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Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #300 on: 14 Mar 2010, 08:50 pm »
Can i borrow it on the weekends?  :lol:

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« Reply #302 on: 14 Mar 2010, 10:52 pm »
THose are cool.
I like the one that says "The beatings will continue until Bob gets his way".  :lol:

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Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #303 on: 15 Mar 2010, 07:01 pm »
Hey AC People!

I know that I've been kind've a pain and a bit of a P word (rymes with Rick) on this thread but out of fairness, I need to add the following.  The guy in California with the recent, highly publicised, Prius accident appears to be "less than truthful" in his account of the events.  The recent Prius crash looks like a hoax to me, and more importantly to the authorities, and the guy behind it looks shady. 

After reading his account of the events, it's hard to believe his version of the story.  If this is investigated and he is found guilty, I'm totally in favor of Toyo suing him for damages and believe he should do some time for fraud.  Not saying every case is made-up but the ones that are should be prosecuted and the people behind them should have to pay for their dishonesty.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_runaway_prius

UPDATE: Toyota is having a press conference on this one. I am at work and unable to see but I'm certain a sophisticated car like the Prius has controls to tell if the guy was pressing down on the gas and brake pedals.  What an idiot!  They will be able to confirm that he made the whole thing up to get $$$. 

It's ironic that he stopped his car by rear-ending a cop car and someday soon the cops will take him to jail where he will be rear-ended by his cellmates.   :lol:

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« Reply #304 on: 15 Mar 2010, 08:20 pm »
This may be a story but my Toyota salesman told me that this guy is $700,000 in debt and 7 months behind on his Prius payments so Toyota repo-ed his car. Since this has not been repeated anywhere else that I am aware of, and the source was clearly motivated to sell me my Prius, we have to consider the "news" potentially tainted.

In any case, if Sikes does go down for this one, perhaps the me-too claims and piling on will cease. There's surely a problem here but Toyota has sold maybe 20 million cars in the last five years. The percentage of serious consequences has been pretty small.

Out here in Colorado, Glenwood Canyon was buried by a horrific rain of boulders a week ago.  Rocks as large as a semi truck crashed through the elevated roadway. One hole is 20 feet by 10 feet. 17 miles of Interstate 70 were closed in both directions. People who needed to travel through there for work had 200 miles added to their commute. Fortunately this occurred around midnight on a Sunday, but for a highway that carries 35,000 vehicles a day, it is amazing that no one was hurt. Not even a Toyota driver. Shit happens. It always has. The best any of us can do is play the percentages. The percentages with Toyota are no worse than with anything else. When your number is up, you're going.

As a footnote, prices are very good on a used Prius right now because so many are so scared. If you can see past the panic, there's a deal waiting for you.
The combination of this big scare and people trading in their current Prius for a 2010 have made Gen 2 units pretty cheap. And the car is incredible.

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Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #305 on: 15 Mar 2010, 08:20 pm »
I just don't see what the big deal is about these run away cars, all Toyota has to do in install a 30A breaker on the dash and paint it safety orange. ($75 from Digikey).




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« Reply #306 on: 15 Mar 2010, 08:27 pm »
I just don't see what the big deal is about these run away cars, all Toyota has to do in install a 30A breaker on the dash and paint it safety orange. ($75 from Digikey).




Sort of like an ignition switch?

I don't understand why none of these people were smart enough to put the vehicle in neutral. Turning off the ignition switch has the disadvantage of also killing the power steering and I suppose there are some people out there who are too weak to turn the steering wheel without it. Putting it in neutral doesn't have that problem - at least until the engine breaks if there's no rev limiter.




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« Reply #307 on: 15 Mar 2010, 08:30 pm »
Hey AC People!

I know that I've been kind've a pain and a bit of a P word (rymes with Rick) on this thread but out of fairness, I need to add the following.  The guy in California with the recent, highly publicised, Prius accident appears to be "less than truthful" in his account of the events.  The recent Prius crash looks like a hoax to me, and more importantly to the authorities, and the guy behind it looks shady. 

It's ironic that he stopped his car by rear-ending a cop car and someday soon the cops will take him to jail where he will be rear-ended by his cellmates.   :lol:

Reminds me of the people who claim to find a rat/mouse/finger/toe/glass in their precious little one's baby food.  They are stealing from ALL of us.

Morons!  I think the You-Tube thing starring Bob hit the nail right on the head.

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Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #308 on: 15 Mar 2010, 08:31 pm »
Sort of like an ignition switch?

I don't understand why none of these people were smart enough to put the vehicle in neutral. Turning off the ignition switch has the disadvantage of also killing the power steering and I suppose there are some people out there who are too weak to turn the steering wheel without it. Putting it in neutral doesn't have that problem - at least until the engine breaks if there's no rev limiter.

Besides, when you are rolling, steering is pretty easy.  :roll: :duh:

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Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #309 on: 15 Mar 2010, 08:36 pm »
Sort of like an ignition switch?

I don't understand why none of these people were smart enough to put the vehicle in neutral. Turning off the ignition switch has the disadvantage of also killing the power steering and I suppose there are some people out there who are too weak to turn the steering wheel without it. Putting it in neutral doesn't have that problem - at least until the engine breaks if there's no rev limiter.

I think the problem is the entire system is electronic, the switch is connected to the computer and pushing it does nothing and the key is locked in and on. If the gear shift is also electronic then putting it in neutral also does nothing, like when a computer key board locks up. What these things need is a mechanical switch like the old days. I wouldn't be surprised if a new feature for the 2011 Prius is a manual toggle switch.

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« Reply #310 on: 15 Mar 2010, 09:14 pm »
Anyone remember Mercedes, when they had to smash a window to pull out a driver?  They had no manual door locks, and the entire electrical system failed.  They couldn't get the guy out!  That's a case of electronics gone out of control. 

What about the cars with the push button on?  How do you turn those off when they run away?  Will they even let you do this if the car isn't in park? 

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Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #311 on: 15 Mar 2010, 09:45 pm »
I'm not sure about other cars but the drive by wire system on the Prius seems to be working properly.  That jerkoff (yes, the one who was under-water for $700k) appears to be just trying to cash in - like the Wendy's chili lady, the old lady with McD's hot coffee spilled on her va-jayjay, and the d-bag who falls down at the local grocery store when he sees a patch of wet floor.  These people cost all of us money in the longrun and need to pay for their misdeeds. 

My old VW bug (see gallery) '69 convertible had a throttle by cable system (like all old cars) and when I first bought it the car was very slow.  My mechanic friend tuned it up, tightened the cable and I was shocked at how much faster it went.  The cable was just loose!

That VW always had something wrong with it but was a simple design and very easy to fix.  New cars are the opposite.  They usually run really well, run for a long time but are very complex and when they break are expensive and very hard to fix.  I'll take the new cars!  That old bug had lots of charm but I hated having to crawl under it every week.   Every time I fixed it, I wound up with extra parts.  I could never figure that out.  :?

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« Reply #312 on: 16 Mar 2010, 03:28 am »
That jerkoff (yes, the one who was under-water for $700k) appears to be just trying to cash in - like the Wendy's chili lady, the old lady with McD's hot coffee spilled on her va-jayjay,

Not to lead the conversation in a different direction or stir up a hornet's nest, but the Mickey D's coffee suit wasn't as frivilous as is commonly believed.  Here's some stuff I've read about it -

Coffee was served 40 degrees hotter than anyone else serves it.  That temp is known to cause 3rd degree burns within seconds of contact, and McD's had 1000's of documented complaints.  They knew full well of the risks associated with serving coffee that hot. 

The woman initially sued for 80% of her medical bills (about $500k?), as she felt she was 20% responsible.  She had 3rd degree burns (causing nerve damage) to 15% of her body and 2nd degree burns to another 15%, making that a total of 30% of her body.  She needed 6 or 8 surgeries and 6 months of physical therapy.

McD's offered to settle for $500.  She sued for her initial amount (she didn't have medical insurance), and the jury awarded her the $2 million or so.  She didn't ask for that.  A judged later reduced it to the initial amount she sued for.  How'd the jury get the figure they awarded her?  2 days worth of McD's coffee sales nationwide.

McD's PR people were the real geniuses in this case.  They manipulated the media and made themselves out to be the victims.

Sorry for that. The info came from my Uncle John's Bathroom Reader.

For the record - I'm not defending either side of the suit.

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Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #313 on: 16 Mar 2010, 03:30 am »
My wife and I both own Toyotas - '06 Highlander and '04 Corolla.  Neither have had any issues.  I can't see how someone wouldn't put their car in neutral, unless of course its electronic and you can't.  I figured every car has to be able to go into neutral at any time as a safety measure.

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« Reply #314 on: 18 Mar 2010, 09:27 pm »
Not to lead the conversation in a different direction or stir up a hornet's nest, but the Mickey D's coffee suit wasn't as frivilous as is commonly believed.  Here's some stuff I've read about it -

Coffee was served 40 degrees hotter than anyone else serves it.  That temp is known to cause 3rd degree burns within seconds of contact, and McD's had 1000's of documented complaints.  They knew full well of the risks associated with serving coffee that hot. 

The woman initially sued for 80% of her medical bills (about $500k?), as she felt she was 20% responsible.  She had 3rd degree burns (causing nerve damage) to 15% of her body and 2nd degree burns to another 15%, making that a total of 30% of her body.  She needed 6 or 8 surgeries and 6 months of physical therapy.

McD's offered to settle for $500.  She sued for her initial amount (she didn't have medical insurance), and the jury awarded her the $2 million or so.  She didn't ask for that.  A judged later reduced it to the initial amount she sued for.  How'd the jury get the figure they awarded her?  2 days worth of McD's coffee sales nationwide.

McD's PR people were the real geniuses in this case.  They manipulated the media and made themselves out to be the victims.

Sorry for that. The info came from my Uncle John's Bathroom Reader.

For the record - I'm not defending either side of the suit.

Yep.  That's all true.  One of many reasons I stopped watching national news years ago. . .and local news MANY years ago.  I get my news from various online resources.  For "controversial stories," I try to read multiple sources.  I think my Political Science and legal background has led me to this behavior.


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Re: Toyota Recall
« Reply #315 on: 19 Mar 2010, 03:18 am »
I just re-read the article I was paraphrasing from and made a mistake -

She sued for $45k for 80% of her out of pocket medical bills, not $500k.  I believe she had some sort of insurance.

The jury suggested $2.2 million, and an appeal judge reduced it to $450k for punitive damages.

Sorry for the misinformation.

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« Reply #316 on: 19 Mar 2010, 11:50 am »
While my sympathies always go with the Plaintiff over the corporation in such matters, I still have to question this one. Vendors do advertise HOT COFFEE, not warm. Granted, these ad signs don't list a temperature, but wouldn't you expect it to be hot enough to burn your skin?

Unless they give you a cup of steam, the coffee can't be any hotter than 212 degrees. The question of whether it was 185 degrees or 200 is moot to me. Both will burn you.

The real issue is, "Don't spill it on yourself". That, more than the temperature of the drink is the key to your burns, and the company that sold it to you had nothing to do with that unless the cup they provided was somehow faulty.

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« Reply #317 on: 19 Mar 2010, 01:09 pm »
While my sympathies always go with the Plaintiff over the corporation in such matters, I still have to question this one.

I never thought I'd see the day but I agree with you (although your sympathy doesn't seem to go with the Plaintiffs if they are injured by Toyota products but that's a different story) but in this case I do.  I avoided this topic because I didn't want to make it another pi$$ing match but where is the person's responsibility?  On one hand people are saying it's not Toyota's fault if a car accelerates out of control. because people should know to put their car in neutral.  The McD's argument is differeent.  Stu is saying it's McD's fault because some old bag spills coffee on her "Private area", even though McD's clearly labels every coffee with a "HOT COFFEE" warning.  I guess that's not enough. I guess if the same lady were to cut herself with a sharp knife at a steakhouse, she should sue the restaurant and knife manufacturer because the knife was too sharp!  Newsflash: coffee can be hot enough to burn you.  Keep it off your junk.   :o

Unless the cup or the lid was faulty (from what I know both worked as designed) the old lady was at fault.  Period.  At what point do people have to be responsible for their own actions?  I understand if a product is faulty and an injury occurs as a result but that's not what were talking about with the McD's example.  They served coffee hot enough to burn someone and some money grubbing geriatric lady tried to cash in after spilling some on herself.  Too bad but maybe she should have been more careful.  IMO, this lady should have been sent packing for filing a frivolous suit and the judge should have told her to get the heck out of the courtroom and take her red snapper with her!  Case closed. :thumb:

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« Reply #318 on: 19 Mar 2010, 01:33 pm »
While my sympathies always go with the Plaintiff over the corporation in such matters, I still have to question this one. Vendors do advertise HOT COFFEE, not warm. Granted, these ad signs don't list a temperature, but wouldn't you expect it to be hot enough to burn your skin?

Unless they give you a cup of steam, the coffee can't be any hotter than 212 degrees. The question of whether it was 185 degrees or 200 is moot to me. Both will burn you.

The real issue is, "Don't spill it on yourself". That, more than the temperature of the drink is the key to your burns, and the company that sold it to you had nothing to do with that unless the cup they provided was somehow faulty.
this woman was definitely not responsible; mickey-dee's was 100% at fault.  it wasn't a question of whether or not the coffee was 200 or 185.  the question was whether the coffee was over 140 degrees, which is the known max temp that can safely be served/consumed w/o risking burns.  mickey-dee's policy at that time was to serve coffee at 180-190 degrees.

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

regarding this toyota thing, it is clear that there is a problem; it is also clear that people are trying to cash in on it.  it is also clear that other auto mfr's besides toyota have had similar issues that were not always dealt with in a forthright manner.  examples that readily come to mind are exploding pintos, and under-inflated tires to keep explorors from rolling over...

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« Reply #319 on: 19 Mar 2010, 02:00 pm »
I never thought I'd see the day but I agree with you (although your sympathy doesn't seem to go with the Plaintiffs if they are injured by Toyota products but that's a different story) but in this case I do.  I avoided this topic because I didn't want to make it another pi$$ing match but where is the person's responsibility?  On one hand people are saying it's not Toyota's fault if a car accelerates out of control. because people should know to put their car in neutral.  The McD's argument is differeent.  Stu is saying it's McD's fault because some old bag spills coffee on her "Private area", even though McD's clearly labels every coffee with a "HOT COFFEE" warning.  I guess that's not enough. I guess if the same lady were to cut herself with a sharp knife at a steakhouse, she should sue the restaurant and knife manufacturer because the knife was too sharp!  Newsflash: coffee can be hot enough to burn you.  Keep it off your junk.   :o

Unless the cup or the lid was faulty (from what I know both worked as designed) the old lady was at fault.  Period.  At what point do people have to be responsible for their own actions?  I understand if a product is faulty and an injury occurs as a result but that's not what were talking about with the McD's example.  They served coffee hot enough to burn someone and some money grubbing geriatric lady tried to cash in after spilling some on herself.  Too bad but maybe she should have been more careful.  IMO, this lady should have been sent packing for filing a frivolous suit and the judge should have told her to get the heck out of the courtroom and take her red snapper with her!  Case closed. :thumb:

J

So, you're an older woman who puts a cup of coffee between her legs and gets severely burned.  Who would expect that a cup of coffee is sold that is hot enough to burn you?  That's just wrong.  And to call her "money grubbing" is truly disgusting.  This is the type of post that should be banned.  You have no idea whether she's "money grubbing" at all.  If she was "money grubbing" why the heck would she put the coffee in a place where it's bound to cause severe damage?  Why not spill it on an arm?  I know if I was "money grubbing" and wanted to burn myself using their coffee, I certainly wouldn't put the extremely hot coffee.

Also, the justice system worked well in this instance.  Before this case, I had no idea that coffee was sold that was so ridiculously hot.  Now, I order all cold coffees because of this.  Without this case, there would be no such realization.