The new winner is: V1 (The winner is: V2)

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Guy 13

Re: The winner : V-2 !
« Reply #120 on: 12 Nov 2010, 03:26 am »
Hi Guy,
That is a sweet ride!

You and Perry are going to love the N3s, they aren't open baffle but the excel at what they do.  Here is a pic of a set I built my sister last Christmas.




She loves them.

Best,
Ed
Hi Ed.
No dought about it, those N3 are really nice looking and as far as nice sounding? For that, I have to take your word for it !
Your sister must be in important person in your life to get such a nice Christmas gift.
If Danny could supply me with N3 flat pack, that would make the N3 project a lot easier to me. To build those enclosures, I only own a jigsaw, therefore, the end result won't be what I will expect, but on the other hand, it's for fun, it's for gaining experience, it's for our bed room, well, not sure about the bedroom, well, then they will end up in my office, there my wife cannot say anything, my office is my place, it's my little castle.
Guy 13. 

Guy 13

Re: The winner : V-2 !
« Reply #121 on: 14 Nov 2010, 12:02 pm »

Hi all Audio Circle members.
I don't remember who asked on Audio Circle how much the weight of the V1 or V2 was; but here are the weight of mine.
V1 = 160Kg/352 pounds
V2 = 111Kg/244 pounds
V2 (Sub only) = 88Kg/194 pounds
Accuracy + or – 10 pounds and all the weights include the SS plate amplifier and rollers.
No doubt about it; those GR Research Open Baffle are heavy. Now does any one wonders why a little guy like me (1.54m/5’5” @ 70Kg/154 pounds) have installed rollers on all of those monsters? For sure, I will not wreck my back moving around those heavy refrigerators like, speakers.
A word of advice, never try to move those monsters all by yourself, ask a friend or your wife, if she's a weight lifter. (Ha, ha...)
Guy 13

Guy 13

Re: The winner : V-2 !
« Reply #122 on: 14 Nov 2010, 12:43 pm »
Hi all Audio Circle members.
It's me again !
This time, I took pictures of the dense Made in Vietnam foam that I found here in Saigon and that cost so little that they almost pay you to take it. (Ha, ha ha...) With only 15 USD, I bough enough pre-cut foam to do two V2 front and back.
Of course this is not Danny's NoRez, but for now, it will do. Tomorrow I will do a test with the two V2, one with and one without foam to try to ear the difference in sound. Do you think I will be able to ear a (BIG) difference ?
Guy 13





 
 

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Re: The winner : V-2 !
« Reply #123 on: 15 Nov 2010, 01:18 am »
Hi all Audio Circle members.
I don't remember who asked on Audio Circle how much the weight of the V1 or V2 was; but here are the weight of mine.
V1 = 160Kg/352 pounds
V2 = 111Kg/244 pounds
V2 (Sub only) = 88Kg/194 pounds
Accuracy + or – 10 pounds and all the weights include the SS plate amplifier and rollers.
No doubt about it; those GR Research Open Baffle are heavy. Now does any one wonders why a little guy like me (1.54m/5’5” @ 70Kg/154 pounds) have installed rollers on all of those monsters? For sure, I will not wreck my back moving around those heavy refrigerators like, speakers.
A word of advice, never try to move those monsters all by yourself, ask a friend or your wife, if she's a weight lifter. (Ha, ha...)
Guy 13

Hi Guy13
I asked. Is the weight stated above  for one pair or one  speaker ?
I have sprained  my back before and I have to be extracareful.
regards
kp93300

Guy 13

Re: The winner : V-2 !
« Reply #124 on: 15 Nov 2010, 02:04 am »
Hi Guy13
I asked. Is the weight stated above  for one pair or one  speaker ?
I have sprained  my back before and I have to be extracareful.
regards
kp93300
Hi KP.
Unfortunately, I have to say that all the weights shown are only for one unit, for a pair multiply by two.
With his kits, Danny should supply a lift truck ! (Ha, ha...)
Be carefull - ask for help !
Or do like me, install first some wheels, then, when you have found the right place, and only then, install spikes.
Guy 13

TomS

Re: The winner : V-2 !
« Reply #125 on: 15 Nov 2010, 02:21 am »
Guy,

I can't imagine a single V1 weighting 352 pounds even if it is made of ipe or granite  :lol:
I think my V1 subs are about 120 pounds with over 2" walls so shouldn't be too far off what yours are  :scratch:

Tom

Guy 13

Re: The winner : V-2 !
« Reply #126 on: 15 Nov 2010, 03:10 am »
Guy,

I can't imagine a single V1 weighting 352 pounds even if it is made of ipe or granite  :lol:
I think my V1 subs are about 120 pounds with over 2" walls so shouldn't be too far off what yours are  :scratch:

Tom
Hi Tom.
Now that you mention that, I will re-weight them again, as soon as I can put my hands on the local HULK !
Guy 13

ebag4

Re: The winner : V-2 !
« Reply #127 on: 15 Nov 2010, 03:11 am »
My V1s are in the 140 lb area.

Guy 13

Re: The winner : V-2 !
« Reply #128 on: 15 Nov 2010, 05:52 am »
Hi all.
I sure did make a foul of myself with those weight figures, didn’t I ? It’s not the first time and it won’t be the last time either !
Well, I will blame the guy that took the figures out of the bathroom scale; he’s my helper, he’s a hillbillies, he’s a jungle man, he’s… well he’s a guy that need glasses…
He took the wrong scale from the dual scales (Kg/Pounds) bathroom scale.
Therefore, here are my new numbers, if you think, I screwed up again, please let me know and I will kick myself in the butt…
V1 = 160 pounds,
V2 = 111 pounds,
V2 sub only = 88 pounds. 
Does that make more sense?
Sorry about that, I hope no one had a hart attack when they saw my figures.
Guy 13
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Re: The winner : V-2 !
« Reply #129 on: 15 Nov 2010, 06:20 am »
Guy 13,

THat makes a lot of sense now !  8)
Earlier, I thought you had some secret compartment containing lead shots and sand!!

Guy 13

Re: The winner : V-2 !
« Reply #130 on: 16 Nov 2010, 09:09 am »
Hi all.
I think it would be highly appropriate to rename or change my topic's name  to:
The winner : V1.
The more I listen to my V1, the more I find that they are better, more natural and more dynamic than the V2, however I must say again, don't get me wrong, the V2 are also very good speakers, but maybe they are one step or two lower than the V1.
If you only listen to the V2 without listening to the V1, then you will like and buy from Danny the V2, but if you listen to the V1 and V2 side by side, you will choose the V1, of course if you have the extra dollars. 
This afternoon, I did about one hour of listening, comparing the V1 and the V2 with CDs and LPs. I like the sound of my Lps of course, less some small snap, crackle and pop from scratches. Some of my LPs are from 20 to 40 years old, maybe that's older than some of you members... (Ha, ha...)
I have also connected to my V2 subs my Audio Nirvana 8" full range drivers and I must say that there is something with the fuill range driver that you don't have with coaxial and two ways drivers. Difficult to put into words, but at times, I find the sound more natural, more presence, more ambiance, but again, with some agressiveness. Maybe one day I will ask Danny to make me a special crossover circuit for those drivers to remove what I don't want and like.
Well, that all folks.
Guy 13 

Guy 13

Re: The winner : V-2 !
« Reply #131 on: 19 Nov 2010, 06:11 am »

Hi all.
Everyday, I try to take a few minutes off and listen to my V1 and V2 with my Niteshade Audio 10wpc amplifier.
Here are some thoughts, opinions, reactions, comments, views and conclusions (But not finals) of my yesterday two hours of listening with some good CD recordings (Chesky, TelArc…) and some audiophile LPs.
(Rega Apollo CD player and  Rega P3 w/Rega Exact MM cartridge).
Sorry if I repeat myself, but I think it’s not a good idea to compare side by side the V1 and the V2, because I am sure you will choose the V1 and if you don’t have to money to buy the V1 then you will have to settle for the V2 and… Well eventually you will be happy with the V2, because it’s good, but you will always think about the superb sound of the V1.
The more I listen to the V1, the more you like it and the more you don’t want the V2, well that’s what happening to me anyway. Please don’t think I don’t like the V2 or as I often say, don’t put words in my mouth that I did not say.
The V2 is very good for the price, but the V1 is simply better. How much better, that will depends on you and only you.
For me I find that the V1 as more natural bass, deep, but not exaggerated like the V2. The bass also has more details, especially in the higher frequencies.
The mids and highs give to the V1 a feeling of ambiance, more lively music. The harshness (Sorry, can’t find another word to describe this) of the 12’’ PAudio coaxial driver probably comes from the lack of acoustic treatment of my living room.
For now, I have to live with that, because we will put our house for sale next year and I don’t want to start making holes everywhere and also, the living room dimensions are huge.
I am sure that when I have my new listening room, the higher portion of the spectrum will be softer.
Now, what about the sound stage?  I do have some musical instrument separation, but it could improve, I still have that feeling of music coming from the speakers.
Now the vocals, any vocals, not only Diane Krall, females as well as males have a presence that makes you think that there are singing in your own living room. Of course, for that, you need very good recording and I tell you, not all recording have been created equal. The other day, my sister in law asks me to play one of her CD of Tom Jones live. A concert lives outside. Could not hear it to the end and I like Tom Jones.
Later on, I will try to experiment with some different interconnects, speaker cables and do some tube rolling, but I think the changes or improvement won’t be significant or big.
I rarely use the word HUGE when I comes to improvement. The only HUGE improvement (I use that word with caution) I’ve heard, was switching from the V2 to the V1.
What is more important for me when listening to music?
Sound stage?
Presence?
Ambiance?
Deep bass with details?
Impact/dynamics?
Micro details?
For me it’s first the presence and ambiance, if it’s there, it’s like you are at a live concert or in the recording studio.
Deep bass with details, because I love bass, very deep bass.
Impact and dynamics give you more realistic music; it’s when the music is compressed that you don’t get involved because it’s lifeless, dull.
Details, yes, but not too much, except when it comes to listening string instruments and electronic music (Kitaro & Vangelis).
And last, for me sound stage, but maybe that’s because I never experienced real live stage music with good separation between all the instruments.
I will do more listening of both of my V1 and V2; however, I am not sure if I will post more comments. I might wait until next year when I will be in my new listening room.
As usual any comments are welcome, especially the ones that are in contradiction with my opinions.
Good listening.
Guy 13



   

Guy 13

Re: The winner : V-2 !
« Reply #132 on: 19 Nov 2010, 06:33 am »
Hi (Again) all.
Ideas for my next listening room.
You are welcome to post any other ideas and especially pictures.
A picture is worth a thousand words...
Guy 13





Guy 13

Re: The new winner is: V1 (The winner is: V2)
« Reply #133 on: 19 Nov 2010, 09:17 am »

Hi all.
Even if it's still very early, I want to gather some information and ideas for the acoustic treatment of my future dedicated listening room due to be completed middle of 2011, of course, if everything goes well, which is rarely the case here in Vietnam. (Ha, ha...)
For the corner's (Bass) traps, I was wondering what would be the best way of doing them, the way that gives the best results. I can get the corners rounded with cement, since all the walls here in Vietnam here build with soft bricks covered with half an inch of cement, then covered with some plaster. I can also round the joint where the wall and ceiling meet.
As usual, I have plenty of crazy ideas and here's one of them.
How about putting some soft foam (Egg shell) in the corner with 6" on each side, of course with a decorative wood border/frame. Would that eliminate the standing waves? Is that the purpose of the trap?



For the absorptive panels? How about a decorative IKEA carpet (Or any thick rug) glued to a 3/8” plywood board and screwed on the wall?
Can that work?



Now, for the reflective material.
I have many heavy duty carton rolls/tubes which are 9” in diameter by about 5’5” high. If I cut them in two on the length and stick them to the wall with the curved section toward and behind the V1, I wonder if that will work? Any one has tried something like that?



For the room treatment I have no intention of buying from oversea anything already made, because once I’ve paid transport and custom, I will have to sell my V1 and V2 to pay for all that stuff and that will also kill the fun of doing all sorts of crazy experiments.

Waiting for any and all suggestions, even if they are crazier than mine.
Guy 13




 


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Re: The new winner is: V1 (The winner is: V2)
« Reply #134 on: 19 Nov 2010, 10:02 am »

 
My 1st thought was maybe stuffing that cylinder with fiberglass but that's probably as available in Vietnam as palm trees are in Palin's Alaska.  :lol:   But here's a pretty good diy website that's right up your alley for what you'e doing. The site is from of our own bpage. Bryan would surely have lots of diy ideas for ya, and he also represents the GIK room treatment that you have labeled in your drawing.  :thumb:
 
Cheers,
Robin

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« Reply #135 on: 19 Nov 2010, 12:27 pm »
I highly recommend Bryan & Glenn from GIK.  If you want to diy, Bryan's site is great too. 

Great stuff Robin!

JohnR

Re: The new winner is: V1 (The winner is: V2)
« Reply #136 on: 19 Nov 2010, 12:38 pm »
It would be a lot easier to recommend them if GIK Acoustics stepped up to the plate and become a site sponsor.

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« Reply #137 on: 19 Nov 2010, 12:43 pm »
It would be a lot easier to recommend them if GIK Acoustics stepped up to the plate and become a site sponsor.

I can appreciate that.  Two of the larger home acoustic experts do post on this site.   :scratch:

I'll see what I can do.   :wink:

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« Reply #138 on: 19 Nov 2010, 01:02 pm »
It would be a lot easier to recommend them if GIK Acoustics stepped up to the plate and become a site sponsor.

No pressure there John  :wink:

For the OP:

The tubes can work OK to break up flat surfaces.  Don't expect them to go very low and they'll reflect most upper mids and highs.

Felt on board will do pretty much nothing below a few kHz.

In the corners, I'd strongly recommend not rounding them.  They're still corners and this just makes them harder to treat.  The foam will get rid of a little honk but do nothing in the lower frequencies.

Bryan

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Re: The new winner is: V1 (The winner is: V2)
« Reply #139 on: 19 Nov 2010, 01:17 pm »
It would be a lot easier to recommend them if GIK Acoustics stepped up to the plate and become a site sponsor.

If anyone in power wants to contact me I am all ears!!   :D :D