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Quote from: ajzepp on 25 Jul 2008, 06:30 amThe second film (and third film, for that matter) in the Matrix trilogy were absolute travesties. They absolutely ruined the magic that was the first film, and in turn made the original film completely irrelevant and meaningless. In short, it sucked. How you can compare that to this film is beyond me...As for the "Darkness" aspect, it was pretty clear that the way the film ended was grounds for at least one interpretation of the the term. It might also be beyond you that there are other opinions/impressions that would differ much more or less than yours. To spell it out...I was comparing the fall off (IMO) in quality from the Matrix vs. Matrix 2 being of a similar ratio to Batman Returns vs. Batman/Dark Knight. Its all subjective, kinda like audio.
The second film (and third film, for that matter) in the Matrix trilogy were absolute travesties. They absolutely ruined the magic that was the first film, and in turn made the original film completely irrelevant and meaningless. In short, it sucked. How you can compare that to this film is beyond me...As for the "Darkness" aspect, it was pretty clear that the way the film ended was grounds for at least one interpretation of the the term.
Quote from: mjosef on 25 Jul 2008, 04:34 amSaw this today in IMAX ...I think the buzz is way over-hyped, its a good action movie but no where near "epic"... the Batman series seem to be in a parallel trajectory similar to the the Matrix trilogy...first one being outstanding, second much more action but less depth/less satisfaction...does not bode well for the third. I would give it 3.5/5 stars, and maybe even 4 for the anarchic questions the Joker posed...but I fail to see the "Darkness" in the Batman's character, they made him too politically correct IMO. In fact quite a few of the human events got a p/c spin (read spaded). But hey, its a 'modern' interpretation of old comics. Now...the preview of "the Watchmen" looks interesting. aaIMHO, the "Dark" part of the Batman character is supposed to be balanced with the "Knight" part. Batman is clearly a crime-fighter, so there needs to be righteousness in his actions. The "dark" part comes from the fact that he is a vigilante. One of the key story elements in Batman Begins was Bruce Wayne's overcoming the need for revenge, when he acknowledges Rachel's "Define me not by what I say, but what I do"...so in this film, it's consistent with Batman's character development that there is a line he does not want to cross. That has been THE key differentiator between Batman and The Joker, and I thought this film showed that pretty well.
Saw this today in IMAX ...I think the buzz is way over-hyped, its a good action movie but no where near "epic"... the Batman series seem to be in a parallel trajectory similar to the the Matrix trilogy...first one being outstanding, second much more action but less depth/less satisfaction...does not bode well for the third. I would give it 3.5/5 stars, and maybe even 4 for the anarchic questions the Joker posed...but I fail to see the "Darkness" in the Batman's character, they made him too politically correct IMO. In fact quite a few of the human events got a p/c spin (read spaded). But hey, its a 'modern' interpretation of old comics. Now...the preview of "the Watchmen" looks interesting. aa
Just got back from seeing this. Must say the Heath Ledger owned the part of of the joker, Jack Nicholson is not that good of an actor, i put him on the same skill level as John Wayne they play them self's on the screen not a bad thing but i haven't seen anything in years from Jack Nicholson that was a challenge or a stretch for him IMHO. Very good movie, The movie tone was darker and far less comic then the first which i thought was a plus ED
Since some of you guys were discussing the technical aspects of the film, i thought you might enjoy this link. The Dark Night was filmed in 8K (8192x6144), and the maximum IMAX resolution is 18K (18000 x 13433). For reference, home resolution of 1080p is 1920×1080. At 8K resolution, storage requirements were 200MB/frame and over 100TB for the whole movie.By the way, i thought the film was excellent 5/5.
Since, this thread has clearly run forward w/ the assumption that all readers have seen the movie, I have to say the way they came up w/ spinning it so Batman was the bad guy was really contrived. Basically, since Drake's reputation/memory needed to be protected, we'll have to say Batman killed some of these people??? WhyTF wouldn't you just pin it on the CRAZY GUY??? Its certainly no more of a stretch than saying Batman did it.
Reminds me of the Spiderman series were they are always trying to spin the story line so the public thinks he's bad. I know its so the movie(s) follow the comic, but they need to do a better job of making it more convincing (and heart wrenching for the movie goer) and not just concoct something lame in the last 10min. of the movie.
Quote from: jonwb on 23 Jul 2008, 09:32 pmSince, this thread has clearly run forward w/ the assumption that all readers have seen the movie, I have to say the way they came up w/ spinning it so Batman was the bad guy was really contrived. Basically, since Drake's reputation/memory needed to be protected, we'll have to say Batman killed some of these people??? WhyTF wouldn't you just pin it on the CRAZY GUY??? Its certainly no more of a stretch than saying Batman did it.Because the crazy guy, no matter how crazy, was still alive and able to able to publically deny and accuse.QuoteReminds me of the Spiderman series were they are always trying to spin the story line so the public thinks he's bad. I know its so the movie(s) follow the comic, but they need to do a better job of making it more convincing (and heart wrenching for the movie goer) and not just concoct something lame in the last 10min. of the movie.In the comic books, Spidey generally had the public's support...it was J. Jonah Jameson who was always trying to paint him as a vigilante and bad for public safety...and I think they captured that pretty well in the Spidey movies. Remember in Spidey 1 how New Yorkers tried to help him on the 59th Street Bridge, or in Spidey 2, how they stood between him and Doc Ock on the train...
Two interesting segments on the History Channel:Batman Unmasked: The Psychology of the Dark Knight. Goes into the Joker and other villains too.Batman Tech. Goes into the suit, vehicles and gizmos.On tonight and tomorrow, check listings.DonExcuse my earlier barking at the discussion, my bad.
Saw this last night. I thought the storyline was great. I felt that the movie ended twice though. Once when the Joker was in jail and the girl was killed, and then it continued for another hour until the real ending. I didnt mind watching more since it was packed with action. Heath did a great part, a nice mix of nerd, tranny and insane. This was an epic batman, unbelievable visuals and thoroughly enjoyable.Mike
why does it seem that most of the "bigger" movies in recent times are always about 20-30 minutes too long. Seems like they the studios like to tack on that extra car chase, chase or extraneous action. I mean, i would think its even economically advantageous to make a slightly shorter picture. In this case, i submit the "hostages " scenes....which went on way to long and got repetitive and even confusing....took away from a real real quality movie, IMHO....
