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turkey

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Re: VR-33
« Reply #180 on: 6 Aug 2010, 05:21 pm »
Ok, never mind.
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ceedee

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Re: VR-33
« Reply #181 on: 6 Aug 2010, 08:29 pm »

Hello Turkey,

If the woofer is as "fast" as the bass-mid drivers, why do you need bass-mid drivers?

This means that the the woofer match with the bass-mids in velocity so the full range of music will be at the same speed just like reality.

When the woofer is not fast enough you will hear it, bass is not tight and the music more confusing.

Cor
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Re: VR-33
« Reply #182 on: 6 Aug 2010, 11:07 pm »
Quote from: turkey on  6 Aug 2010, 03:02 pm
If the woofer is as "fast" as the bass-mid drivers, why do you need bass-mid drivers?

Someone will have to prove to me that there exists a 10" woofer that's as fast as a midrange driver.
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Saturn94

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Re: VR-33
« Reply #183 on: 7 Aug 2010, 03:32 pm »
Quote from: Saturn94 on 19 May 2010, 02:44 am
In my quest to find a suitable replacement for my ADS L1290/2s I am looking for any Von Schweikert owners (I'm interesed in the VR33s) within a reasonable distance from me (I'm in southeast VA) that would be willing to let me audition them. :D

Thanks!

Still hoping to find a pair of VR33s to audition..........(sigh) :(
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es347

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Re: VR-33
« Reply #184 on: 7 Aug 2010, 03:35 pm »
You don't live on SATURN....you live in VA.  That's not nearly as far from IN  :lol:
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Re: VR-33
« Reply #185 on: 9 Aug 2010, 05:01 am »
VR-33 are on the VSA website.
 It's nice to see the how the drivers look and the inside of the speaker. Check out the pic's of the speakers that they have posted.
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turkey

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Re: VR-33
« Reply #186 on: 9 Aug 2010, 07:10 pm »
Quote from: ceedee on  6 Aug 2010, 08:29 pm
Hello Turkey,

If the woofer is as "fast" as the bass-mid drivers, why do you need bass-mid drivers?

This means that the the woofer match with the bass-mids in velocity so the full range of music will be at the same speed just like reality.

When the woofer is not fast enough you will hear it, bass is not tight and the music more confusing.

Cor

So the speed of sound in air changes depending on whether the sound comes from a "fast" or a "slow" driver?

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turkey

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Re: VR-33
« Reply #187 on: 9 Aug 2010, 07:12 pm »
Quote from: es347 on  6 Aug 2010, 11:07 pm
Someone will have to prove to me that there exists a 10" woofer that's as fast as a midrange driver.

I dropped a woofer and a mid driver out of a second story window and they both hit the ground at the same time. The woofer is therefore as "fast" as the mid. :)
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es347

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Re: VR-33
« Reply #188 on: 9 Aug 2010, 07:59 pm »
Your handle fits..
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JackD201

Re: VR-33
« Reply #189 on: 10 Aug 2010, 07:00 am »
Quote from: turkey on  9 Aug 2010, 07:10 pm
So the speed of sound in air changes depending on whether the sound comes from a "fast" or a "slow" driver?

You guys crack me up  :lol: :lol: :lol:

It's about overcoming inertia. A midwoofer having less mass naturally would start and stop faster. It requires less power going both ways. For a woofer to be as "fast" it would have to be able to approximate the mid-woofers acceleration and breaking.

Impossible? Not really.

The place to look would be the magnet structure for acceleration and too a great extent the baffle design for breaking because the latter provides some mechanical breaking using internal air pressure.

So lets take a tight kick drum. This instrument is covered by both the mid and the woofer. If the woofer can't keep pace, the lower part of the envelope will lag slightly resulting in a kick that sounds sloppy or wooly. To a certain extent it just won't "feel" right.

Hope this helps :)
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turkey

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Re: VR-33
« Reply #190 on: 10 Aug 2010, 12:43 pm »
Quote from: JackD201 on 10 Aug 2010, 07:00 am

So lets take a tight kick drum. This instrument is covered by both the mid and the woofer. If the woofer can't keep pace, the lower part of the envelope will lag slightly resulting in a kick that sounds sloppy or wooly. To a certain extent it just won't "feel" right.

Hope this helps :)

Not really. A woofer either handles the frequencies it's asked to or it doesn't. To talk about it as "fast" is basically meaningless.

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es347

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Re: VR-33
« Reply #191 on: 10 Aug 2010, 01:03 pm »
Thanksgiving can't get here soon enough  :duh:
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turkey

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Re: VR-33
« Reply #192 on: 10 Aug 2010, 01:27 pm »
Quote from: es347 on 10 Aug 2010, 01:03 pm
Thanksgiving can't get here soon enough  :duh:

I'm disappointed to see you start the name calling.
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es347

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Re: VR-33
« Reply #193 on: 10 Aug 2010, 02:20 pm »
Name calling?  Just poking fun at someone that seems to take himself a little too seriously.  Stick around this board a while and you will soon learn that JackD201 has a good grasp on things audio.  No basting jokes...I promise  :lol:
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Re: VR-33
« Reply #194 on: 10 Aug 2010, 03:05 pm »
Quote from: JackD201 on 10 Aug 2010, 07:00 am
It's about overcoming inertia.
 
So lets take a tight kick drum. This instrument is covered by both the mid and the woofer. If the woofer can't keep pace, the lower part of the envelope will lag slightly resulting in a kick that sounds sloppy or wooly. To a certain extent it just won't "feel" right.

Agreed.  The larger and heavier the cone and suspension, the more potential to not be able to move as fast as a smaller driver.
 
Quote from: turkey on 10 Aug 2010, 12:43 pm
A woofer either handles the frequencies it's asked to or it doesn't. To talk about it as "fast" is basically meaningless.

No, it's basically simple physics.
 
Steve
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mhconley

Re: VR-33
« Reply #195 on: 10 Aug 2010, 03:16 pm »
The "speed" of a driver cone all has to do with overcoming inertia, a function of the cone's weight and the motor's size.

There is an excelent analogy in the motoring world.  A modern F1 car can do zero to 100 MPH and back again in less than 5 seconds, weighs a scant 1,364 lbs. and has over 700 hp.  Now imagine if that F1 car weighed the same 2-1/2 tons as your typical SUV or had only 200 hp.  Do you think it would still do 0-100-0 in under 5 seconds?  I think not.

The same holds true for speaker cones.  Light cones with large motors will be fast - heavier cones with small motors slow.  Simple physics.

Martin

EDIT: It looks like Steve and I were thinking the same thing at the same time...  :D
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Saturn94

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Re: VR-33
« Reply #196 on: 12 Aug 2010, 05:53 pm »
Quote from: es347 on  7 Aug 2010, 03:35 pm
You don't live on SATURN....you live in VA.  That's not nearly as far from IN  :lol:

Cute.........but still too far. :(
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theaudioanalyst

Re: VR-33
« Reply #197 on: 2 Sep 2010, 07:51 pm »
My full review just went live at...

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue51/vr33.htm

Let me know what you think... Thanks.
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Saturn94

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Re: VR-33
« Reply #198 on: 3 Sep 2010, 02:47 pm »
Quote from: theaudioanalyst on  2 Sep 2010, 07:51 pm
My full review just went live at...

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue51/vr33.htm

Let me know what you think... Thanks.

Thanks for the review.

These speakers are on my "want to audition" list, but alas I've not yet been able to locate an owner within a reasonable drive (I'm in southeast VA). :(  Out of the speakers I have auditioned so far (Magnepan 1.7, Usher Mini Dancer 2, Revel F32, GR Reseach N2X, GR Researce A/V-3, Salk HT2-TL, and Salk SongTower) the Salk HT2-TL is my favorite.  I'm still hoping I can hear the VR33 to complete my "want to audition" list before making a final decision.

I am aware of VS's generous return policy, but even with that if I decided they weren't for me (personal taste is such a huge factor) I would be out the return shipping ($300+).  Given my tight budget, that amount is not trivial to me. :(
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theaudioanalyst

Re: VR-33
« Reply #199 on: 3 Sep 2010, 10:27 pm »
Understood. I wouldn't consider $300 "trivial" at all, and I completely understand. I can say, of the speakers you've mentioned that I've heard, the Maggies are leaner balanced, the Ushers can't TOUCH the bass - even the Diamond DMD, and there is just something about the SALKs that, though I can't put my finger on it -- exactly, don't do it for me. Sigh.

I haven't heard those GRs from Danny, and the only Revel I am familiar with that has a model number 32 is the C32, which is a center channel, so...

I cannot tell you how very much I hope you get to hear a pair of Vortex VR-33s, well set up with some good synergistic gear, before you have to make your decision. I am UTTERLY overwhelmed by what they achieve at this price… MY GAWD, what a ton of speaker for the $$$. Good luck!
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