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Re: FOR SALE: ZU DEFINITION PRO speakers
« Reply #40 on: 21 Jul 2007, 01:09 pm »
Well my Audiogon ad has over 1700 hits in 20 days and no offers. I have to conclude that the Defs are not well known enough to attract a buyer because god knows they are speaker enough to improve anybody's system.

It's a lot of money, of course, but audiophiles peel off this many skins everyday for other products. The Defs  are not formally endorsed by any paid reviewers or glossy audio pinup publications that I know about, but that simply means that Zu is spending their money on the product rather than buying it an undeserved or underdeserved reputation.

My price represents a high percentage of the retail list compared to what commodity speakers commonly fetch in this hobby, however, you must bear in mind that these are a rare and seriously underpriced high end uber performer. There is very little else at any price that will outperform them. Personally I do not know of any speaker at any price which is clearly better. I'm planning to purchase Zu Definition 2 speakers which are pretty much a marriage of the original Def 1.5 and the Def Pro with the advantages of the Def Pro and the added versatility of having a plate amp on board. Basically, Zu offered the Def Pro to certain committed customers because it was better. Rather than offer it publicly at a higher price, they just sold it as an insider item not advertised on their website. The Def 2 is an option for you at $11,000 or you can get almost the same thing for $7500 obo. by buying mine.

The Zu Druid has always been controversial because of mistakes in setup and because it was consistently attacked by people who had never seen or heard it in the Agon forums. Add to that the fact that it has a direct, frank, unvarnished, slightly colored and toe-tappingly infectious presentation, and you get a speaker that gets talked about. And it sells like crazy both new and used.

The only issue that might prevent anyone from getting awesome results with Definitions is the need to sit about 9 or 10 feet back from the front plane of the drivers in order for the two full range drivers to focus properly. My room is 15 by 22 and I sit back about 11 feet from the Defs. The speakers are about 12 inches from the front wall and toed in slightly. This puts the front baffle 2 feet from the wall. I drive them with a Red Wine Audio Signature 30 amplifier for the front array. The preamp outs of the RWA then feed my Rane EQ and go on to my Crown K-2 bass amp which drives the eight 10" professional woofers. The Rane does not effect anything above 50 hz. in my system. It is there only to contour the bass signal to your room. These speakers can be made to reproduce 16 hz. very naturally. The bass is utterly effortless and, as Srajan says, "out of this world".

With this set-up you can get within arguing distance of the best in the world for less money than you currently have tied up in your rig. Isn't that at all tempting?

miklorsmith

Re: FOR SALE: ZU DEFINITION PRO speakers
« Reply #41 on: 21 Jul 2007, 02:52 pm »
Yep, very tempting!  I'll take 'em!! Wait, I don't think the wife would allow another pair in the house.   :D

You forgot full SET compatibility without horns and that single-driver sound but without all the normal setbacks.  This is a completely bandwidth-unlimited solution that can easily be powered on 1 watt.  The integration of front-to-back drivers can be dialed in Completely with the EQ.  Whether they're "better" than anything at any price is debatable, i.e. you could certainly make a case for them.  However it is indisputable that they have strengths that easily play in world class circles.

jhm731

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« Reply #42 on: 21 Jul 2007, 05:10 pm »
Well my Audiogon ad has over 1700 hits in 20 days and no offers. I have to conclude that the Defs are not well known enough to attract a buyer because god knows they are speaker enough to improve anybody's system.

It's a lot of money, of course, but audiophiles peel off this many skins everyday for other products. The Defs  are not formally endorsed by any paid reviewers or glossy audio pinup publications that I know about, but that simply means that Zu is spending their money on the product rather than buying it an undeserved or underdeserved reputation.

My price represents a high percentage of the retail list compared to what commodity speakers commonly fetch in this hobby, however, you must bear in mind that these are a rare and seriously underpriced high end uber performer. There is very little else at any price that will outperform them. Personally I do not know of any speaker at any price which is clearly better. I'm planning to purchase Zu Definition 2 speakers which are pretty much a marriage of the original Def 1.5 and the Def Pro with the advantages of the Def Pro and the added versatility of having a plate amp on board. Basically, Zu offered the Def Pro to certain committed customers because it was better. Rather than offer it publicly at a higher price, they just sold it as an insider item not advertised on their website. The Def 2 is an option for you at $11,000 or you can get almost the same thing for $7500 obo. by buying mine.

The Zu Druid has always been controversial because of mistakes in setup and because it was consistently attacked by people who had never seen or heard it in the Agon forums. Add to that the fact that it has a direct, frank, unvarnished, slightly colored and toe-tappingly infectious presentation, and you get a speaker that gets talked about. And it sells like crazy both new and used.

The only issue that might prevent anyone from getting awesome results with Definitions is the need to sit about 9 or 10 feet back from the front plane of the drivers in order for the two full range drivers to focus properly. My room is 15 by 22 and I sit back about 11 feet from the Defs. The speakers are about 12 inches from the front wall and toed in slightly. This puts the front baffle 2 feet from the wall. I drive them with a Red Wine Audio Signature 30 amplifier for the front array. The preamp outs of the RWA then feed my Rane EQ and go on to my Crown K-2 bass amp which drives the eight 10" professional woofers. The Rane does not effect anything above 50 hz. in my system. It is there only to contour the bass signal to your room. These speakers can be made to reproduce 16 hz. very naturally. The bass is utterly effortless and, as Srajan says, "out of this world".

With this set-up you can get within arguing distance of the best in the world for less money than you currently have tied up in your rig. Isn't that at all tempting?

Seems like the pending introduction of the Definition Mk.2 might be hurting you.

Good luck.

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Re: FOR SALE: ZU DEFINITION PRO speakers
« Reply #43 on: 21 Jul 2007, 08:07 pm »
HERE YA GO, 5K INCLUDING RANE/CROWN :duh: :lol: :thumb:

2bigears

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« Reply #44 on: 21 Jul 2007, 08:14 pm »
:D gotta be the weekend????  :o

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« Reply #45 on: 21 Jul 2007, 11:53 pm »
jhm731 - Could be hurting but I think not. Definitions are usually only purchased by people in the know and those people would be able to see the advantage in saving $3500 or better. Its easier to keep these than to pack them up and start with new ones but like everybody else, I like new stuff.

alotaklipsch - It is pitiful seeing you out there with your nose pressed against the glass so I'll offer to sell you my old JBL L-200. They are in wonderful condition and they come from one of the companies that Klipsch attempted to imitate. You don't seem ready for 21st century speakers and history says not to take you seriously. What about it -- are you in the market for speakers?

2bigears - I don't get the joke about the weekend. Please explain.

2bigears

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« Reply #46 on: 22 Jul 2007, 03:08 am »
:D Tom,just a weekend lowball crack saying in a joking mode of course.i can't understand why these have not sold yet?? i thought more people knew Zu and what they can do.Ops,[that wasn't supose to happen]?the list is long on a 10k brand buy speaker purchase and it also depends on application to the system.i wonder how many sets of Def's Zu has sold and where have they gone.the pro's are 300 bucks more than reg Def's and i would think,money well spent.might be the time of the year and your price may be a weee bit high side.the first buyer always takes a low blow.i have the reg Defs and up here in Canada i bet i would have a hard time getting 5 grand for them.1700 hits is a lot.those Vandy 5a's sold in one hour yesterday at about half price.buyers are still out there.i like the 1.5's and am still in the hunt for a good low power amp that will sing. :D

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« Reply #47 on: 22 Jul 2007, 05:43 am »
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those Vandy 5a's sold in one hour yesterday at about half price....
Price and location sold them....half off list...and located in Manhattan (NYC).

Now back to selling the Zu's..... :thumb:

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« Reply #48 on: 22 Jul 2007, 09:02 pm »
For all of the things I have sold on Audiogon, there have been just a couple (Modwright and Ayre) that I sold for more than 50 percent of retail.  These two items were priced at a much lower retail price, and had the customer base to quickly attract a buyer. 

For all other items I sold, I found that there were lots of hits, but I did not get even a single offer until I lowered my price to a level that the potenial buyers felt they could make an offer.  So I think price plays a big factor, and how much you are willing to accept in order to fuel your next audio purchase.  Unless you are willing to do price drops every few days until you hit the sweet spot, or the right buyer comes along, I would just sit back and enjoy what you have.

2bigears

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« Reply #49 on: 22 Jul 2007, 09:14 pm »
:D first owner always takes the hit,sad but true.used gear is sooo sweet to buy!! :D ----kinda like a wedding dress.......
« Last Edit: 22 Jul 2007, 09:33 pm by 2bigears »

GregC

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« Reply #50 on: 22 Jul 2007, 09:18 pm »
True.  I usually take a very small hit (or even make a couple bucks) when I buy used and sell.  Otherwise if I am the first buyer I know I will take big hit if I decide to sell, unless the gear is moderately priced in the first place.

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« Reply #51 on: 22 Jul 2007, 09:43 pm »
You guys are right about the resale of most audio products. The exceptions are those that are rare and desirable, old and collectible and high value, factory direct stuff like Red Wine Audio and Zu. I remember watching every Modwright preamp sell for $1700 within hours of its posting at a time when "retail" was $2200.
But when there is no dealer, there is no discounting because there is no dealer margin to be sacrificed and no accommodation purchases to drive the resale down. Add to that the fact that my Definitions are dream speakers and the only pair in the world for sale in the last month.

The Def Pros are very rare and very highly regarded but they are too pricey for a lot of audiophiles.

When I was in the oriental rug biz many years ago, I had lunch with an Afghani rug dealer who told me about a saying in his country, "alas those who can appreciate it, can't afford it, and those who can afford it, can't appreciate it". That second bunch buys Wilson.

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« Reply #52 on: 22 Jul 2007, 11:00 pm »
You're trying to sell everything for NINE THOUSAND DOLLARS. For $9k I can buy a really nice complete audio rig AND a used car or motorcycle plus have money left over for a really nice vacation. Or for that matter, where I live $9k is a decent down payment on a HOUSE. THAT'S WHY THEY HAVEN'T SOLD YET. This hobby has twisted what many of us consider value for the dollar. There I said it after almost a month of looking at this thread and will shut up now...

2bigears

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« Reply #53 on: 22 Jul 2007, 11:21 pm »
come on Eric,a good used Harley is 15k at least.then off to the bike rally.but you are right and did make me lol.thks  :lol:

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« Reply #54 on: 22 Jul 2007, 11:59 pm »
Two days ago an AC member paid $8200 for a pair of speakers instead of going for all the prizes on ETR's list. People do that all the time. It is all about perceived value and that is driven by many things. The biggest problem here is the list price and the selling price are not far enough apart to trigger anybody's bargain reflex.

I know more about what I'm selling than any of you critics do but I already bought them so, of course, I cannot serve as the customer I seek. I need someone else to step up who holds these speakers as high as I do.

Nowhere in my AC ad or my Audiogon ad will you see the word firm. I have included a phone number so you can call me if you want to discuss price.

And lastly, I'm sure many of you have cars that you bought for $30K or more. Just imagine all the stuff you could buy with that money if you drove a $1000 junker instead. It's all in how you prioritize your spending. If you are serious about putting together the best system you can, then the Definitions are a short cut to the top. If they had a $45,000 list price and I offered them at $7500 you'd be fighting each other to buy them.

Put your focus on what you are getting instead of what I am getting.

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« Reply #55 on: 23 Jul 2007, 12:07 am »

 So I think price plays a big factor, and how much you are willing to accept in order to fuel your next audio purchase.  Unless you are willing to do price drops every few days until you hit the sweet spot, or the right buyer comes along, I would just sit back and enjoy what you have.

Greg:

You are so right on - this has been my experience as well.

smargo

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Re: FOR SALE: ZU DEFINITION PRO speakers
« Reply #56 on: 23 Jul 2007, 12:57 am »
$9k will get me a different hooker in Vegas every night for a month  :green:

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« Reply #57 on: 23 Jul 2007, 01:04 am »
I like to read this thread because it is so humourous :lol:
lot of wit here

I know someone is trying to sell a pair of speakers here, but the posts are truly fun indeed :thumb:

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« Reply #58 on: 23 Jul 2007, 02:03 am »
That will make you Eric the VERY Red. Your 'll get excellent odds in Vegas on your chances of picking up an STD. I swear my speakers are clean and disease free and they don't have any ports to tempt you.
Also, you should look into finding hookers where you live if everything else is so much cheaper there.

Topround - I'm glad you are enjoying this little frolic. I was told in advance not to expect to sell these on AC. So I'm not disappointed in the responses. I'm sorry that Zu doesn't provoke more reverence from this group but wadaya gonna do? The idea of the speakers and the frequent outcome of these posts is fun. So lets live it up being silly about each others goofy notions and sell the speakers on Audiogon.

One of the things I noticed long ago about selling products is the audience pyramid. At the base we have zero dollars at the point where everyone is a prospect. As we move vertically through the core of the pyramid we increase our price until we reach infinity. At whatever point you take a cross section of the pyramid, you will have a smaller base than you had at the next lower price. In other words, the more dollars involved in the sale, the fewer eligible prospects you can hope to encounter. I'm guessing from what I've been told that only a handful of Acers buy speakers at this level. And apparently they all like what they have. Another squadron has learned to recite Von Schwieckert, or Tyler, or Vandersteen and they will continue to move at a steady pace droning those names until the magazines retrain them.

The state of hi-fi today has become positively stupid. Too much emphasis is placed on cosmetics and commodity trading and far too little on actual performance. If it is really "all about the music", why not focus on the music and get off the bandwagon. Nothing else recreates male vocals like Zu. You hear a lot of chatter about female vocals but whose got the goods to excel in reproducing the male voice?

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Re: FOR SALE: ZU DEFINITION PRO speakers
« Reply #59 on: 23 Jul 2007, 03:06 am »
Nothing else recreates male vocals like Zu. You hear a lot of chatter about female vocals but whose got the goods to excel in reproducing the male voice?

Macrojack - gimme a break about the zu and male vocals - i have heard a few speakers that sound wonderful on male vocals - the zu does not have exclusive rights to it -


smargo