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Bryston Amplifier Upgrades Info
« on: 1 Feb 2010, 11:06 am »
Hi All,

Thought we should start a new thread related to questions and info about amplifier upgrades available from Bryston.  Obviously the 7B SST2 with the new transformer change is the first order of business and I will get you the latest info in the next day or so.

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« Reply #1 on: 1 Feb 2010, 11:40 am »
Something else I would like to express is that these changes are 'evolutionary' not 'revolutionary' in nature so they make subtle but noticable improvements depending on your specific system and setup.

Just as an example the info below on the sound quality of the 7B's was stated by these many quality reviewers long before any power supply change was even discussed.

John Atkinson editor Stereophile Magazine reported from the 2009 CES:  “With "Superman's Song" from Crash Test Dummies, played back through a Bryston BDA-1 D/A processor, BPA-26 preamplifier, and pair of 7B-SST² mono-blocks, the sound was simply superb.”   

Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity Magazine:  “My wrap-up of the show is with what I think was the best audio demo that I heard. The Bryston/Thiel room was sublime auditioning. The demonstration was actually from Bryston VP of Sales, James Tanner. His equipment melded with the Thiel using his BPA-26 preamplifier / BDA-1 processor combination and Bryston’s 7B-SST² mono-blocks.”

Harry Pearson ended his 2008 CES show coverage article with the Maggie Room at the Alexis Park. Here is what he had to say: "Last, but, hardly least, Magnepan, in a special room at the Alexis Park, set up a demonstration that didn't look, on paper, all that promising. You had to hear it to believe it: a terrific spread, and for once, quite wide dynamic contrasts, and from a Maggie no less, plus a midrange and high end lower in distortion than any of the company's smaller speakers. The effect: breathtaking. This special Magneplaner demonstration was powered by and all BRYSTON system consisting of: Bryston 7B-SST Mono Amplifiers x 3, Bryston BP26/MPS-2 Preamplifier and Bryston BCD-1 CD Player.




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« Reply #2 on: 2 Feb 2010, 05:06 pm »
Thank you for the information James.  I am interested about the transformer upgrade for the 7BSST my serial starts at 0014xx.  I have a highly resolving system.  Hopefully, I can afford the upgrade.   

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« Reply #3 on: 2 Feb 2010, 05:12 pm »
Thank you for the information James.  I am interested about the transformer upgrade for the 7BSST my serial starts at 0014xx.  I have a highly resolving system.  Hopefully, I can afford the upgrade.

Hi Levi - this upgrade is not available for SST's only SST-2's

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« Reply #4 on: 2 Feb 2010, 05:36 pm »
Thanks for the clarification!  You saved me money already, now I can concentrate on other things.  :thumb:

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« Reply #5 on: 3 Feb 2010, 04:40 am »
Thanks James for making light again of the excellent reviews that the 7B sst2 has already received before the transformer upgrade.  That’s helped me to get both feet back on the ground and appreciate how great the 7B sst2 already is before the recent upgrade.

My understanding is the new transformer is based on developments which have resulted in the Torus power transformer designs. Soooo my question would be, since I already own a Torus 20 amp (unbal), would I already be benefitting from the new transformer design (to some extent?  to a large extent??) by having my not yet upgraded 7bsst2s plugged into the Torus? (recall I have 3 x7b with serial numbers in the 1700s).

Or to ask the same question in a different way:
 (1) my 7B sst2   VS    upgraded 7Bsst2 – result:  more noticeable difference? 
                              OR
(2) my 7B ssst2 plugged into a large Torus 20    VS    an UPGRADED 7Bsst2 (not plugged into a Torus 20) – result: SMALLER DIFFERENCE?

(With reluctance I refer again to the MF review and I don’t recall any of the amps using a Torus, correct?  Which would account for his hearing an improvement in sound in the upgraded amps n’est pas?  The upgrades being like regular sst2 plugged into a Torus, sorta?   maybe?)

If it sounds to you like I’m trying to talk my way out of an upgrade (at least for now), it sure sounds that way to me too!.

Anyways, it was worth a try!

Thanks
Joe

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« Reply #6 on: 3 Feb 2010, 12:35 pm »
^Hi Joe,

Excellent question.  When we were researching the advantages that a Torus supplied to a very large amplifier - namely the ability to respond to large transient power demands instantaneously – we thought some of this technology might be able to be adapted to the internal power supply of the larger amplifiers as well.

So you’re correct in that all we have done is to move some of the Torus technology into the large power amplifiers by designing new transformers. The only advantage I can see at this point is that the power supply is one step closer to the output stage when it is built into the amplifier.

The Torus would still have some advantages though because it still gives you total isolation from the power grid and excellent non-disposable surge protection and serious noise reduction from the power source.

I am almost finished with my Upgrade announcement and I have included a lot more info on this very subject for you.

James

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« Reply #7 on: 3 Feb 2010, 04:42 pm »
A customer reminded me about this review on the 14B SST and asked me to repost it, It is in my opinion one of the best in depth and techincal reviews I have ever read.

http://www.bryston.com/pdfs/07/Swedish14BSSTReview.pdf

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« Reply #8 on: 3 Feb 2010, 05:30 pm »
A customer reminded me about this review on the 14B SST and asked me to repost it, It is in my opinion one of the best in depth and techincal reviews I have ever read.

http://www.bryston.com/pdfs/07/Swedish14BSSTReview.pdf

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Hello folks

Its funny because my amp thoughts are  really just front end gear analysis. In my case the BCD is the real performer and the amp is moot...... Just more power.

That review was very interesting and it highlights the point i just made. When they were doing the bench testing and concluded that the signal in was the identical signal out, it demonstrates that the sound is all BCD and the amp was just responding to what it's being told.

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« Reply #9 on: 3 Feb 2010, 05:50 pm »
Does not a Samsung amplifier also respond to what it is being told :eyebrows:

 :wink:

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« Reply #10 on: 3 Feb 2010, 05:57 pm »
Does not a Samsung amplifier also respond to what it is being told :eyebrows:

 :wink:

 :icon_lol: No that comment was specific oriented to that amp.... two birds with one stone kind of comment. The amp isn't musical the bcd is. The BCD provides the all the musical texture and layering but the amp is more technical in a sense that it's built to do what it's told.

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« Reply #11 on: 3 Feb 2010, 06:05 pm »
:icon_lol: No that comment was specific oriented to that amp.... two birds with one stone kind of comment. The amp isn't musical the bcd is. The BCD provides the all the musical texture and layering but the amp is more technical in a sense that it's built to do what it's told.

Sorry werd, I could not resist that one  :D

Be well...

werd

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« Reply #12 on: 3 Feb 2010, 06:09 pm »
Sorry werd, I could not resist that one  :D

Be well...

Don't worry i will find one for you .....  :wink:  :icon_lol:

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« Reply #13 on: 3 Feb 2010, 06:48 pm »
Tell him one of his 'bots got out and is at the local recycle yard  :wink:

H runs for cover.........

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Re: Bryston Amplifier Upgrades Info
« Reply #14 on: 3 Feb 2010, 10:24 pm »
MEMO: TO All Bryston Customers
SUBJECT: Upgrades for Bryston SST² Amplifiers


February 2010

Hi All,

We have recently made some improvements to our SST² amplifiers and we will be offering an upgrade package to all our customers.

NEW POWER SUPPLY TRANSFORMER:
In conjunction with Torus Power, we have developed new transformers which are designed specifically to have very high energy storage. This is a considerably more expensive way to design a transformer, but it has clear advantages.
 
 A 'normal' linear amplifier power-supply is made up of a transformer, a bridge rectifier and a set of filter capacitors. The filter capacitors smooth the DC in the rectified waveform, and also store energy to supply large transient current demands from the speakers. The filter capacitors in turn are recharged by the transformer on each half-cycle. However, that recharging takes place on the very peaks of the 60Hz waveform, over only a few degrees of conduction. Thus, although the average current from the power cord is only a few Amperes, it is actually a series of very narrow, very high peaks of current, as much as 50 Amperes or more per half-cycle.
 
Those high, narrow peaks of current have a consequence. They equate to drops in Voltage from the power cord, from the wall socket, from the wiring in the house.  A transformer designed for energy storage solves those issues. It recharges the filter capacitors directly from its own energy storage capacity, and then takes up the energy from the wall socket over the entire 60Hz waveform. Gone are the narrow peaks of 50+Amp current, gone are the Voltage drops, gone is the negative consequence of restricted instantaneous power delivery.

So all new versions of the 14B SST², 7B SST² & 28B SST² incorporate these power supply changes. These transformer changes do not apply to the smaller versions of the amplifiers (2B 3B, 4B, 6B, 9B) because the advantages of this technology really only apply to very large power amplifiers with large power supplies.

2. INPUT CAPACITOR CHANGE and FEEDBACK CAPACITOR CHANGE:
We also implemented the use of some very specialized capacitors in a number of key areas in the circuitry.  There is a consistent improvement at high frequencies near and  above 20K, and up to over 60KHz. These specialized capacitors are installed at both the input stage and the feedback loop of the amplifier circuitry.  These capacitor changes affect all new SST² amplifiers.

The upgrade is only available for ‘SST²’ amplifiers ‘NOT SST’ or previous models.
                       

At Bryston we are continually trying to improve the performance of our products. Please be aware that these changes are 'evolutionary' not 'revolutionary' in nature. They will provide subtle to noticeable improvements depending on your specific system and setup.


Upgrade Prices:

7B SST² upgrade includes new transformers and capacitors:
$425.00 per unit plus shipping.
This only applies to 7B SST²’s below serial number 001826.

14B SST² upgrade includes new transformers and capacitors:
$850.00 per unit.  Plus shipping.
This only applies to 14B SST²’s below serial number 000677.

28B SST² upgrade includes new transformers and capacitors:
$950.00 per unit plus shipping.
This only applies to 28B SST²’s below serial number 000180

Please contact Bryston at jamestanner@bryston.com or mpickett@bryston.com for any assistance.

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Re: Bryston Amplifier Upgrades Info
« Reply #15 on: 3 Feb 2010, 10:54 pm »
Is there not an option to upgrade the capacitiors on the smaller amps ?

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« Reply #16 on: 3 Feb 2010, 10:59 pm »
Is there not an option to upgrade the capacitiors on the smaller amps ?

Hi Joey,

Had not considered that but i would say there should not be a problem - I will try and get a price.

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« Reply #17 on: 3 Feb 2010, 11:02 pm »
Thanks James, I have a 6B and a 4B, only a few months old, I just hate the idea that something this new is no longer the latest.

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« Reply #18 on: 4 Feb 2010, 12:19 am »
Thanks James, I have a 6B and a 4B, only a few months old, I just hate the idea that something this new is no longer the latest.

Yes I understand but somewhere, sometime, you have to make the change and please remember as I said these are not major changes they are minor.

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« Reply #19 on: 4 Feb 2010, 12:26 am »
James,

Do you have an opinion on the end to end performance of a system with a Torus installed based on the earlier model squared amps versus one with the upgraded squared amps?

Would the Torus's affect by marginialized?