[geezer]

Hey, I was about to say sorry until I read your snippy last line.  Anyway, fanboy was posting some tripe about how this is the consumer's fault or the victim's fault because they didn't know how to drive.  His post was SPECIFIC to the Toyota problem.  You chimed in that "there is something in what you say".  You can hopefully understand why I lumped you in with the other fanboys, even thought you seem to be level headed.  Sorry if I misinterpreted your message.

More news is coming to light regarding what Toyota may have know and what was covered up.  I wonder what the Fanboys are going to say if Toyota did in fact knowingly sell defective cars?   Will they just tell the families of the dead and injured people too bad, you are at fault?  Will they feel the govt is "picking" on Toyota? 

It's looking more and more like Toyota screwed up and tried to lie and cover up their actions.  This is why Mr. Toyo was crying like a little schoolgirl when he testified (IMO of course).  If they are guilty, it will be the biggest auto related pile of you know what a company has ever stepped in.  Like I said, if this was Ford or GM, the same appologists and fanboys on this thread would be singing a different tune about why they drive a Toyota.  What a joke. 

Cheers,

J

Well, since you won't say sorry, I will. Sorry.

[Wind Chaser]

Hey, I was about to say sorry until I read your snippy last line.  Anyway, fanboy

You really get off on calling people fanboys.  What's up with that, Jack?

[macrojack]

Jackman - You come off like the biggest mouth in the locker room. It's too bad your personality overrides your mostly useful contributions.
The "fanboy" pejorative and mocking tone don't elevate you - they alienate everyone else, including anyone who happens to share your point of view.
Most of the comments you have taken exception to, were only offered as counterbalance to your deliberately exaggerated position.
American automakers would have been buried 30 to 40 odd years ago if not for the intervention of the U.S. Govt. Harley came even closer to elimination for similar reasons.

For me, this is not my car against your car. Why do you insist on framing it that way? I've owned a lot of different cars in my day and Toyota has treated me better than any other brand. That's a personal testimonial. I'm not trying to sell you a Toyota and I don't know if I'll ever buy another one. I do, however, sense some sort of campaign going down on your part.
You seem to have a vendetta against Toyota and a strong wish to see them suffer or fail. 

And your self-righteous mourning for those who have been slain at the hands of the evil Toyota is disingenuous and insulting. Thousands more have died in cars due to texting, drinking, failing to maintain safe vehicles, or having to live in their car in freezing temps because they lost their job at GM.

[jackman]

Jackman - You come off like the biggest mouth in the locker room. It's too bad your personality overrides your mostly useful contributions.
The "fanboy" pejorative and mocking tone don't elevate you - they alienate everyone else, including anyone who happens to share your point of view.
Most of the comments you have taken exception to, were only offered as counterbalance to your deliberately exaggerated position.
American automakers would have been buried 30 to 40 odd years ago if not for the intervention of the U.S. Govt. Harley came even closer to elimination for similar reasons.

For me, this is not my car against your car. Why do you insist on framing it that way? I've owned a lot of different cars in my day and Toyota has treated me better than any other brand. That's a personal testimonial. I'm not trying to sell you a Toyota and I don't know if I'll ever buy another one. I do, however, sense some sort of campaign going down on your part.
You seem to have a vendetta against Toyota and a strong wish to see them suffer or fail. 

And your self-righteous mourning for those who have been slain at the hands of the evil Toyota is disingenuous and insulting. Thousands more have died in cars due to texting, drinking, failing to maintain safe vehicles, or having to live in their car in freezing temps because they lost their job at GM.

Fanboy #1   

[jackman]

Well, since you won't say sorry, I will. Sorry.

Hey, there was a sorry in my post. I just wanted to see if you were reading posts since you gave out the advice (to always read posts before responding).

 

[geezer]

Hey, there was a sorry in my post. I just wanted to see if you were reading posts since you gave out the advice (to always read posts before responding).

 

Mea culpa.

[pjchappy]

Keep it cool, guys.  Things are a little looser in The Pub, but there are still no personal attacks allowed. 

Sorry I'm just getting to this now, but I've basically been offline for a few days.


Paul

[Bemopti123]

Asides from all you guys name calling each other, have you noticed that the rep from Toyota just last week announced somehow magically that this mechanical pedal fix might not really guarantee that it will prevent unintended acceleration.  FF, just a couple of days ago, the TAA said that there were 12 more claims of unintended acceleration from people who already had this mechanical fix done. 

Regardless of what Toyota management might be saying, that it is not the electronic throttle module, it might be it. 

1 million out of the recalled 6 million have had this metal reinforcements, perhaps to no effect.  Toyota is in deep doo doo. 

[jackman]

Asides from all you guys name calling each other, have you noticed that the rep from Toyota just last week announced somehow magically that this mechanical pedal fix might not really guarantee that it will prevent unintended acceleration.  FF, just a couple of days ago, the TAA said that there were 12 more claims of unintended acceleration from people who already had this mechanical fix done. 

Regardless of what Toyota management might be saying, that it is not the electronic throttle module, it might be it. 

1 million out of the recalled 6 million have had this metal reinforcements, perhaps to no effect.  Toyota is in deep doo doo.

It appears Toyota has not been forthcoming with information on their testing of the sudden acceleration issue and the Govt. has received "more than 60 complaints from Toyota owners who had their vehicles fixed following the recalls but say they've had more problems with their vehicles surging forward unintentionally."   

I hope this reporting of the facts does not offend any of our more sensitive Toyota enthusiasts.  Their loyalty is commendable and I wish them all the best and, above all, encourage every Toyota owner to drive safely (preferably with one foot on the gas and the other on the brake pedal).  It might not be a bad idea to wear a helmet on long trips, at least until this acceleration issue is sorted out. 

Sudden acceleration on cars that have been "fixed"?  Sounds like Toyota has some splainin' to do...(see attached). 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100305/ap_on_bi_ge/us_toyota_recall

[Scottdazzle]

I have a 2010 Prius with the ABS problem.  Briefly, the problem is that when you slam on the brakes there is a moment when the brakes stop working before the ABS kicks in.  It doesn't sound like much but it's scary when it happens and you could slam into the car in front of you if you are following too close.  I got the recall repair done in 1 hour (great service) and went on my merry way.  Well, it happened again.  My conclusion is that the recall repair on the Prius brakes does not work.

[Bemopti123]

I have a 2010 Prius with the ABS problem.  Briefly, the problem is that when you slam on the brakes there is a moment when the brakes stop working before the ABS kicks in.  It doesn't sound like much but it's scary when it happens and you could slam into the car in front of you if you are following too close.  I got the recall repair done in 1 hour (great service) and went on my merry way.  Well, it happened again.  My conclusion is that the recall repair on the Prius brakes does not work.

What? 

See a major law suit by those affected and also, by all those people who are losing value in their Toyotas due to these media exposure. 

It is scary to think that even Toyota engineers cannot get this things figured out..but also I blame this on the over reliance of technological wizardry to run even the simplest systems.  I can imagine the unbelievably complex nature of these micro circuits and the impossibility of pointing out what components are not working properly.  I doubt is is a simple issue of replacing defective software, if it was as easy as that. 

[jackman]

I have a 2010 Prius with the ABS problem.  Briefly, the problem is that when you slam on the brakes there is a moment when the brakes stop working before the ABS kicks in.  It doesn't sound like much but it's scary when it happens and you could slam into the car in front of you if you are following too close.  I got the recall repair done in 1 hour (great service) and went on my merry way.  Well, it happened again.  My conclusion is that the recall repair on the Prius brakes does not work.

Scott, I was half joking with my posts on this thread but I've read a couple accounts from drivers and it's pretty scary stuff. Slamming into the car in front of you is bad but a similar brake failure on a mountain road, busy intersection or a railroad crossing could be fatal.  I hope you are able to get this resolved soon.

Cheers,

Jack

[jackman]

Here is another scary story from today's news.  I'm not trying to pick on Toyota but it would be interesting to hear what all of the loyal Toyota enthusiasts have to say about the latest news.  Several people who have had their cars "fixed" are complaining about the same problems (sudden acceleration) continuing to happen.  Do you still feel Toyota is being treated unfairly and that the media should just stay quiet and accept Toyota's assurances that the problem has been fixed, dispite some evidence to the contrary? 

The attached link from today's news.  A lucky (to be alive) driver and his out of control - and deceptively speedy - Prius. 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_runaway_prius

 

[mfsoa]

I'm wondering about the truthfulness of this latest episode.

Just after getting his sudden accelation repair claim rejected by his dealer, he happens to experience sudden acceleration and just happens to be able to make a cell phone call to let everyone know he's in trouble.

My guess is he just might happen to sue Toyota. 

Not sayin' it's not true, but something smells fishy to me. We'll see if there's more to this than meets the back bumper of a State Trooper...

-Mike

[jackman]

I'm wondering about the truthfulness of this latest episode.

Just after getting his sudden accelation repair claim rejected by his dealer, he happens to experience sudden acceleration and just happens to be able to make a cell phone call to let everyone know he's in trouble.

My guess is he just might happen to sue Toyota. 

Not sayin' it's not true, but something smells fishy to me. We'll see if there's more to this than meets the back bumper of a State Trooper...

-Mike

Maybe you are right, this whole thing could be some well crafted conspiracy.  I smell an Oliver Stone movie in the works!  Everyone is trying to cash in!  They are even making teeshirts about this with Toyota's new slogan for goodness sakes. 





Cheers,

J

[Charles Calkins]

Seems like Toyota cars have become a computer on rolling wheels. We all know that once in a while computers get glitches. I'm sure Toyota is doing their best to get their"Computers"fixed. Hope it's sooner than later. Damn scary when the "Computer" goes into runaway mode.

                                              Cheers
                                              Charlie

[ctviggen]

I think all cars are basically like computers on wheels.  My 2001 Saab 9-3 even controls the turn signals through the ECU (engine control unit).  I have a "fly by wire" system, too, although my brake pedal is a direct connect to the brake system. 

By contrast, my 1987 Jeep aka Heep is much less computer oriented.  I have a cable that runs from my accelerator to a spring-loaded system for changing the amount of fuel into the engine.  The turn signals have a circuit that causes the turn signals to turn on/off and that's totally separate from the ECU.

It's hard to know what's really the cause of sudden acceleration in Toyotas.  They just haven't done a great job of being forthright, but some or all of that may be the Japanese mentality.  Unfortunately, it doesn't translate well into the U.S.

[srb]

Seems like Toyota cars have become a computer on rolling wheels.

You mean, "seems like cars have become a computer on rolling wheels".  In that respect, I don't think Toyota is any different.  The majority of cars use computers for ABS braking systems, fuel management, active suspension, etc.
 
Reminds me of a single frame newspaper comic where the old grizzly mechanic with fat belly hanging out and chest hair spilling out of the top of his greasy, torn T-shirt says to his helper, "Hand me a crowbar and one of them microprocessors".
 
Steve

[Bob in St. Louis]

We all know that once in a while computers get glitches. ........snip........Damn scary when the "Computer" goes into runaway mode.

Which is why it's such a bad idea to remove the metal steering shaft from the steering wheel and replace it with sensors and electric motors. 
They'll never learn. 

Bob

[nature boy]

How about that guy in CA yesterday whose car accelerated until a trooper pulled in front to help him stop. 

My wife said he received a recall notice from Toyota and took the car into the dealership, the dealership said his model was not affected.  Duh!

Looks like the class action lawsuit forthcoming will to nothing to help the image of once venerable Toyota.  Good reputations and commitment to quality are hard to build but yet easy to lose.  BTW, Consumer Reports is no longer recommending purchase of many Toyota models due to brake and gas pedal issues.

NB