More like monkeys throwing their own poo at each other... Lol

C'mon werd, I was defending your honor.

Doc

[werd]

C'mon werd, I was defending your honor.

Doc

Haha

And I was defending yours.

[Devil Doc]

I enjoy trading verbal jabs, werd, keeps the Alzheimer's at bay, but you got to come up with your own material, not just turn around what I say. You just proved that Amp fella right.

Doc

[werd]

I enjoy trading verbal jabs, werd, keeps the Alzheimer's at bay, but you got to come up with your own material, not just turn around what I say. You just proved that Amp fella right.

Doc

I was agreeing with you, that's what I quoted your post and not the  amp fella's

[Freo-1]

i love the finer things in life. (whether or not that's a good thing, i am not sure - that's another discussion.  )  regarding audio, i have been fortunate to experience a lot of the "finer" things.  and, anything w/a digital source ain't it, regardless of price - i know, i have experienced quite a bit.  that's not to say i have experienced everything, but i have yet to experience anything remotely as musical as analog.  it's not denial by choice, it's simple reality due to the medium.  i'd be willing to spend more, but it won't get me anything appreciably better to make it worth it...

doug s.

 
The BEST Audio (I’ve heard) short of live is a current SACD in surround sound played back on something along the lines of a Modwright Oppo connected to a discrete preamp to Class A amps.   
 

Vinyl will never approach that level of realism in reproduction.  (It's physics, after all).   

[Wayner]

Perhaps some folks have a much better vinyl set-up then you have ever heard.

Wayner

[Freo-1]

No, I've heard some VERY expensive setups.  Money alone cannot overcome the various limitations of vinyl.  (I had a pretty good setup before abandoning vinyl).
 
Granted, CD for a lot of years had issues.  However, today’s SACD multi channel media just simply outperforms vinyl in virtually any metric one uses to compare and contrast.  Multi channel (recorded correctly) provides a sense of proportion and realism no two channel recording can achieve.

[Wayner]

You can believe what ever you want, but I'd say that concept you have would be.......wrong.

[corndog71]

I too have heard many expensive systems which varied in success.  It was really surprising how some big name stuff just didn't cut it for me.  I still remember the handful of truly excellent systems.  One was with all tubes and vinyl.  Actually most involved tubes.  I heard an all solid state Linn system that was incredibly life-like.  The first one that really smacked me upside the head was the previously mentioned vinyl sourced system.  It was hands down the best I'd ever heard.  Three dimensional as all hell and with "they are right there performing in front of you" realism.

[SteveFord]

Synergy is the word.
The one digital source that really sounded great to me was ARC's latest tube player.  If I were in a position to buy one, I would but I'm not so I won't.
http://www.audioresearch.com/ReferenceCD8.html

Not exactly cheap and cheerful, though!

[Freo-1]

You can believe what ever you want, but I'd say that concept you have would be.......wrong.

 
Based on what?  It certainly is not actual measurements.  Perhaps you have not heard a properly set up multi channel system (I suspect most folks have not).  No less than J Gordon Holt saw the light some years ago. 
 
As far as being right or wrong, subjective opinions simply do not cut it.  Actual measurements would easily validate the superiority of multi channel SACD.  Most any classical symphony recording of good quality easily will sound better (more dynamics, 3D, soundstage, dynamics, MUCH superior noise floor, etc).  Take Tchaikovsky 6th Symphony, most any Mahler symphony, etc, and the SACD will provide proper dynamics and clarity between the quiet passages and crescendos that vinyl will simply not be able to reproduce without some surface noise, a lack of space, and some compression.  To state otherwise is to vainly attempt to re-define physics in one’s own image.