Introducing WyWires...

wywires · « **Reply #140 on:** 20 Jul 2010, 02:55 am »

Quote from: Nick77 on 18 Jul 2010, 08:45 pm

Fred i am jealous as heck, i cant take it any longer how are the speaker cables doing??
Just wondering if the Hot Sauce still holds top gun or if in your case the speaker cables have taken over?

Fred is sending the speaker cables back. I discovered a thing or two and tried it. Made a big improvement and will retrofit Fred's cables and send 'em back. Keith, you will get yours next week, with the enhancement.

Nick77 · « **Reply #141 on:** 20 Jul 2010, 12:46 pm »

Quote from: wywires on 20 Jul 2010, 02:55 am

Fred is sending the speaker cables back. I discovered a thing or two and tried it. Made a big improvement and will retrofit Fred's cables and send 'em back. Keith, you will get yours next week, with the enhancement.

Alex thanks for the update, very much looking forward to trying these.

Congrats on the tweaks!

jtwrace · « **Reply #142 on:** 20 Jul 2010, 12:52 pm »

Tweaks? What kind of tweaks can one do to a cable?

I mean no disrespect but I feel I'm reading an infomercial...

Gopher · « **Reply #143 on:** 20 Jul 2010, 01:49 pm »

Jtwrace,

It almost does sound like that and I've been trying to contain my excitement and back it up a touch to prevent that appearance. Honestly, I've been searching for a flaw to report SOMETHING not glowing about these cables, but the quest continues for me...

I think Alex was considering a tour in the future which should give others the chance to hear them. I'm very curious as to what the masses think and to whether my findings are validated.

I'm sure Alex will provide further details if he wants, but I know he was experimenting with different sealing for the conductors and tinning techniques. I'm not a techie so I defer to his expertise as to the construction and will keep my comments to what I hear.

eclein · « **Reply #144 on:** 20 Jul 2010, 01:54 pm »

+1 on a tour..its a great idea!!

jtwrace · « **Reply #145 on:** 20 Jul 2010, 01:54 pm »

Quote from: Gopher on 20 Jul 2010, 01:49 pm

Jtwrace,

It almost does sound like that and I've been trying to contain my excitement and back it up a touch to prevent that appearance. Honestly, I've been searching for a flaw to report SOMETHING not glowing about these cables, but the quest continues for me...

It's great that you're happy. That's all that matters. I just needed to say what it looks like from the outside (to me).

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I think Alex was considering a tour in the future which should give others the chance to hear them. I'm very curious as to what the masses think and to whether my findings are validated.

I might be interested if this was to come to fruition.

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I'm sure Alex will provide further details if he wants, but I know he was experimenting with different sealing for the conductors and tinning techniques. I'm not a techie so I defer to his expertise as to the construction and will keep my comments to what I hear.

I'm all about the technical side.

Barry_NJ · « **Reply #146 on:** 20 Jul 2010, 04:41 pm »

I'd be very interested in trying a set, as I've recently begun experimenting with different cables in my system.

Barry_NJ · « **Reply #147 on:** 20 Jul 2010, 04:46 pm »

Ha! just saw this...

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=83023.0

As usual I'm late to the party

Phil A · « **Reply #148 on:** 20 Jul 2010, 11:17 pm »

They are really nice cables. The best I've heard. It is really difficult for anyone, even those in the hobby, to stay on top of everything. I know as I am an Admin. on a Home Theater Forum and there's nothing more frustrating than trying to help someone who is not only late to the party, but didn't show up. So many expect that they can pop on once a year or two, ask a question, and understand everything they need to know. At least you have the opportunity to hear from various people who have used different things and have different systems. Much better to have those comments vs. those from a dealer with a vested interest in what you buy.

evan1 · « **Reply #149 on:** 20 Jul 2010, 11:32 pm »

Quote from: Barry_NJ on 20 Jul 2010, 04:46 pm

Ha! just saw this...

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=83023.0

As usual I'm late to the party

Barry
You were at my house July 4th weekend and the Wywires were on my CD Player

etcarroll · « **Reply #150 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 01:00 am »

Been burning in a pair of 1 meter RCAs since last week, today sat down to do some serious listening. Maybe got 20 hours on them. I also built a pair of .5 meter Rega Couple clones, the clones use the same Neutrik jack as the WyWires. Got maybe 10 hours on the clones. Also have a pr. of Discwasher Gold-Ens I bought in 1983 as baseline cables.

Well the WyWires and clones both blow the 1980's era cables away.

Picking a winner between the WyWires and clones not so easy. So far I find the clones have better low end presentation, better enunciation of bass and low-midrange notes. Maybe a slight edge to WyWires in highs, a 'smidge' more air with them over the clones.

Remainder of mids a toss-up.

More listening to come.

Nick77 · « **Reply #151 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 11:09 am »

I found that is was closer to the 50 hr burn in mark where the bass came out in spades.

etcarroll · « **Reply #152 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 01:19 pm »

Quote from: Nick77 on 22 Jul 2010, 11:09 am

I found that is was closer to the 50 hr burn in mark where the bass came out in spades.

Threw DSOTM in the cdp, hit 'album repeat', and I'll let it go all day.

I've been swapping out WyWires and clones all through DSOTM this morning, they're both 'Money'.

<rimshot>

werd · « **Reply #153 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 07:20 pm »

Quote from: etcarroll on 22 Jul 2010, 01:19 pm

Threw DSOTM in the cdp, hit 'album repeat', and I'll let it go all day.

I've been swapping out WyWires and clones all through DSOTM this morning, they're both 'Money'.

<rimshot>

Hi Etcarroll

I think its kewl that you diy on the cables. I wish i was inclined to do that. But i am not sure if you were offered these cables by Wywires to make an onslaught of cable comparisons of your own make. These cables really do speak for themselves and imo shouldn't be held up in comparison as a theme..

Just my .02 cents.

etcarroll · « **Reply #154 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 07:52 pm »

Good point.

I don't think I said anything negative about them, just trying to point out I'm not getting the same level of 'results' as others are.

But I'll knock it off.

And to repeat, the WyWires did blow away the Gold-Ens I had been using.

Gene

wywires · « **Reply #155 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 10:00 pm »

There is no such thing as a perfect cable! There is no such thing as a cable that is magic with every system. Some cables work in some systems very well but not so good in others. WyWires cables are no different. If my cables have deficiencies and I know that they do, I need help in identifying those. Otherwise, how can I improve the product. I appreciate all comments as they are helpful to me, so please continue to give me honest opinions, observations and comparisons, positive and negative. Thanks!

werd · « **Reply #156 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 10:29 pm »

I have never really been comfortable talking about cables. Only because i think its incorrect that its the cable alone making the difference. From source to pre it makes more sense to consider it as a source component/wire as one component. I find it hard to talk about the cable alone and not consider the source driving it.

It may even be entirely source driven review and the cables just alter output of the component?

I am currently using a wywire cable from my BDA to my pre. and its really improved the dac. I am eventually going to post my remarks about the great improvement, but where is the improvement in the cable or dac?

eclein · « **Reply #157 on:** 22 Jul 2010, 10:43 pm »

Well said Alex!! There are so many variables to consider its impossible to be "The One" to everyone. As long as the music sounds better with'em than without'em its a good thing.

saisunil · « **Reply #158 on:** 27 Jul 2010, 04:19 pm »

I currently have Empirical design ICs and Speakers cables - I like them - I like their construction and they sound neutral ...

Wywires have very similar construction and I needed a longer set after reorganizing my rack.

I got Wywires ICs from Source to Pre and Pre to Power.

I have Tube Research Labs gear from end to end (battery modded CD player to Battery Pre to Dual Mono SS Power Amp and TRL monitors (magico knock offs). At some point I had CRL cables too - I loved them but they are too stiff - so I got rid of them. I still use CRL power cords -- they are amazing in term of lowring the noise floor.

I tried the Wywire ICs with TRL Battery Pre as well as Dodd Battery Pre ...
The wires need burn-in and I do not have enough time to play music as much.

In short - I like wywires ... they are very neutral and transparent ... the sounded slightly better than the Empirical design cables - a bit more detail and texture and tiny bit more bass, slighly more open. Empirical design cables are no slouch to start with - their entire loom has been TAS recommended for a few years in a row ...

I'll probably have to let them play before I report anything more ...
My guess is I'll be writing more about music than about equipment ... in terms of how it sounds ...

Dealing with Alex was a pleasure ...
At some point I might try their speaker cables ...

Cheers

Gopher · « **Reply #159 on:** 30 Jul 2010, 01:19 am »

I got the 'updated' speaker cables and they are back on my Firstwatt logging some hours. I'm going to hold off on commenting until these suckers settle down a bit but I am expecting good things.