tekton design mini lore and lore.

doug s. · « **Reply #40 on:** 30 Apr 2011, 07:49 pm »

st pat guy - i'd be curious to get your impression of them toed in so they cross 1'-2' in front of the listening position. i got great results doing this w/my oris horns...

doug s.

JLM · « **Reply #41 on:** 1 May 2011, 11:45 am »

Are the ports of different lengths (otherwise why 2 and not 1 larger one)?

I'm sure the patina of the cherry wood will darken nicely with time.

I'll hold my tongue and not remind everyone that this design uses an extended range, not full range driver (I'm an audio purist, engineer, and technical writer so I have a hard time not speaking out).

St_PatGuy · « **Reply #42 on:** 1 May 2011, 01:22 pm »

Quote from: doug s. on 30 Apr 2011, 07:49 pm

st pat guy - i'd be curious to get your impression of them toed in so they cross 1'-2' in front of the listening position. i got great results doing this w/my oris horns...

doug s.

Thanks for the suggestion, Doug. I will give that a try. That's the best part of this hobby--free tweaks!

St_PatGuy · « **Reply #43 on:** 1 May 2011, 01:28 pm »

Quote from: JLM on 1 May 2011, 11:45 am

Are the ports of different lengths (otherwise why 2 and not 1 larger one)?

I'm sure the patina of the cherry wood will darken nicely with time.

I'll hold my tongue and not remind everyone that this design uses an extended range, not full range driver (I'm an audio purist, engineer, and technical writer so I have a hard time not speaking out).

Well, I carefully stuck a tape measure in. Ports are the same length.

And, yes, the cherry will darken nicely over time. Eric did an excellent job of laying out the grain pattern on these.

Ah, gotcha, I will remember to use extended range driver in the future! Thanks!

sebrof · « **Reply #44 on:** 1 May 2011, 04:00 pm »

Quote from: JLM on 1 May 2011, 11:45 am

Are the ports of different lengths (otherwise why 2 and not 1 larger one)?

I'm sure the patina of the cherry wood will darken nicely with time.

I'll hold my tongue and not remind everyone that this design uses an extended range, not full range driver (I'm an audio purist, engineer, and technical writer so I have a hard time not speaking out).

JLM - Please clarify. The 10" driver in the Lore is run full range, no crossover, no filter. I believe this is the spirit of a full range speaker.
The tweet is hi-passed > ~10Khz (probably lower).

My understanding is that the 10" is a full ranger, but the speaker technically is not a FRSD because of the tweeter.

JLM · « **Reply #45 on:** 1 May 2011, 05:17 pm »

With multiple questionings, with apologes I'll risk getting off topic:

1. The often cited 20 - 20,000 Hz frequency range is an arbitrary definition of "full range." Except for large pipe organ, all "natural" music is 31 Hz or higher. Of course HT and synthetic music can go below 20 Hz. Marketing types invented this range to sell new and more expensive speakers, "tricking" consumers to chase a rather meaningless goal.

2. For the purposes of playback of "natural" music, most accept flat frequency response from 30 to 20,000 Hz as "full range". The Fostex F200A is such a driver (it meets this criteria without a cabinet). But as stated, this would be a rare bird, thus the title of the circle, "Single driver, wide-bandwidth speakers."

3. I don't know if the Lore 10 inch driver can reach 20,000 Hz on its own or if the helper tweeter only avoids "beaming" of the higher frequencies. Often in such designs the mid/woofer is allowed to run "wild" and the tweeter has a cap added to protect it which minimizes any negative effect on the coherence afforded by the single driver.

genjamon · « **Reply #46 on:** 1 May 2011, 05:38 pm »

I thought the Lore tweeter took over at 3kHz.

roscoeiii · « **Reply #47 on:** 1 May 2011, 06:33 pm »

Wow. 3 kHz is lower than I would've guessed...

genjamon · « **Reply #48 on:** 1 May 2011, 09:39 pm »

Hmm, someone over on the audiogon thread was saying 3 khz...

PSB Guy · « **Reply #49 on:** 1 May 2011, 11:16 pm »

That 10 inch driver's response is 44Hz - 4kHz, according to Eminence.
http://www.eminence.com/pdf/Legend_B102.pdf

Cornelis

Poultrygeist · « **Reply #50 on:** 2 May 2011, 02:24 am »

The Eminence driver is the same as used in my Omens but the Omens cones are heavily doped. The Omens also have a whizzer cone but with the addition of a milled aluminum phase plug. I like the front ports on the Lore vs the weird finger ports on the Omen's bottom which makes bass a bit touchy. I'd bet the Omens and Lores sound very similar.

I'm not fond of blue drivers but maybe that's Eric's favorite color.

sebrof · « **Reply #51 on:** 7 May 2011, 11:19 pm »

Here are the Lores in my room in the standard Satin Black

St_PatGuy · « **Reply #52 on:** 11 May 2011, 02:25 am »

Quote from: doug s. on 30 Apr 2011, 07:49 pm

st pat guy - i'd be curious to get your impression of them toed in so they cross 1'-2' in front of the listening position. i got great results doing this w/my oris horns...

doug s.

Doug, I finally got around to trying them crossed in front of me this afternoon. You know what? They sound pretty darn good this way! The speakers do a better job of disappearing in this configuration--meaning the music seems to emanate from the front of the room rather than from two distinct points (the speakers themselves). Imaging remains excellent and the soundstage is a bit wider. Before, the far edge of the speakers marked the edge of the sound, if that makes sense.

So far so good!

doug s. · « **Reply #53 on:** 11 May 2011, 09:04 pm »

Quote from: St_PatGuy on 11 May 2011, 02:25 am

Doug, I finally got around to trying them crossed in front of me this afternoon. You know what? They sound pretty darn good this way! The speakers do a better job of disappearing in this configuration--meaning the music seems to emanate from the front of the room rather than from two distinct points (the speakers themselves). Imaging remains excellent and the soundstage is a bit wider. Before, the far edge of the speakers marked the edge of the sound, if that makes sense.

So far so good!

cool! i am not surprised, as doing this will take the room out of the equation more, and your speakers seem to be quite close to the side walls.

i have also found that doing this also makes off-axis listening better, as the speaker further away from you is facing you more directly, while the speaker closest to you is facing away from you more...

doug s.

St_PatGuy · « **Reply #54 on:** 12 May 2011, 12:21 am »

That's what I was thinking, too, Doug--taking the room out of the equation. It's an odd shaped room with the other side opening into the kitchen, so it's just the one speaker that is close to the wall.

Again, thanks for the suggestion! I kinda forget about toeing in the speakers so much as I've never had much luck in the past trying that with other speakers.

jakebake · « **Reply #55 on:** 16 May 2011, 09:06 pm »

Quote from: zmanastronomy on 12 May 2011, 01:46 am

That's a system the AV and HT people have been using for quite some time.
It allows everyone that is sitting on the couch to get good imaging.
I use it in my living room for suround sound.

Ill have to try this!
I really want to get the lores... hopefully I will be soon.

If anyone has more pictures keep em coming! haha

sebrof · « **Reply #56 on:** 17 May 2011, 12:17 am »

Quote from: jakebake on 16 May 2011, 09:06 pm

I really want to get the lores... hopefully I will be soon.

If anyone has more pictures keep em coming! haha

They are worth the wait my friend! Save your pennies and make it happen.

Jazzaudio · « **Reply #57 on:** 30 May 2011, 04:56 pm »

Received my Cherry veneered, Sonicap-equipted Tekton Lore's May 27th, and placed about 30 hours of break-in using the Isotek CD (3-5 hour blocks at a time at low, medium and high volumes). The rest of the time, quite literally, has been rediscovering my music. Needless to say, these speakers are stunning! Not a review now, just pictures! First pics of the packing and comparison to my Hornshoppe's

Jazzaudio · « **Reply #58 on:** 30 May 2011, 05:04 pm »

Additional photographs of the Lore's by themselves. The light and wall paint is making the cherry veneer appear darker then it is

Jazzaudio · « **Reply #59 on:** 30 May 2011, 05:27 pm »

Quick summary: The cdp is a Jolida JD100 with cryo'd EI 12AX7 tubes from the Tubeman. Interconnect is a My Audio Cable Vibe; Speaker cables are Mapleshade Clearview Golden Helix. The Lore's are driven by a Dayens Ecstasy II solid state amp that drives them with more authority, clarity, extension, warmth, 3D soundstaging, and finesse then my 1.5 watt tube SET integrated amp! It's as if the speakers where voiced with it. More SET then my SET! A major lesson in synergy. On the flip side, the Dayens sounded bright and 2 dimensional with the Horns, while the SET sounded beautiful (albeit with what I now know to be with much less extension on both ends, smaller soundstage, less spacing between instruments and voices then the Lore/Dayens combo)

I'll reserve a detailed review pending further break-in. In a few words: natural, dynamic, tonal, bass so real it makes me want to play it, holographic imaging, warm yet utterly clear, open yet with density. Value-wise....a killer. I caught them at the $849 price and elected to add wood veneer.) I asked Eric for Sonicaps because my last crossover experience was replacing the caps in Klipsch Fortes with Sonicaps. The difference was major, and I'm hearing all those positive attibutes in the Lores. Cant compare them to Eric''s original caps, but no need to even think about it!