NFL Football ('14-'15)

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jimdgoulding

Re: NFL Football ('14-'15)
« Reply #580 on: 19 Jan 2015, 10:45 pm »
Yep, Seattle got very creative while GB just got stunned.  Hats off to the Seattle coaching staff.  Won't the Super Bowl be interesting.

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« Reply #581 on: 19 Jan 2015, 11:41 pm »
Have any of you seen anything in the press about the extent of Sherman's injury? Have any of you considered that he may have been faking it? Is it difficult to imagine that snake laying in the weeds tempting the Packers to go after him?

Also not mentioned is the fact that idiot McCarthy does exactly what Pete Carroll knows he will do after what could have been a game winning interception. He runs the ball straight into the middle of the line using mere seconds off the clock in a 3 and out. This guy has Aaron Rodgers for his quarterback and instead of picking up a first down or two and running out the Seattle timeouts and then the clock, he runs directly into the teeth of their stacked defense and loses yardage.

We had the same problem for years in Denver where that fool Dan Reeves squandered most of Elway's career. John Fox turned out to be the reincarnation of Reeves, so I was delighted to see him go.

And finally, I made no mention of deliberately maiming anyone. Just watch the way Marshawn Lynch attacks a would be tackler and explain to me why a punt returner shouldn't take on the last defender, the kicker, in the same way instead of just running out of bounds. Or let's say you are J.J. Watt, you just intercepted a pass and Peyton Manning is coming up to tackle you. I think it would be your duty to show ole Peyton why that's not a good idea instead of trying to outrun him.

To your last point: totally disagree!  If you are JJ Watt you outrun Peyton Manning (very easily) and score a touchdown, rather than risking uneccessary contact when you know you can score without it.
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« Reply #582 on: 19 Jan 2015, 11:52 pm »
In spite of a basketful of egregious Seahawk offensive failures and turnovers which should have allowed them to run up the score early, Green Bay only managed 22 points, well under their 30 pt. average. That's a huge tribute to the Seattle defense. Normally 22 points doesn't beat the Seahawks.
Carping about Green Bay's offensive play misses the point they were playing an elite defense that kept Seattle in it until breaks and execution turned around.

Yeah, as someone who grew up in the Seattle area, that game was so painful to watch at first.  I really thought it would be over, but I was super impressed that it wasn't 35-0 at the half instead of 16-0.  Really surprised.   That told me just how good and effective the defense is.  The last quarter was pucker factor.

As much of a fan of Seahawks I am (Giants being my other favorite having lived in NYC for 12 years), I really HATE the pats.  In fact my greater group of friends who aren't fans of any of the final four only wish that Pats loose. 

jimdgoulding

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« Reply #583 on: 21 Jan 2015, 03:52 pm »
Anybody else think Seattle's defense can overwhelm the Pats O?  Anybody think this is Russell Wilson's time?  That's a big intangible I know, but, damn, they have to have more momentum than a hurricane.  On a neutral field maybe that is diluted somewhat.  Come on Pats, do what you do so well.  Execute and control.  Haven't heard any discussion about Sherman's shoulder.  Factor?   

sts9fan

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« Reply #584 on: 21 Jan 2015, 03:54 pm »
Only one team Sunday played well and it was not Seattle.  Not sure where you get the momentum. 

jimdgoulding

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« Reply #585 on: 21 Jan 2015, 04:11 pm »
I guess I took it from the Seahawks miraculous survival and their game before that.  I'm picking NE, btw, it's just that those intangibles are making make me nervous.  One being all the controversy about the Pats this week.  Heck, I suppose that could motivate them more, the Pats I mean, dunno.  And Seattle will be on a neutral field.   

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« Reply #586 on: 21 Jan 2015, 04:19 pm »
I don't think that it's much of a secret that the key to beating NE is to bully them. Seattle is built to take these guys.  Although I think NE is the better team, it's the matchup that matters.  Seattle by 3.
It also sure looks like NE really was guilty of messing with the footballs.  Belicheat must figure that all the things he gets away with (vs. the one he gets caught on) must be worth a draft choice penalty. 

sts9fan

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« Reply #587 on: 21 Jan 2015, 05:55 pm »
As a Pats fan it sucks if they did this because they don't need to.  That said, doctoring the ball is not uncommon.  Some people even admit to breaking the rules! I think both links are equally egregious but in no way justify what the Pats may have done. 
http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/aaron_rodgers_admitted_to_phil_simms_that_he_overinflates_footballs/18122582?linksrc=story_player_aaron_rodgers_auto_module_head_18122582
http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/11218/nfl-aware-of-game-ball-incident-during-panthers-vikings

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« Reply #588 on: 21 Jan 2015, 06:33 pm »
Either way, it's fun to have a team you identify with in the big one!
Every other team is at home watching !!

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« Reply #589 on: 21 Jan 2015, 08:18 pm »
Help me out here. I don't have a clue what the pressure in the ball is supposed to do. Does it provide an advantage of some kind? Does only one team benefit? Or is the same for both teams like the terrible playing surface in Chicago or the winds in many stadiums or the altitude in Denver?

I think this is a billion dollar business and that the numbers involved are sufficient to tempt every team into trying to tilt the scales in their favor. Seems like the reaction to this bit of gossip is a mite disprportionate to the actual outcome. The Colts were unable to do anything at all. Was that caused by the football air pressure?

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« Reply #590 on: 21 Jan 2015, 08:50 pm »
Help me out here. I don't have a clue what the pressure in the ball is supposed to do. Does it provide an advantage of some kind? Does only one team benefit? Or is the same for both teams like the terrible playing surface in Chicago or the winds in many stadiums or the altitude in Denver?

I think this is a billion dollar business and that the numbers involved are sufficient to tempt every team into trying to tilt the scales in their favor. Seems like the reaction to this bit of gossip is a mite disprportionate to the actual outcome. The Colts were unable to do anything at all. Was that caused by the football air pressure?
Each team uses their own game balls on offense.

No one in the Colts world, myself included, believes this had anything whatsoever to do with the outcome. The Colts were beaten senseless by a far better team that has owned them for years. So all this does is give the sports press something to yammer about for 2 entire weeks. Regardless, this should be a terrific game between 2 very worthy teams and I'm looking forward to it.

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« Reply #591 on: 21 Jan 2015, 09:35 pm »
Each team uses their own game balls on offense.

No one in the Colts world, myself included, believes this had anything whatsoever to do with the outcome. The Colts were beaten senseless by a far better team that has owned them for years. So all this does is give the sports press something to yammer about for 2 entire weeks. Regardless, this should be a terrific game between 2 very worthy teams and I'm looking forward to it.
Thanks, TomS.
Still doesn't tell me why this ball inflation/deflation thing matters.

BTW - Yammer? I love it. Great display of vocabulary.

TomS

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« Reply #592 on: 21 Jan 2015, 09:41 pm »
Thanks, TomS.
Still doesn't tell me why this ball inflation/deflation thing matters.

BTW - Yammer? I love it. Great display of vocabulary.
Some think a softer ball is easier to grip, throw, and catch. Others apparently like them a bit more like a rock (Rodgers).

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« Reply #593 on: 21 Jan 2015, 09:51 pm »
In this case it made the ball easier to intercept. Sounds pretty damn whiny if that's all there is to this.

The press/media are always looking for a story or something that can be made into a story and so everybody out there in America is looking for their own personal Fox moment when they can try their hand at manufacturing outrage. The Colts seem always to be crying about something. I imagine trading a first round pick for Trent Richardson is more like what they should focus on.

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« Reply #594 on: 21 Jan 2015, 10:00 pm »
It's not a question of whether NE got a significant advantage.  It's the mindset of it being ok to break league rules if a club thinks they benefit.  The rules state a pressure range for the footballs.  NE know this and intentionally decided to not follow league rules. 

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« Reply #595 on: 21 Jan 2015, 10:15 pm »
It's not a question of whether NE got a significant advantage.  It's the mindset of it being ok to break league rules if a club thinks they benefit.  The rules state a pressure range for the footballs.  NE know this and intentionally decided to not follow league rules.
Did Bellichick confide in you? How do you know intent? And I personally think circumstances count big time. Rote enforcement is for god to impose. The rest of us need to be more flexible. How did those balls pass inspection? The teams are required to submit the balls they intend to use hours before game time. Doesn't an official inspect them?

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« Reply #596 on: 21 Jan 2015, 10:25 pm »
Macro, we just don't see the world the same way.  I think it's cheating and that NE should face discipline. 
I don't give a rats ass who Bellichick confides in.  As to God and rote enforcement...???

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« Reply #597 on: 21 Jan 2015, 10:59 pm »
It's not a question of whether NE got a significant advantage.  It's the mindset of it being ok to break league rules if a club thinks they benefit.  The rules state a pressure range for the footballs.  NE know this and intentionally decided to not follow league rules.

+1!   :cuss:

jimdgoulding

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« Reply #598 on: 22 Jan 2015, 01:16 am »
 :sleep:  Shee-it.  How did Belachick not know.  Don't think so. 

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« Reply #599 on: 22 Jan 2015, 01:33 am »
It's not a question of whether NE got a significant advantage.  It's the mindset of it being ok to break league rules if a club thinks they benefit.  The rules state a pressure range for the footballs.  NE know this and intentionally decided to not follow league rules.

+1!   :cuss:

 +2!  :cuss: