[Occam]

A number of posts have been exorcised from this thread on the LessLoss powercords -
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=57199.0
and placed in the Intergalactic WasteBin (as they were off topic) here -
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=63162.0
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In the exorcised posts is my post -

OT-
I'm somewhat confused and incredulous as to Frank Van Alstine's continual highjacking of threads not in his own circle about powercords. His doubts are understandable, but one might assume that he has the wherewithall to conduct his own experiments. Heretofore, he has shown the empirical curiosity of a turnip. 
I've yet to see his objecting to positive subjective comments on his new, improved products, (with vacuum tubes, no less) and would assume he has the capability to apply his same metrics to one of his components with alternative cords.

FWIW,
Paul

PS - I'm willing to install my own non grounded powercord on one Van Alstine component gratis. It would be ideal if a non modified example of that same component were available for comparisons. No doubt it would invalidate any remaining warranty (unless it was supplied by the manufacturer) and it would require my drilling a 7/8" hole at the cord entry hole for installation of an appropriate cable gland. I promise to get the cord polarity correct. 

and (I believe) a AVA product owner (MarkC) followed up with -

I think that Frank should take you up on your offer. That way he could evaluate the difference, if any. If the is no difference or a negative difference is heard, he would only be out the cost of a piece of chassis.

So I am resurrecting my offer here and making it specific to Frank. Send me a current production product component and I'll install my own hardwired captive cord for you to evaluate, gratis. I'd prefer one of your DACs as they IMO are quite sensitive to cords, and comparisons between DACs are relatively easier than other components.

Whadayasay Frank?

Regards,
Paul

Disclosure - I make and sell power cords and conditioners. I contribute to the operations of Audio Circle as an Industry Associate. I don't doubt Frank's sincerity in his assertions regarding powercords; I just believe they are flat out wrong resulting from his lack of empirical experience with powercords. I seek to broaden his experience.

[Wayner]

Paul,

How about offer up some data like a white paper, anything with science in it would do, rather than a "golden ear" approach. Also there is the old saying about catching more flies with honey rather then vineagar.

Wayner 

[markC]

I am not an AVA owner. I just feel that this would be a great opportunity for Frank and maybe, just maybe change his mind.
Afterall, there were no better loudspeakers to be had than his previous ones until he tried the HT3's.

[evan1]

+ 1 for Paul's cables

[BobM]

+2, 3, 4 and 5 (using them on power supply hub, DAC, transport and phono preamp)

Bob

[satfrat]

Paul,

How about offer up some data like a white paper, anything with science in it would do, rather than a "golden ear" approach. Also there is the old saying about catching more flies with honey rather then vineagar.

Wayner 

Now that's funny. Personally I would consider white paper as "vineager" and listening to music as "honey". Guess I'm just partial to listening to music instead of reading about it but hey, to each their own.

Cheers,
Robin

[topround]

Good one !! Robin

[Wayner]

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[zybar]

And the response proves what a bunch of complete pricks most of you are.

I rest my case.

Wayner

And your response is any better? 

George

[satfrat]

And the response proves what a bunch of complete pricks most of you are.

I rest my case.

Wayner

The pot's calling the kettle black,,,, again.

Cheers,
Robin

[avahifi]

I would be happy to take you up on your offer, assuming that you are willing to just send me the power cord to install here myself.  I can then evaluate two identical DACs with only the power cord being the variable. It would need to be a two conductor polarized power cord.

If it helps, I will tell the world, and promise no snide comments.

Thanks for the offer and have a Happier New Year.

Frank Van Alstine

[avahifi]

And guys, no more name calling either pro or con in my behalf.  One has no right to judge another's beliefs, as long as they do not infringe on their own.

Thank you.

Frank Van Alstine

[Occam]

I would be happy to take you up on your offer, assuming that you are willing to just send me the power cord to install here myself.  I can then evaluate two identical DACs with only the power cord being the variable. It would need to be a two conductor polarized power cord.

If it helps, I will tell the world, and promise no snide comments.

Thanks for the offer and have a Happier New Year.

Frank Van Alstine

Frank,

Done! 
I'll ship you a completed cord by early next week. The only caveat is no ripping the cord apart, as the implementation is proprietay. You are free to conduct any measurements on it you please as to what parameters you may feel important for performance as well as any you need to verify its safety for use in your application. I'll also include an Altech cable gland for affixing if you desire to use it.

I'm looking forward to your feedback.

Happy New Year,
Paul

PS - Many disputed subjects have their own partisans, and discussions about powercords, like politics and religion inevitably become heated.

[rydenfan]

This should be pretty interesting...

[funkmonkey]

This should be pretty interesting...

X2

I personally, have not ventured into the world of comparing power cords, conditioners or interconnects, or speaker cables for that matter so I am very interested to see what Frank has to say as a result of this comparison.  Especially considering the fact that he is a well established sceptic on the matter.

Thanks, Paul, for making the offer and backing it up.

...and, if anyone wants to send me some after-market power cords, or IC's or a power conditioner to try out I would be glad to oblige as well.
 aa


Cheers, and a Happy New Year to all.

[Big Red Machine]

How come you haven't sold me one of your cords yet?

Disclosure - I make and sell power cords and conditioners. I contribute to the operations of Audio Circle as an Industry Associate. I don't doubt Frank's sincerity in his assertions regarding powercords; I just believe they are flat out wrong resulting from his lack of empirical experience with powercords. I seek to broaden his experience.

[arthurs]

How come you haven't sold me one of your cords yet?

Disclosure - I make and sell power cords and conditioners. I contribute to the operations of Audio Circle as an Industry Associate. I don't doubt Frank's sincerity in his assertions regarding powercords; I just believe they are flat out wrong resulting from his lack of empirical experience with powercords. I seek to broaden his experience.

+1

[rydenfan]

I would be interested in knowing about them as well.

[rydenfan]

As a side note, I had a friend (who is not a big cable believer) come over and listen to my system for awhile on Friday. I had been breaking in a pair of KCI Silkworms all week. We listened for about a half hour and I then placed my current IC's back in. His comment was that he likened the change to a component change, and was truly shocked at the difference he heard. Sorry if this post has no place here, but I thought it may...

[konut]

I would be interested in knowing about them as well.

Yeah, whats the hold up? Its not like we're gonna bring up 5 string banjos or somrthing!

Good form, Frank and Paul!