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WAF friendly and effective room treatments

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Ethan Winer

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Re: WAF friendly and effective room treatments
« Reply #40 on: 21 Jan 2009, 04:37 pm »
The reality is that large rectangles covered in a single color, simply aren't that attractive to me.

This is indeed the issue, and not only when they're a single color. The reality treating a room properly - with no compromises - requires a large number of panels. Each single panel could be a beautiful work of art! But when you have 10 or more of them in a room that doesn't matter anymore. Especially since they have to go in specific places, not necessarily where your spouse wants them.

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« Reply #41 on: 21 Jan 2009, 04:43 pm »
As others have previously stated, art is a personal thing.  That being said, it would be really cool if the customer could choose what is placed on the panel - a photo for instance.  I have a friend who has been the photographer for Austin City Limits since almost the beginning of the program.  He has photos of almost every performer who walked across the stage.  I would love to have some his work on my walls and would love it even more if the photos also served as room treatment.

I've seen photography printed on canvas before.  I wonder if it could be printed to treatment panels.  Imagine what some of these photos would look like blown up on a panel.















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« Reply #42 on: 21 Jan 2009, 04:46 pm »
The reality is that large rectangles covered in a single color, simply aren't that attractive to me.

This is indeed the issue, and not only when they're a single color. The reality treating a room properly - with no compromises - requires a large number of panels. Each single panel could be a beautiful work of art! But when you have 10 or more of them in a room that doesn't matter anymore. Especially since they have to go in specific places, not necessarily where your spouse wants them.

--Ethan

Ethan, in an ideal scenario I understand your point. But wouldn't you agree that if a few panels are able to make it into someones home due to the artistic covering that that is better than no treatments at all?
Also, I am someone who values aesthetics and decor in all aspects of my life. Even in a room that was completely mine with no outside influence, I would still prefer to have some of my acoustic panels have an artistic finish to them.

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« Reply #43 on: 21 Jan 2009, 04:50 pm »
The reality is that large rectangles covered in a single color, simply aren't that attractive to me.

This is indeed the issue, and not only when they're a single color. The reality treating a room properly - with no compromises - requires a large number of panels. Each single panel could be a beautiful work of art! But when you have 10 or more of them in a room that doesn't matter anymore. Especially since they have to go in specific places, not necessarily where your spouse wants them.

--Ethan

Ethan,
Your statement is simply not true. Using resonators to tune room acoustics requires only 5 small resonators placed in key acoustic pressure points. Not only do resonators effectively treat room acoustics, they have added benefits of a larger more realistic soundscape with more realistic imaging. My Acoustic ART System is proof of this fact.

Yours in music,
Ted Denney III
Lead Designer, Synergistic Research Inc.

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« Reply #44 on: 21 Jan 2009, 04:56 pm »
Doing custom prints of photos is certainly an option - though at a higher price due to the one off nature.  The biggest thing there is making sure that the customer submits something that has enough resolution and is framed and cropped properly to fit on a 2'x4' panel (or a 2'x2' panel potentially).  Standard 72dpi .jpg's aren't going to get it. 

Now, something shot with a nice hi-rez digital camera would allow it to be blown up to proper size relatively easily.

Bryan

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« Reply #45 on: 21 Jan 2009, 05:05 pm »
I built them into my room. 

I have angled soffits that hold 4" thick Mineral Wool wrapped in linnen.  I basically created a ledge along the entire left and right side of the room.  Then the ceiling has a 'bracket' shaped molding that they rest in.  It creates a 24" by 22' long trap.  With wall to wall carpet in the room, and good sized furniture the acoustics are very good.  Not the best I have ever heard, but without sticking things to the walls, it makes it sound very good, definitely kills any long term resonances and the bass smoothness and feeling of proper impact and attack is nearly perfect.  My wife says that they make the room feel cozy and adds to the visual interest of the room.

-Paul

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« Reply #46 on: 21 Jan 2009, 05:06 pm »
Doing custom prints of photos is certainly an option - though at a higher price due to the one off nature.  The biggest thing there is making sure that the customer submits something that has enough resolution and is framed and cropped properly to fit on a 2'x4' panel (or a 2'x2' panel potentially).  Standard 72dpi .jpg's aren't going to get it. 

Now, something shot with a nice hi-rez digital camera would allow it to be blown up to proper size relatively easily.

Bryan

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« Reply #47 on: 21 Jan 2009, 05:11 pm »
What do you all think of this as the first panel?  :green:


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Re: WAF friendly and effective room treatments
« Reply #48 on: 21 Jan 2009, 05:12 pm »
I built them into my room. 

I have angled soffits that hold 4" thick Mineral Wool wrapped in linnen.  I basically created a ledge along the entire left and right side of the room.  Then the ceiling has a 'bracket' shaped molding that they rest in.  It creates a 24" by 22' long trap.  With wall to wall carpet in the room, and good sized furniture the acoustics are very good.  Not the best I have ever heard, but without sticking things to the walls, it makes it sound very good, definitely kills any long term resonances and the bass smoothness and feeling of proper impact and attack is nearly perfect.  My wife says that they make the room feel cozy and adds to the visual interest of the room.

-Paul

You wouldn't happen to have any pictures of your room would you Paul? Thanks. :D

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Re: WAF friendly and effective room treatments
« Reply #49 on: 21 Jan 2009, 05:29 pm »
Doing custom prints of photos is certainly an option - though at a higher price due to the one off nature.  The biggest thing there is making sure that the customer submits something that has enough resolution and is framed and cropped properly to fit on a 2'x4' panel (or a 2'x2' panel potentially).  Standard 72dpi .jpg's aren't going to get it. 

Now, something shot with a nice hi-rez digital camera would allow it to be blown up to proper size relatively easily.

Bryan

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Re: WAF friendly and effective room treatments
« Reply #50 on: 21 Jan 2009, 05:29 pm »
But wouldn't you agree that if a few panels are able to make it into someones home due to the artistic covering that that is better than no treatments at all?

Of course!

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« Reply #51 on: 21 Jan 2009, 05:33 pm »
Not only do resonators effectively treat room acoustics, they have added benefits of a larger more realistic soundscape with more realistic imaging. My Acoustic ART System is proof of this fact.

Proof? Really? :lol:

Tell you what Ted - I'm doing some testing at IBM's acoustics lab soon. You send me a set of your magic bowls and I'll pay for the tests. Deal? I'll even pay for the return shipping back to you. So you have no reason not to agree. But are you confident enough in your products to take me up on this?

--Ethan

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« Reply #52 on: 21 Jan 2009, 05:34 pm »
What do you all think of this as the first panel?  :green:



I think a white panel with a red X on it is not really art (please check your llink and update).  :roll:


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Re: WAF friendly and effective room treatments
« Reply #53 on: 21 Jan 2009, 05:34 pm »
What do you all think of this as the first panel?  :green:

LOL, good show Glenn. There's also this:


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« Reply #54 on: 21 Jan 2009, 05:35 pm »
Doing custom prints of photos is certainly an option - though at a higher price due to the one off nature.  The biggest thing there is making sure that the customer submits something that has enough resolution and is framed and cropped properly to fit on a 2'x4' panel (or a 2'x2' panel potentially).  Standard 72dpi .jpg's aren't going to get it. 

Now, something shot with a nice hi-rez digital camera would allow it to be blown up to proper size relatively easily.

Bryan

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Re: WAF friendly and effective room treatments
« Reply #55 on: 21 Jan 2009, 05:37 pm »
What do you all think of this as the first panel?  :green:



I think a white panel with a red X on it is not really art (please check your llink and update).  :roll:



That is strange the link is right. I see it and so does a few others.

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Re: WAF friendly and effective room treatments
« Reply #56 on: 21 Jan 2009, 05:39 pm »
I don't even see the red x.  Upload it to your gallery here and embed it in the post.  Looks like there's some network blocking going on.

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Re: WAF friendly and effective room treatments
« Reply #57 on: 21 Jan 2009, 05:40 pm »
What do you all think of this as the first panel?  :green:



I think a white panel with a red X on it is not really art (please check your llink and update).  :roll:



The link is fine (both original and your copy)...if you call Ethan's mouth agape "fine".  :)  It's your computer, Bob, that is the problem.  (using Firefox)

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Re: WAF friendly and effective room treatments
« Reply #58 on: 21 Jan 2009, 05:40 pm »
What do you all think of this as the first panel?  :green:



I think a white panel with a red X on it is not really art (please check your llink and update).  :roll:



I downloaded it then uploaded it to my little space on the net. IT SHOULD work now.

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« Reply #59 on: 21 Jan 2009, 05:41 pm »
I see both of my photos too. My site is definitely up and running. Maybe it's a routing issue? Sometimes local web ISPs (Charter, Comcast, etc) lose contact with certain locations around the country or the world. So your Internet still works, but you can't get to some sites.