0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic. Read 44296 times.
From the editor of stereomojo:IMHO, the EE sounds as good as many turntable/cartridge/phono-pre combos up to around $10,000, perhaps more when playing 24-bit files. From what limited time I've had with the Lampizator, I think it competes with many of the top turntables at any price, whether playing Redbook or 24-bits.As can be seen here:http://www.stereomojo.com/Stereomojo%20Six%20DAC%20Shootout.htm/Stereomojo6DacShootoutRound2.htmSo, it is about the sound quality you get from your system. If such a quality is obtained, vynil setup is not really needed, IMHO.
That's a load of crap. Classical music is the easiest music to sound good on any system.Wayner
That's a load of crap. Classical music is the easiest music to sound good on any system.
Sorry, mate, it's true. The noise floor issue alone is a deal breaker. Unless one totally ignores popping, the inherantly higher noise floor, no ability to experience surrond, not to mention the various distortions, classical played on vinyl is hard to take. The shortfalls asscoiated with reproducing dynamic contrasts when listening to a somthing along the lines of a Mahler symphony are readily apparant.
Sorry mate (not) it ain't true. Just cause you say so, don't make it so.
I'm reasonably sure that the limitaions with vinyl are indeed mesaureable, and can be backed up as such. You are entiltled to your opinion, but the engineering mesaurements will sugget otherwise (not to mention the incredible pain it is to even try to get vinyl less noisy than it already is...)
If you have poor vinyl management, that is the end result, or don't understand what causes snap crackle, pop.When you have things dialed in, cymbal crashes sound real, vocals are in the room with you. You get the feeling that you are part of the recording.QW
Wayner, you can get exactly the same feeling from a "dialed-in" digital system. BEFORE the analog signal even gets to the cutting head, it goes through a chain of processors: limiters, compressors, de-essers, LF filters, LF summarizers etc. Add to this the usual necessary vinyl evils - surface noise, mandatory frequency response deterioration/distortion on inner grooves, mono low bass, distorted sibilance etc, plus limitations inherent to phono cartridges, turntables, preamps etc, and the picture is rather clear. High-res digital, given identical starting source, will produce a much CLOSER TO ORIGINAL version, read -"truer high fidelity". I am a vinyl freak, but I have to be objective. And if there were enough good music in high res, I'd switch in a beat. My vinyl rig is no slouch, but a pretty substantial number of my LPs can not compete with their digital WELL MASTERED counterparts. A good example, and it's not even a high-res, is a gold Mastersound CD version of Stevie Ray Voghan's "Couldn't stand the Weather". I have two LPs, one early, and one later, and both of them are absolutely meak compared to the Hoffman CD... If you want an insight into severe problems during mastering, read about Steely Dan's "Katy Lied" sessions, and what Fagen said. They couldn't transfer practically anything onto vinyl, so they used SEVERE LIMITING AND COMPRESSION. He said that the first time they have heard something even remotely close to original tapes was when it was digitally re-mastered. Relax and accept the way of the future, which is high-res digital. After all, you don't object to it when you are in a movie theater, right? Some of the best and most realistic sounds I've heard were at the movies...
Maybe the very best wasn't auditioned, but for the most part, that's true for many of us. I used to get master tape dubs when I was young and there's usually no comparison. Vinyl tends to sound natural and digital sounds like there's something missing or unnatural. Once you're familiar with that sound, you don't forget. It does seem like these norms are slowly breaking down and I've heard some regular digital that sounds much better than before. I think it becomes a question of availability and cost for the music you listen to. Maybe a 16/44 can sound decent but for the most part they're not that good. Maybe with a certain CDP?
(1) I'm reasonably sure that the limitaions with vinyl are indeed mesaureable, and can be backed up as such. (2) You are entiltled to your opinion, but the engineering mesaurements will sugget otherwise (not to mention the incredible pain it is to even try to get vinyl less noisy than it already is...)
