My First Topic-What to Do

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Re: My First Topic-What to Do
« Reply #240 on: 17 Aug 2009, 12:02 pm »
Hi Brandon,

Assuming all is connected correctly it really does sound like a speaker/room issue. Given your tastes in music maybe a JBL horn system or a speaker that really has huge dynamic capabilities like Cerwin Vega, Klipsch etc.?

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« Reply #241 on: 17 Aug 2009, 12:44 pm »
Let's see what Keith says.  Otherwise please provide some more colour as to what you hear versus what you expected to hear, as noted by Sanjay.

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« Reply #242 on: 17 Aug 2009, 01:59 pm »
Agreed.  Saying the sound is not all that great is not very descriptive or helpful.  I also would like to hear what Keith has to say here -- I'm not getting much information at all here.

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« Reply #243 on: 17 Aug 2009, 02:35 pm »
Hi.  I'm relatively new here, but not to audio.  I think you might want to consider the possibility that your components just don't like each other.  I have heard several B&W loudspeakers at various dealerships.  And I can tell you from experience that I found B&W's really came alive with the right amplification.  Bryston make great amplifiers, and they are known for quality and reliability in the professional studio market as well as the mid-fi and hi-fi markets.  But keep in mind that they are also very revealing amplifiers, which means they can bring out the worst in your recordings as much as the best.  I did some experimentation about a year ago with B&W 801s, and I found that to my ear, among Krell, Bryston, McIntosh and Classe, I liked the Classe monoblocks I heard best with the B&Ws.

It is all about synergy with audio.  Not every speaker will sound good with every great amplifier out there.  If you are interested, we can help you out at Ciamara, but I will leave it at that, as I do not want to advertise our business in the wrong area.  Either way, consider that your amplifiers may just not be the best for your speakers, or your personal tastes for that matter.  If you want a more dynamic, full and moving listening experience, a few slight changes may be all you need.  Good luck, and hope to hear how you get on.

I have auditioned the 802's with both the Mac 501's and the Classe CAM-400's and have to say I was underwhelmed on both occaisions.  Although the 802's were silky smooth in the upper mid and highs in both situations the bass/mid-bass was thin, recessed and just over all "bass shy".  Soundstage was good but nothing to write home about.  It did not sound as good to me overall as my 19 year old pre upgrade setup of Infinity 9 Kappas and a pair of Adcom GFA 555's.  I've since replaced the Adcoms with 7B sq and BP26 and the gap has increased dramatically between what I have now and the 802's in either scenario.  Of course there are other uncontrolled variables in this assessment not the least of which was the three different rooms involved.  From my perspective I don't think the 7B's are your problem.  The Macs and Classe's are certainly fine amps by anybody's measure  The listening room and/or the speakers are likely to be contributing more to your concern as has been suggested in a previous post.

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Re: My First Topic-What to Do
« Reply #244 on: 17 Aug 2009, 02:46 pm »
Again, without having listened to the B&Ws, I would also expect that the 7Bs are not the problem. They're excellent amps in a properly matched system in my experience; clear, musical and distortion free, not thin or flat at all. But a lot of it boils down to system synergy and listener preference.

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Re: My First Topic-What to Do
« Reply #245 on: 17 Aug 2009, 03:29 pm »
To Everyone

The gear is working as it should.Both Keith and my dealer felt that it was working properly.That said given the nature of the music I listen to with such a reveling system,it isn't working out for me.The system does indeed sound incredible given the right recordings that the guys brought over.However it is clear to me that given the nature of what I (Mostly) listen too I will be cutting my losses.

So the gear is for sale.

HI James

I will be returning the preamp and power supply along with the cables in the morning to West End.Again I thank you for your kindness.

I also want to talk everyone who took the time on the forum to help me out. :oops:

 

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« Reply #246 on: 17 Aug 2009, 03:33 pm »
 :(,sorry to hear that,what type of music do you listen if you don't mind me asking.

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« Reply #247 on: 17 Aug 2009, 03:37 pm »
Makes sense 1oldguy, it seems you're quite sure about your judgement by now, so no point in trapping money in a system that doesn't work for you.

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« Reply #248 on: 17 Aug 2009, 03:37 pm »
HI Drummer Mitchell

I mostly listen to Blues,Jazz,Rock,Reggae,
Artist I tend to listen to:Eric Clapton,Hendrix,SRV,Walter Rossi,Peter Tosh,Electric Light Orchestra,Moody Blues,Rush,Eagles,Keb Mo,Emerson lake and Palmer,Jeff Beck,Doobie Brothers,Among others

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« Reply #249 on: 17 Aug 2009, 04:23 pm »
Hi 1oldguy,I too am into the same areas of music(anything that's hopefully recorded well).I use to use 7b-ssts(mains)now 28s but I liked my 7s alot also.
Using Revel 50as.I guess like anything, it's what our ears like to hear.If your taking everything back to the same dealer,maybe he has something else you can audition.I hope you find the right gear for YOU,good luck.
PS: I have read that Audio Research reference 3(tubes)preamp has excellent synergy with Bryston,just a thought.

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« Reply #250 on: 17 Aug 2009, 04:25 pm »
The genres of music you list sound very good through these amps in the sense that they sound closer to live sound; acoustic instruments sound closer to their actual sound e.g. for jazz, and there is lesser overhang with clearer instrument separation, which makes rock easier to listen to. It does appear to be a case of pairing the amps with the wrong speakers; I would not sell the amps off in such a hurry.

If you were expecting big, 'soft' sound with lots of 'soft' powerful bass otoh, a 'mid-fi' speaker system with a powered sub and a less revealing amp may be the answer. Such systems are a perfectly satisfying proposition for many people; less revealing, big sound, easier to listen to on poor recordings.

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Re: My First Topic-What to Do
« Reply #251 on: 17 Aug 2009, 04:41 pm »
It's clear to me there are 2 types of systems out there.Clearly i've lern't this the long way round.
1 Music for the system
2 Systems for the music

I clearly fall in category 2

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Re: My First Topic-What to Do
« Reply #252 on: 17 Aug 2009, 04:45 pm »
Oldguy,

i can understand you and it's just normal that you are dissapointed. on the other hand try different speakers. don't sell your system too fast...
whatever your decision may be: keep us updated.


thanx,

al.

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Re: My First Topic-What to Do
« Reply #253 on: 17 Aug 2009, 05:17 pm »
Hi alexone

Thank you for the good wishes.But for anyone out there looking the gear is brand new and for sale.I won't be dragging my feet on this.I've made my decision.

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Re: My First Topic-What to Do
« Reply #254 on: 17 Aug 2009, 05:29 pm »
To Everyone

The gear is working as it should.Both Keith and my dealer felt that it was working properly.That said given the nature of the music I listen to with such a reveling system,it isn't working out for me.The system does indeed sound incredible given the right recordings that the guys brought over.However it is clear to me that given the nature of what I (Mostly) listen too I will be cutting my losses.

So the gear is for sale.

HI James

I will be returning the preamp and power supply along with the cables in the morning to West End.Again I thank you for your kindness.

I also want to talk everyone who took the time on the forum to help me out. :oops:

Hi Brandon,

OK - please return the BP26 and I am very sorry this has been such a negative experience for you.  The dealer tells me it sounds as they expected so it is obviously the wrong system for you.

james

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Re: My First Topic-What to Do
« Reply #255 on: 17 Aug 2009, 05:31 pm »
Hi James

I will give it to them tomorrow morning.
Thanks for lending me the gear.Not many would do that.

SF

Re: My First Topic-What to Do
« Reply #256 on: 17 Aug 2009, 06:05 pm »
1oldguy:
I am sorry to hear that you are selling everything (except BCD-1). I think most people are in shock given the equipment. I will, as others, strongly suggest sleeping on it a bit longer -- at least the 2 channel set-up. I have a 14B feeding 804S, and on older jazz recordings, the sound is on the bright side (this is a recording problem not an equipment problem). I listen mostly to classical music, however, where big symphonic work is presented with great detail and wonderful soundstage and I love my system. I played Mahler's 5th on the dealers 3BSST 804S combo and there was no going back. If you decide to keep and modify your set-up or decide to come-back at a later point, audition what you are buying with YOUR music on YOUR CDs.
Finally, if your decision stands, you might find CanuckAudiomart, and Audiogon sites much more appropriate for selling your hifi gear than eBay.
www.canuckaudiomart.com
www.audiogon.com
NB: audiogon will charge 3% if you make your sale through them.
Goodluck.

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« Reply #257 on: 17 Aug 2009, 07:14 pm »
Honestly, I am not surprised that 1oldguy does not like this system.  That is not to say it is a bad system -- on the contrary.  It is a very nice system indeed.  But to my comments earlier -- and I realize this is a broad overgeneralization -- there are two main types of listeners.  Those that like a transparent sound, much like what studio engineers want for mixing (i.e. revealing and brutally honest), and those that want to enjoy their music, including the average quality recordings.  By way of example, Krell along with Aerial Acoustics may be at one end of the spectrum.  Tannoy along with McIntosh may be at the other.  I'm not saying I like or dislike either of these, just trying to make a point. 

Overall, if you want to have a fun system that makes average recordings sound good, we have found that you need to go with amplification that is voiced to be musical.  That means an amplifier that is voiced to generate harmonics that "fatten" the sound a little, speakers that are dynamic and fast, but with drivers with soft compliance (i.e. forgiving).  When we put systems together for people, we generally use powerful solid state class A or class A/B amplifiers with high current reserves.  We will add tube processing or pre-amplification.  And we use very good quality DACs if digital is required.  Since this is a Bryston thread, I will point out that I liked the Bryston 14BSST on a pair of PMC IB2s.  For me personally, I found the warmth comes out of Bryston when you use their biggest amps and "overpower" speakers like these.

All this to say, synergy is important.  And so is proper planning.  Building a sound system is like designing a car.  You have to know what you want out of it and build it that way -- ideally in one go if you have the budget, or stepwise if you don't, like most of the world.

And last, I think your musical selections can all sound good, if not great on the right system.  One more step you may want to take is to hunt down better versions of your recordings ...  Maybe you are aware of this, or maybe you are not .... But we have found that an album produced in Japan can sound much much better than the exact same album mastered in the U.S. by engineers targeting radio and iPods. 

Good luck, and let us know what you end up doing.

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« Reply #258 on: 17 Aug 2009, 08:08 pm »
1oldguy:
I am sorry to hear that you are selling everything (except BCD-1). I think most people are in shock given the equipment. I will, as others, strongly suggest sleeping on it a bit longer -- at least the 2 channel set-up. I have a 14B feeding 804S, and on older jazz recordings, the sound is on the bright side (this is a recording problem not an equipment problem). I listen mostly to classical music, however, where big symphonic work is presented with great detail and wonderful soundstage and I love my system. I played Mahler's 5th on the dealers 3BSST 804S combo and there was no going back. If you decide to keep and modify your set-up or decide to come-back at a later point, audition what you are buying with YOUR music on YOUR CDs.
Finally, if your decision stands, you might find CanuckAudiomart, and Audiogon sites much more appropriate for selling your hifi gear than eBay.
www.canuckaudiomart.com
www.audiogon.com
NB: audiogon will charge 3% if you make your sale through them.
Goodluck.

What surprises me is the expediency of this considering his  investment effort and advice offered here by extremely experience people.  the sound can be completely micro-managed through cabling and conditioning. Along with possible source alternative. I know the bcd is awesome but i am talking sacd alternative(remastered)  that offers all those titles he likes. He is going to get the same price now or 2 months from now so its doesnt make any sense not to hold off on it.

Mag

Re: My First Topic-What to Do
« Reply #259 on: 17 Aug 2009, 08:13 pm »
Hi alexone

Thank you for the good wishes.But for anyone out there looking the gear is brand new and for sale.I won't be dragging my feet on this.I've made my decision.

I feel like there's been a death in the family. I hope you'll continue to visit the Bryston forum. :(