New kit, Neo-2X

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Danny Richie

Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #100 on: 15 Jul 2008, 04:01 am »
I have had good luck with the clear packing tape.

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #101 on: 15 Jul 2008, 04:03 am »
Cleaning up the adhesive:



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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #102 on: 15 Jul 2008, 04:51 am »


Any tips on making the last bit of a cut with the Jasper circle jig on a plunge router, except to be careful?  When the circle is finally cut through, there is no guide remaining to keep the router cutter in its groove, and it could gouge the outside of the cut, the good part.

Everyone knows when making concentric cuts, like the tweeter cut-out, make the outer cut first, then make the inner cut?  If the inner cut is made first, your center guide is gone!  (I learned this years ago cutting gaskets.)

For what it's worth, I do holes a little bit different way. I cut holes with my Jasper on top of a large scrap of mdf. Just drill a hole the right size for the jasper guide pin, it needs to be tight not loose, pressfit the guide pin into the hole with a small mallet, you want it solid. I also predrill the center guide holes all the way through on whatever baffle piece I am going to make holes in.

To make the hole I insert the pin in one of the predrilled holes in the scrap, set the baffle center hole down over the pin, or you can put the pin in the baffle and press fit it down into the scrap hole, it doesn't matter.

I also have some small ~ 1" wide strips of 1/4" and 3/8" scrap premade (use whatever you want as long as it isn't thicker than whatever you are making holes in). I use them to secure the 4 sides of the baffle to the large mdf bottom board. So what I end up with is basically a "jig" that holds the baffle from moving in any direction, with a pin hole through the hole to be drilled that is securely stuck into the bottom mdf as well. Those scrap pieces are tacked into the large bottom board, not the baffle piece.

You can guess what comes next, you route holes in the normal way (outside to in} more out of habit rather than need. The only thing to keep in mind is that you need to keep the rig/router pressure flat on the outside of the holes and not put pressure on the cutout piece as you make your holes (that cutout isn't very solid after it is no longer attached). This will work if you make the inside hole first then want to make a countersink. I suggest using an appropriate extra scrap round hole piece around the pin to keep the pin from moving, the one leftover from making the hole the first time works good. You can use this method to make countersinks deeper if you need to after you have the holes already made as well. It is important to make sure the baffle does not move at all in relation to the guide pin and that the guide pin also does not move whether there is something holding it or not for this to work.

I should have mentioned that there is nothing "magic" about the jasper pin that comes with the jig, any old drill bit the same size will work for thicker pieces.

There's a lot of experienced folks here so I know I am not the first to do this, but maybe someone reading hadn't thought of it yet. I tried to write it up as clearly as I could so its a bit verbose.  :)

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #103 on: 15 Jul 2008, 12:05 pm »
Regarding keeping the center circle of MDF in place as your router cuts through the last bit, cutting that circle free of the baffle:  I simply use double-sided carpet tape to attach the baffle back side on top of a piece of scrap 3/4" plywood, being sure to have the tape cover the back side of what will become the cutout scrap circle.  When the router cuts the circle free, it stays stuck to the tape and the Jasper jig doesn't waver and cut into the baffle cutout sides.  I hope that's clear :?

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #104 on: 18 Jul 2008, 02:49 am »
GRILLS - I called Danny today to share my PE/UPS fiasco:  3 baffles shipped second day delivery, all three had one corner smashed.  PE packed loose with not enough protection.  I asked Danny if he had warned people that the PE grills will not fit on the cabs of the Neo-2X's because the mid woof is so large, and the tweet faceplate also blocks the grill top.  The answer is extending the grills with four 1/4" dia x 1/4" long neodymium magnets - the ones I use to imbed in baffles and grills.  Place four on the grill corners, then the grill snaps on the baffle.  If you don't want grills, then no problem, but if you do, you'll need to either use magnets or space the grills away from the baffles via another method - maybe short pieces of dowels glued to the grill corners and a piece of hook and loop fastener glued to the end with the corresponding hook or loop piece glued to the face of the grill bolt heads.

Here are photos of the PE/UPS damage:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?action=gallery;area=browse;album=1514

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #105 on: 18 Jul 2008, 06:02 pm »
Hi guys,
2 questions about the neo 2x.  I intend to place those on a shelf unit. With other speaker the shelf unit is resonant.
I do not think it will be better with the neo 2x, but space and size problem are leading me to the neo2. Since the place is fixed, do you have a better suggestion? any other model (about same size)?

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #106 on: 18 Jul 2008, 08:09 pm »
Hi guys,
2 questions about the neo 2x.  I intend to place those on a shelf unit. With other speaker the shelf unit is resonant.
Consider Herbie's Big Fat Dots to isolate the speakers from the shelf.  Herbie is very good about honoring their 90 day return policy.  Two "Bigs" and one "Medium" under the PE curved cabinet should work well.

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #107 on: 18 Jul 2008, 08:15 pm »
Ccape,
First, do you have a picture of the shelf? Perhaps we can treat the resonance problem then focus on the speaker isolation. I'd be happy to have a look at your situation. Also, if you are stuck with the location, I'd be inclined to mount these on the wall "at" the shelf on an articulating mount from PE. Eliminating the coupling of the units to the shelf could go a long way, no?

Eric

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X "Traveling Router Templates"
« Reply #108 on: 18 Jul 2008, 08:23 pm »
Hey guys,
I notice many of you have routers and are going for it with the Jasper jigs. I did this for a while before CNC land. Some folks are more apt at it that others.

So, here's a thought for you: what if I made you a couple of baltic birch "traveling" plywood templates to pass around? You could simply place a router collar and a straight bit in the router (could even pass the collar around), double stick (carpet) tape the template to your baffle and away you go... Anyone want to play? I'll do it for the shipping, and a promise from all that it would be diligently shared... and the karma.

Eric




Any tips on making the last bit of a cut with the Jasper circle jig on a plunge router, except to be careful?  When the circle is finally cut through, there is no guide remaining to keep the router cutter in its groove, and it could gouge the outside of the cut, the good part.

Everyone knows when making concentric cuts, like the tweeter cut-out, make the outer cut first, then make the inner cut?  If the inner cut is made first, your center guide is gone!  (I learned this years ago cutting gaskets.)

For what it's worth, I do holes a little bit different way. I cut holes with my Jasper on top of a large scrap of mdf. Just drill a hole the right size for the jasper guide pin, it needs to be tight not loose, pressfit the guide pin into the hole with a small mallet, you want it solid. I also predrill the center guide holes all the way through on whatever baffle piece I am going to make holes in.

To make the hole I insert the pin in one of the predrilled holes in the scrap, set the baffle center hole down over the pin, or you can put the pin in the baffle and press fit it down into the scrap hole, it doesn't matter.

I also have some small ~ 1" wide strips of 1/4" and 3/8" scrap premade (use whatever you want as long as it isn't thicker than whatever you are making holes in). I use them to secure the 4 sides of the baffle to the large mdf bottom board. So what I end up with is basically a "jig" that holds the baffle from moving in any direction, with a pin hole through the hole to be drilled that is securely stuck into the bottom mdf as well. Those scrap pieces are tacked into the large bottom board, not the baffle piece.

You can guess what comes next, you route holes in the normal way (outside to in} more out of habit rather than need. The only thing to keep in mind is that you need to keep the rig/router pressure flat on the outside of the holes and not put pressure on the cutout piece as you make your holes (that cutout isn't very solid after it is no longer attached). This will work if you make the inside hole first then want to make a countersink. I suggest using an appropriate extra scrap round hole piece around the pin to keep the pin from moving, the one leftover from making the hole the first time works good. You can use this method to make countersinks deeper if you need to after you have the holes already made as well. It is important to make sure the baffle does not move at all in relation to the guide pin and that the guide pin also does not move whether there is something holding it or not for this to work.

I should have mentioned that there is nothing "magic" about the jasper pin that comes with the jig, any old drill bit the same size will work for thicker pieces.

There's a lot of experienced folks here so I know I am not the first to do this, but maybe someone reading hadn't thought of it yet. I tried to write it up as clearly as I could so its a bit verbose.  :)


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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #109 on: 19 Jul 2008, 06:44 pm »
Would the length of the router bit be long enough so the added height of the circle pattern still allows a through-cut?  The PE front baffles are about as thick as my router & bit can handle.

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #110 on: 19 Jul 2008, 09:00 pm »
There are other bits to use, but, the way I like to do it is cut as far through as you can, then flip it over, drill a hole through and use a flush trim bit to finish the hole. Then a roundover bit  to open it up on the inside. Hope this helps.

Eric

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #111 on: 21 Jul 2008, 03:06 am »
I just finished my NEO-2X speakers, and they sound GREAT.

Assembly of the speakers conformed to Shelton's two Laws of the Universe---nothing is as easy as it looks, and most half-hour jobs take ninety minutes.  Anyway, the assembly went well with no bloopers I couldn't either fix or hide.

I like the way the speakers sound.  The break-in is interesting.  As the drivers loosen, or whatever they do, they sound better and better.  A piano sounds like a piano.  A violin sounds like a violin.  A blues guitar sounds like I imagine a guitar sounds in a Mississippi juke joint.  Imaging is good.  On orchestral pieces the string basses sound like they're behind the violas and cellos.  The speakers these will replace were OK except unpleasant playing massed strings.  These NEOs are always pleasant, enjoyable, really, really good, and never tiring to listen to for a few hours at a time.  Thanks, Danny.

By the way, I'm enjoying using these speakers with music from my new Sony XDR-F1HD tuner ($50 after the rebate).  I like HD FM.  The local classical station uses both halves of the HD channel for more bandwidth and greater fidelity.

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #112 on: 21 Jul 2008, 01:18 pm »
what speakers did you own prior? any pics of the neo?

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #113 on: 21 Jul 2008, 05:11 pm »
Optichammer:
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So, here's a thought for you

What about you CNC-ing PE baffles?  People could send you their baffles after receiving their PE cabinets.

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #114 on: 21 Jul 2008, 06:11 pm »
Hank,

Great idea.  I think it would be a great "pay it forward" type of self-less and generous act.

Now if Optichammer views it that way, I'm sure he would make several other wantabe DIYers happy.   aa

Peace,
Lou

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #115 on: 21 Jul 2008, 06:17 pm »
what speakers did you own prior? any pics of the neo?
The brand of the prior speakers isn't important...they're Internet-sold Chinese speakers that cost less than half the cost of the NEO kit and are very good for the cost...but not good enough.  I'll offer them on craigslist for $200.  They'll make a non-audiophile music listener or DVD viewer very happy.

My NEOs look just like Danny's, and my photography isn't as good as his.  I didn't make any bloopers big enough to see---- :|

And they're sounding better and better by the day.  I glad I got them.  Now, I need to get around to building my Rythmik/GR-Research subwoofer sandbox.

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #116 on: 22 Jul 2008, 05:39 pm »
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I think it would be a great "pay it forward" type of self-less and generous act.

Now Lou, I wasn't implying that Optichammer do it for free  :nono:  I bet guys without a router, or people like me who have never routed a painted surface and screwed up two baffles so far (don't ask :oops:), would pay a reasonable price.

Danny Richie

Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #117 on: 22 Jul 2008, 05:46 pm »
Hank,

Just repair and repaint the baffles. They are too shinny anyway. A flat Black matches the drivers much better.

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #118 on: 22 Jul 2008, 06:02 pm »
Hank,

You are absolutely correct. I didn’t mean to imply you or anyone else would do this activity for free.  The fact someone would offer to do this task for others is the point I was trying to make.  Over at AV123 a guy (Kurt) wanted outriggers for a pair of his floorstanding speakers, so he did all the legwork and ended up having several pairs made to offer at a very reasonable price.  I view his efforts as being self-less and generous because of all the work Kurt did in getting the project planned and completed so others could enjoy the fruits of his labor.

As far as the glitches to the baffle goes, I'm sure you will solve it and pass on your findings to others. 

Danny's suggestion sounds doable as long as the repaired chipped areas are not noticeable after re-painting.

Peace,
Lou

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Re: New kit, Neo-2X
« Reply #119 on: 23 Jul 2008, 03:49 am »
I will actually be re-designing a version of the A/V-3S and A/V-3 using this new deep back cup Neo 3 pdr.

So having matching fronts will be no problem.

Hi Danny, any update on this A/V-3S redesign with the Neo 3 pdr?  I (finally) finished my Neo-2X kit (very happy with the results) and now can't wait to build the matching center channel and sub!