FIFA World Cup

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Re: FIFA World Cup
« Reply #140 on: 20 Jun 2010, 07:29 pm »
Korea rules  :drool:

By the way - what do you think of announcers? I find it strange to watch the US team (on ABC) and hear announcers with British accent refer to the team as "them". Also, it's ok for the announcer to be very biased when his team plays (or benefits from the outcome of other teams' matches).... no need to be balanced...

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Re: FIFA World Cup
« Reply #141 on: 20 Jun 2010, 08:41 pm »
Anyone with expert knowledge of the mathematics of probability and statistics knows that the difference in the number of 'successes' (i.e., goals, in soccer) between the two opponents in a game is a better indicator of which is the better team when the total combined number of successes is larger. This means that, in a game like soccer, where scores like 1-0, 1-1, 2-1 are common, two teams would have to play each other many times before we could be reasonably confident which is really the better one.

For this reason, if I were the world czar of soccer I would change the rules so that combined game scores typically would be in the range 15-30 or so. (One obvious way to do that would be to simply widen the net.) This would reduce (but not eliminate) the probability that a good team is eliminated by a lesser one, and also would reduce the number of tie scores.

Another benefit of such a change is that one bad mistake by an official, such as in the recent case with the U.S. team, instead of making a 50% change in the team's score, would have only about a 10% effect, which might be the difference in which team wins.

(Of course, I don't think it will ever happen. Most people are inherently opposed to change.)

Making the goals wider would certainly increase scores in the games, but it would also change the way the game is played.  Consequently, the team that wins in the wide-goal version of the game need not correlate well with the "superior" team in the narrow-goal version of the game.  If the rule change, then, just generates a more clear-cut and statistically reliable predictor of the superior team in an inferior game, why would that be a step forward?   

For example, the wide-goal rule change may well favor teams packed with guys who can kick the ball very hard and far.  And the skillful players, capable of beating the opposition with fancy footwork and speed are likely to become less valuable.  Fewer of them will be seen in the competitions, and the competitions would be less interesting.  Furthermore, a greater premium would be placed on keeping possession of the ball, and on keeping the ball at a great distance from one's goal.  Both of these would encourage more conservative play.  Despite the higher scores, I suspect the soccer would be a lot less interesting

People who go around advocating for rule changes in sports like soccer rarely appreciate that those rule changes will affect many dimensions of the sport.  The idea of the game is not to have the most robust and accurate gauge of a team's superiority, but to encourage the most interesting and exciting contest.  Given that soccer is the single most popular sport in the world, with millions of people in essentially every country in the world playing and following the sport fanatically, I think soccer in its current form gets things pretty right. 

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Re: FIFA World Cup
« Reply #142 on: 20 Jun 2010, 08:57 pm »
If you have ever tried goalkeeping, you would have a better appreciation for its size...making it wider would make it almost impossible to save goals.

The rules has been honed over the decades especially with regard to what is a legal tackle, and lately when one is signaled as offside.

Teams are under a lot of stress, as you can see how the French are just falling apart, and the English just has no spirit...
On the other hand, these players play all year...its a big field, and the amount of miles on the legs coupled with injuries takes it toll. I think they play too much football especially during a World Cup year. That's the only area that needs changes to ensure top quality from all the players. And maybe a way to cut the drama falls.  :roll:

Yeah for Brazil. Way to go. Same for New Zealand. Way to go. :thumb:

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Re: FIFA World Cup
« Reply #143 on: 20 Jun 2010, 08:58 pm »
Making the goals wider would certainly increase scores in the games, but it would also change the way the game is played.  Consequently, the team that wins in the wide-goal version of the game need not correlate well with the "superior" team in the narrow-goal version of the game.  If the rule change, then, just generates a more clear-cut and statistically reliable predictor of the superior team in an inferior game, why would that be a step forward?   

For example, the wide-goal rule change may well favor teams packed with guys who can kick the ball very hard and far.  And the skillful players, capable of beating the opposition with fancy footwork and speed are likely to become less valuable.  Fewer of them will be seen in the competitions, and the competitions would be less interesting.  Furthermore, a greater premium would be placed on keeping possession of the ball, and on keeping the ball at a great distance from one's goal.  Both of these would encourage more conservative play.  Despite the higher scores, I suspect the soccer would be a lot less interesting

People who go around advocating for rule changes in sports like soccer rarely appreciate that those rule changes will affect many dimensions of the sport.  The idea of the game is not to have the most robust and accurate gauge of a team's superiority, but to encourage the most interesting and exciting contest.  Given that soccer is the single most popular sport in the world, with millions of people in essentially every country in the world playing and following the sport fanatically, I think soccer in its current form gets things pretty right. 

Chad

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Cudn't have said it better.

Inspite of the referee bloopers we've seen, i'm not in favor of replay. It'll rob the game of the fluency that i love so much. Interruptions are no fun, and we won't have anyone to be mad at  :icon_twisted:

One thing i'd like to see though is for the umpires to review the tapes after the game and come down hard on players who dive, and/or fake injuries.

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Re: FIFA World Cup
« Reply #144 on: 20 Jun 2010, 11:17 pm »
I like the game just the way it is, however.
Bad call by referee is not only a matter of game integrity/validity (especially when it affects the score/outcome of the game) but direct reflection of FIFA as organization. It is no secret of corruption and fixed games orchestrated by FIFA officials and referees appointed by federation.

Two main referees, extra pair of eyes on the side line and one review right per team seems like reasonable solution. It wouldn't interfered with the game flow in any way. Tape review takes less emotional avalanche (sometimes resulting in yellow cards) and time then confrontations with players and verification from side-line referees. Keep in mind - referee's decision is FINAL.
 

Just my 2 cents   

 
 

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Re: FIFA World Cup
« Reply #145 on: 21 Jun 2010, 04:03 pm »

It was raining goals in the Portugal v N. Korea game: 7 - 0 to Portugal.  I thought they played pretty well, and scored some lovely goals.  What I've really liked about this tournament so far is how few of the goals have come from set plays or long-range shots.  Like in the Portugal game this morning, the goals are coming from creative work and good passes into the box.

Chile got a good win against an undermanned Switzerland.  But they were lucky.  The Swiss guy who missed from about 13 yards in the 90th minute will have nightmares if Switzerland misses the second round.

Chad

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Re: FIFA World Cup
« Reply #146 on: 21 Jun 2010, 04:42 pm »
Quote
If you have ever tried goalkeeping, you would have a better appreciation for its size...making it wider would make it almost impossible to save goals.

One should stand between the crossbars to
appreciate goalkeeper's job.

Had my wrist broken ones trying to push the ball over the crossbar.  :lol:

Saved the day but it cost me 6 weeks of bench time. :duh:

 
 

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Re: FIFA World Cup
« Reply #147 on: 21 Jun 2010, 08:30 pm »
GoalKeeper is a real hard job, and he never gets famouss as any attack players, I never see a goalkepper gets millionaires as the Ronaldos players, Beckhan or Pelé.
Watching closely the goalie bars are huuuge.   An true underrated job until the salary.

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Re: FIFA World Cup
« Reply #148 on: 21 Jun 2010, 08:44 pm »
8 yards by 8 feet.

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« Reply #149 on: 21 Jun 2010, 08:58 pm »
8 yards by 8 feet.
Not know yard, how many cm is a yard??

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Re: FIFA World Cup
« Reply #150 on: 21 Jun 2010, 09:02 pm »
Spain looked solid this afternoon.  :duh:  It would be ashame if they didn't make the cut as they showed today that they're one of the better teams out there, regardless of their 1st game loss.  8)
 
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Re: FIFA World Cup
« Reply #151 on: 21 Jun 2010, 09:06 pm »
~91cm in 1 yard

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« Reply #152 on: 21 Jun 2010, 09:10 pm »
Not know yard, how many cm is a yard??

Yep, 1yard=91cm
731cm X 243cm.   wide x high

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Re: FIFA World Cup
« Reply #153 on: 21 Jun 2010, 09:19 pm »
Yep, 1yard=91cm
731cm X 243cm.   wide x high
Oh thanks for informing, seems yard is same lenght as a foot, nice to know it, living and learning.

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Re: FIFA World Cup
« Reply #154 on: 21 Jun 2010, 09:21 pm »
1 yard = 3 feet

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Re: FIFA World Cup
« Reply #155 on: 21 Jun 2010, 09:31 pm »
1 yard = 3 feet
Oh Sorry my stupity, I was think in metre or meter(0,91 Metre). Thanks again.

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Re: FIFA World Cup
« Reply #156 on: 21 Jun 2010, 11:23 pm »
A cool feature in Google in the unit converter-

Just enter something like "1 yard in meters" into the search box and hit enter.

Very handy on occasion.

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Re: FIFA World Cup
« Reply #157 on: 23 Jun 2010, 03:49 pm »
Gooooooooooalllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: FIFA World Cup
« Reply #158 on: 23 Jun 2010, 03:51 pm »
Sweeeeet!!!!!  :notworthy: A 91st minute USA goal,,,,, who would have thunk it would happen in the last seconds of the game after sooooo many missed shot attempts? It was a Hollywood script come to life.  :dance:

From going home to 1st in their group on 1 last second shot.  :o
   
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Re: FIFA World Cup
« Reply #159 on: 23 Jun 2010, 04:10 pm »
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Thank you Landon, Jozy, Tim and the rest of the boys, you guys are inspirational! But please.. I implore you.. stop with the last minute surprises, I can't take the stress. Seriously.

Un...frickin...believable. I screamed so loud and for so long I scared the shit out of my kids.