Getting to be time for some Football?

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Re: Getting to be time for some Football?
« Reply #120 on: 26 Sep 2012, 03:55 am »
All good points, lets try pass interference first.  This is never, ever called on the last play of the game with a hail mary in the endzone on either team, even with the regular refs, so that's moot and not relevant here. 

Possession cannot be reviewed, that's a call made on the field that stands as the ref calls it.  What was reviewed was whether it was a catch as defined by the rules above, and it was clearly a catch by one or both parties.

The sticky point here is joint possession in the air and as they hit the ground.  As I view it they both initially grab the ball at the same time.  Tate clearly loses one hand as they start to fall.  Tate regains both hands on the ball, then after that point his butt hits the ground with both players maintaining possession through the play.  As I read the rules, this is simultaneous possession with the ball awarded to the passing team.  However I'm certainly no expert, perhaps less than any of you, I looked this up on the web.  So your interpretation of these rules is every bit as valid as mine, but the key thing is to read the rules and interpretations, not judge what your heart and mind initially tells you.

And please, I'm with you guys.  By all that's holy in football it should be Green Bay's ball.  But going strictly by the letter of the rules, there's a strong case that the officials ruled correctly.   

When a blantant push in the back, in the endzone no less, as the ball is in the air, isn't pass interference, then you're certainly NOT with me. The replacement ref's are lucky to have you in their corner cuz you're 1 of the very few. :lol:

Judge for yourself folks!  :thumb:

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Re: Getting to be time for some Football?
« Reply #121 on: 26 Sep 2012, 03:14 pm »
When a blantant push in the back, in the endzone no less, as the ball is in the air, isn't pass interference, then you're certainly NOT with me. The replacement ref's are lucky to have you in their corner cuz you're 1 of the very few. :lol:

Judge for yourself folks!  :thumb:

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Robin

Once again, pass interference on the last play of the game when it's a hail mary pass into the endzone (this is a special condition) is never called.  Just as holding on the off side on a running play is never called.  If you don't watch pro ball with a critical eye, and it's perfectly ok to do so, it's entertainment so you should watch for your own enjoyment, then you cannot comment definitively on what is and isn't called.

It's the possession of the ball that I'm with everyone else on.  I'm completely shocked and surprised that the rules and interpretations read this way.  And I'm totally sympathetic to anyone with rules official experience in the NFL correcting me.  I'm not apologizing for the replacement refs, they're horrible, and I assumed they blew it on this one too.  But the league says they called it correctly and there's evidence in black and white that they're not just covering up.  I think the rule is vague in this instance and the interpretations should be more clear, it should read that Jennings gets the ball, but it doesn't. 

This is upsetting to you and most all of us as well, it doesn't seem right.  I agree.  It's also wrong that if you touch a quarterback with your finger it's a 15 yard penalty.  That was the interpretation last year and they changed it for this year.  Perhaps they should change this one as well.  Perhaps they have and I didn't get the right interpretations.  I'm not the expert.  But if you carefully read the rules and interpretations, and carefully look at the replay, by the letter of the law it was called correctly.     

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Re: Getting to be time for some Football?
« Reply #122 on: 27 Sep 2012, 12:34 am »
Once again, pass interference on the last play of the game when it's a hail mary pass into the endzone (this is a special condition) is never called.  Just as holding on the off side on a running play is never called.  If you don't watch pro ball with a critical eye, and it's perfectly ok to do so, it's entertainment so you should watch for your own enjoyment, then you cannot comment definitively on what is and isn't called.

It's the possession of the ball that I'm with everyone else on.  I'm completely shocked and surprised that the rules and interpretations read this way.  And I'm totally sympathetic to anyone with rules official experience in the NFL correcting me.  I'm not apologizing for the replacement refs, they're horrible, and I assumed they blew it on this one too.  But the league says they called it correctly and there's evidence in black and white that they're not just covering up.  I think the rule is vague in this instance and the interpretations should be more clear, it should read that Jennings gets the ball, but it doesn't. 

This is upsetting to you and most all of us as well, it doesn't seem right.  I agree.  It's also wrong that if you touch a quarterback with your finger it's a 15 yard penalty.  That was the interpretation last year and they changed it for this year.  Perhaps they should change this one as well.  Perhaps they have and I didn't get the right interpretations.  I'm not the expert.  But if you carefully read the rules and interpretations, and carefully look at the replay, by the letter of the law it was called correctly.     

I heard you the 1st time and once again I'm still disagreeing with ya. Wanta go a third time ?  :lol:

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Robin

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Re: Getting to be time for some Football?
« Reply #123 on: 27 Sep 2012, 01:05 am »
Yes, Pass Interference is called on the last play, Hail Mary or not, all of the time.  :duh:

In any case, during that play Tate never had possesion of the ball. Not simultaneous or otherwise; not at the start, the middle or at the end of the play.

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« Reply #124 on: 27 Sep 2012, 01:44 am »
I'm with Letitroll on this one. I don't mean that I feel the call was right; but I don't see that it's absolutely clear that it was wrong. The situation was muddled, both in terms of the difficulty of seeing what actually happened, and also how the rules are to be applied. The only thing that was clear to me was that at the end both players were tugging mightily at the ball. Apparently the issue of possession is not reviewable, but if it were, based on the replays I saw, I don't think there was the clear evidence necessary to reverse the call.

After watching a dozen or so replays, I was surprised that virtually everyone was immediately absolutely certain the call was wrong. One thing I am sure about is that the vituperation aimed at the official is misplaced. After all, he is not an experienced NFL professional official, and he had to make the call without the benefit of replays. There are others more deserving of the fans' bile.

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Re: Getting to be time for some Football?
« Reply #125 on: 27 Sep 2012, 01:49 am »
No.  The call was bad on a host of levels out of the box:
 
1)  Tate committed a offensive pass interference.  No bullshit about not calling on hail Mary.  It was blatant.
2) The DB HAD the ball BEFORE Tate.  The rule is clear: In this case, the FIRST guy with the ball has possesion, period.
3) The refs should have has a conference.  They would have figured out the right call.
 
I'm no fan of the Packers, but they were hosed.
 
Here is the good news: It was SO bad, it forced the NFL off it's ass and got a settlement with the real refs.  They will occasionally screw up a call, but not this bad this often .

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Re: Getting to be time for some Football?
« Reply #126 on: 27 Sep 2012, 02:12 am »
 It's tough, but as a Seahawks fan, who get screwed on calls all the time, and got screwed in the Super Bowl, I chalk this up to good karma. We finally catch a break for once on a call. Anyway the call was made, you and I weren't there, and they say that the touchdown was legitimate. I listened to both sides, I believe Tate.

 Either way..I think Seattle just made a new blood rival..

 The regular refs are coming back.. we'll see how the season goes. But I gotta stick with mah boys.

 Anyway, if Green Bay is so good they shouldn't have to win games on controversial plays.

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Re: Getting to be time for some Football?
« Reply #127 on: 27 Sep 2012, 02:45 am »
Did you believe Tate when he boldfaced denied pushing anyone on the last play during the interview on national tv right after the replay of him pushing over a Packer with both hands in the most blatant offensive interference possible without a gun?

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Re: Getting to be time for some Football?
« Reply #128 on: 27 Sep 2012, 03:02 am »
Yeah that's tough. In fairness I didn't get to watch the last few minutes of the game. The refs said they screwed up on that but didn't screw up calling the touchdown.

 It's unfortunate they don't face Green Bay again this season.

 Like I said, the Seahawks come from a long history of getting screwed on calls and have been told to suck it. This is karma coming back around.

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Re: Getting to be time for some Football?
« Reply #129 on: 27 Sep 2012, 03:15 am »
I think you should be real happy @ 2-1, for the way their playing they could easily be 0-3 !

Yeah I know! This is typical Iggle football.

A win against the Giants would be nice, but I'm pretty sure they will be 2-2 come Sunday night!  :duh:

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Re: Getting to be time for some Football (w/professional referees)!
« Reply #130 on: 27 Sep 2012, 04:43 am »
The public has spoken!!!  8)

The professional referees will be back for week 4, read about it HERE.  :thumb:

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Robin

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« Reply #131 on: 27 Sep 2012, 05:06 am »
Well that will be a relief for everyone.  The article is from Fox News and says the officials will be in place tonight.  Other sources on ESPN stated it would take a week after an agreement is made to get the officials "ready for play", fitted for the new Nike uniforms, get through conditioning trials, etc.  I was thinking just use last years uniforms and the heck with procedures, get 'em out there.  If this report is completely correct it looks like that's what they'll do.

I had another questions about "the call", will sports books pay off on the outcome?  One casino did offer refunds, "Derek Stevens, owner The D Las Vegas, seized on the attention being paid to the much-derided decision by replacement officials handling the NFL game and became the only casino in Las Vegas to offer refunds."
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/story/2012/09/26/casino-offers-refunds-on-packers-seahawks-game/57846232/1

I don't run with the street crowd anymore, does anyone know if the bookies paid?

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Re: Getting to be time for some Football?
« Reply #132 on: 27 Sep 2012, 08:43 am »
Score one for the value of qualified individuals who can and do the job right.

Score one against detached MBA "prepared" management who would like to be able to plug any warm body into the organizational slot and pretend the job will be done (let alone done right).

IMO that is the issue a strike like this represents.

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« Last Edit: 27 Sep 2012, 04:36 pm by chip »

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Re: Getting to be time for some Football?
« Reply #134 on: 28 Sep 2012, 06:56 am »




the proof is in the footing!

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Re: Getting to be time for some Football?
« Reply #135 on: 28 Sep 2012, 07:27 am »



the proof is in the footing!



Here's your real proof, Tate admits to the push in the back pass interference which actually cleared Tate's path to your pathetic touchdown call.  :roll:

But it's now history & time to move on with real referees and 3 hour games.  :lol:

Cheers,
Robin

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« Reply #136 on: 28 Sep 2012, 07:40 am »
Lol true.

We're going to review that!

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Re: Getting to be time for some Football?
« Reply #137 on: 30 Sep 2012, 05:50 pm »
New York Giants @ Philadelphia Eagles tonight on NBC will IMHO be the game of the week. Both teams need a signature win even thou they're both 2-1. Vick has been close to being benched, even tho he's put up excellent offensive number, he's leading the league in turnovers. The Giants defense will be needing to show up tonight if they hope to steal a win in Philly. I'm really looking forward to watching this  game.  :hyper:

But I could care less who wins, I just love watching 2 archenemies fight it out.  :lol:

Cheers,
Robin

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Re: Getting to be time for some Football?
« Reply #138 on: 30 Sep 2012, 11:24 pm »
Even the new refs are f'n up the packers game. Two bad calls  :scratch: that gave advantage to the saints.....nothing like the previous game but this play recently was clearly a fumble in the 4th qtr.

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Re: Getting to be time for some Football?
« Reply #139 on: 30 Sep 2012, 11:52 pm »
Even the new refs are f'n up the packers game. Two bad calls  :scratch: that gave advantage to the saints.....nothing like the previous game but this play recently was clearly a fumble in the 4th qtr.

Didn't do them any good though, did it? The 'aints are still 0-4.  :icon_frown:

Chgeers,
Robin