[chuck josephson]

Ahh now I see... So you expect us to accept at face value that by virtue of the tweaks you have performed that your system (or photographs of such) is de facto superior than anyone elses, no actual listening to the system in question required?!  Right.  That makes perfect sense.  You can tell the sound of something by looking at it!  Wow, are you an X-Man with supernatural powers or something? Cool!

Chuck have I ever said your stereo system sounds bad?  Has anyone else?  Quote the offen ...

I dont want you to accept anything except that it is none
of your business how my room looks.Its my choice not
yours.If you have so much to offer why dont you start
your own thread instead of cashing in on the popularity
of this thread.Truthfully I have gone farther than anyone
else in tweaking so it has to sound better!

[chuck josephson]

chuck, i wasn't offended at all by yer post to me, yust trying to help hantra, who asked about tires.  oddly enuff, it's yer posts to others i find offensive - i guess i'm no better than everyone else, gawking at the car-wreck this thread has become!  

doug s.

Do you find it offensive all the vile bile that was thrown at me especially after I showed what  I
looked like skinny legs etc.Then calling my pics a freak
show.Im going to put some back soon.You tell me whats freaky about them.If I cant educate ,At least I
have entertained a lot of people.I dont think I  will be forgotten for a long time.You certainly know a lot about
tires .Also you seem to be a nice fellow.THey could pull
this thing any time they want but they dont.They were
allways threatening to delete Tweaking but its closed but still there.Look at TV ADS they will do anything to make you look.Its the numbers.that count.

[chuck josephson]

Ahh now I see... So you expect us to accept at face value that by virtue of the tweaks you have performed that your system (or photographs of such) is de facto superior than anyone elses, no actual listening to the system in question required?!  Right.  That makes perfect sense.  You can tell the sound of something by looking at it!  Wow, are you an X-Man with supernatural powers or something? Cool!

Chuck have I ever said your stereo system sounds bad?  Has anyone else?  Quote the offen ...

Nathan ,Now you are on record ridiculing wire damping
and mass loading speakers .This proves that what I said
about your ignorance of audio is true.I have also heard you say that expensive wires are a rip-off.For your information I use 20 ft.Transparent Reference speaker
wires -value $6000,and custom Kimber double silver between my pre -amp and amp.value $1400 .They are worth every dime.but you have to be able to hear the difference .This
you cant do.Also now you put down the noble profession of teaching .I was a regular teacher in NJ for many years and my pension is bigger than your salary,picking up trash in the park.I am a bigger fool than you for answering you.How can you have the balls
to argue with me with my musical background.And that
horrible music you listen to.Made by druggers.for morons.It is totally lacking in musical value.I studied theory ,harmony and counterpoint at the Juilliard school
of music in NY.so I know what I am talking about.Who
attends these concerts but teen agers .and I bet they are all high on something.I could write a book comparing
jazz rhythms against rock rhythms.Jazz swings horizontally so it moves from one place to another.You
can observe this when people dance to it.Rock pounds
in one place never releasing the tension.Thats why it is
harmful.Again I foolishly waste my time talking to you.

[warnerwh]

"Again I foolishly waste my time talking to you."

Chuck: You're not wasting anytime. This is the most entertaining thread on Audiocircle.

[nathanm]

Well Chuck, I don't know what to say; I can't really debate you on things you have fabricated in your mind.  Feel free to invent whatever lies about me that you wish, I think most people can see them for what they are.  Like I said before, I think you are a cool, one of a kind guy who simply chose to jump into a message board and start being an asshole.  You must enjoy it though, cause you keep coming back for more.

I would like you to answer one simple question for me Chuck, here is the link.  It's a very simple question, nothing too hard.  If you could answer it I would be so happy:

What heavy metal and\or rock bands, songs or albums have you listened to? Give some specific examples. I want to know what your frame of reference is.

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=3836&start=0

Thanks!

[chuck josephson]

Well Chuck, I don't know what to say; I can't really debate you on things you have fabricated in your mind.  Feel free to invent whatever lies about me that you wish, I think most people can see them for what they are.  Like I said before, I think you are a cool, one of a kind guy who simply chose to jump into a message board and start being an asshole.  You must enjoy it though, cause you keep coming back for more.

I would like you to answer one simple question for me Chuck, here is the link.  It's a ve ...

I have heard
snatches on the radio by accident .XMradio has a lot of
it.I dont know the names of any of them and dont want
to know.Do you know any of these bands that doesnt use drugs?ITs a rip -off for morons,and its not music.You
picked the wrong guy to argue music or audio with.I listen to classical and jazz.You listen to screaming demons!!

[Tonto Yoder]

That's a good one, Chuckles. I'm glad you listen to a musical genre like jazz which is notably drug-free.

[chuck josephson]

"Again I foolishly waste my time talking to you."

Chuck: You're not wasting anytime. This is the most entertaining thread on Audiocircle.

Thanks,Im glad you are enjoying it as much as I am.Did you catch
my pics last time Im putting them back with some new
ones.I am pretty funny arent I.That Nathan is one sick
puppy.Im going to make him shut up if its the last thing
I do on this site.His head is an empty shell but it sure is
hard .If I can put a hairline crack in it .It will fall apart.He doesnt have the sense to lie down for the count.Im rolling my big guns out for him.

[Marbles]

I listen to classical and jazz.You listen to screaming demons!!

I love the Screaming Demons....Nathan have you listened to their new CD? It's awesome  

See Chuck knows one group anyway  

[Psychicanimal]

This is the most entertaining thread on Audiocircle.

It is!

Chuckie, give Nathan some credit.  He does have artistic ability and is funny...

[Andrikos]

Hey Chuck,
Chaikovsky is the original head-banger. He started it all!
What drugs was HE on?
Beethoven also wrote a bunch of head banging masterpieces. He was the master of them all.
Wagner was the Lord of the Darkness, with him Hitler marched to insanity and mass murder.
Do you listen to all these guys Chuck? You might be possessed too and not know it...

Oh yeah, if you ever watched "The Commitments" you'd have heard them refer to Jazz as "musical wanking".
I couldn't agree more... Brilliant Virtuosos that go nowhere... maybe they're on drugs too!

[nathanm]

Firstly, thank you Chuck for answering my question directly.  I appreciate that very much!  Secondly, let's look at what was said:

I have heard snatches on the radio by accident .XMradio has a lot of it.I dont know the names of any of them and dont want to know.

You have admitted in plain terms that not only are you ignorant of a form of music you claim is so horrible, but that you are willfully ignorant of it!  This is what you come to me with?  'I heard snatches of it by accident'  What kind of BS is that?  Furthermore, this tells me nothing at all of the type of music you may have heard.  It is entirely possible that I would agree with you that it was crap!  The music most of often heard on radio stations is not represenative of the albums in my collection.  I've never insulted your taste in music Chuck.  Please quote my text if you feel I am wrong on this.  I could just as easily turn it around and say "Oh I heard some jazz and classical on the radio, it was really crap.  Jazz and classical music is garbage!  It's not music!"  That would be colossally foolish, wouldn't it?  Well, that's what you've just done.  

Do you know any of these bands that doesnt use drugs?ITs a rip -off for morons,and its not music.

There's no accounting for taste, you are free to choose whatever you want to listen to, but please don't make sweeping generalizations about something you know next to nothing about.  As Tonto alluded to, to think that drugs played no part in jazz music is ridiculous.  What business is it of yours what a musician does with their own body?  All I care about is the music itself.  If I was so concerned with how people live their daily life I'd watch back to back episodes of "Behind The Music" on VH1.  Plenty of crash 'n burn stories there about drug abuse - but why are they on that show in the first place?  Because they made great music loved by millions of people.

You picked the wrong guy to argue music or audio with.I listen to classical and jazz.You listen to screaming demons!!

You're right, because you aren't arguing worth a shit anyway.  All you've done is shown your lack of knowledge, your knee jerk reaction to something you don't understand, and your close-mindedness towards musicial expression which is not to your taste.

Im going to make him shut up if its the last thing I do on this site.

Not gonna happen Chuck.  The only thing you're really good at is stroking your own ego and trying to encourage others to do the same.  If you came to AudioCircle seeking comradarie in the audiophile arts then it's hard to imagine any scheme falling further from success!  You are unwilling or unable to counter anything I have said and your last resort is to (figuratively) jump up and down screaming "Shut up!"  If these are the "big guns" you're talking about I can only imagine they have the destructive power of a Super SoakerTM.

[Psychicanimal]

You have admitted in plain terms that not only are you ignorant of a form of music you claim is so horrible, but that you are willfully ignorant of it! This is what you come to me with? 'I heard snatches of it by accident' What kind of BS is that? Furthermore, this tells me nothing at all of the type of music you may have heard. It is entirely possible that I would agree with you that it was crap! The music most of often heard on radio stations is not represenative of the albums in my collection.

Nathan,

I think a sample discography from the albums in your collection is in order.  Let's say five to seven titles will do.  Chuckie can then go ahead and check them out in all due fairness.  I bet Chuck's in for a serious reality check if he gets a couple CDs...

[JohnR]

Better yet, how about shipping around an audiocircle Metal Sampler collection...

[nathanm]

It is not my wish to "convert" anyone to listening to metal, I fully understand that it is not part of the usual audiophile repertoire and if anyone finds this style to be grating on their ears it matters to me not.  To me it is just like anything else, there's good and bad and everything in between.

I just find it ridiculous when I see people like Chuck denouncing something out of hand.  Tell me "I think metal sounds like shit.  It's really annoying.  It gives me a headache.  It's too fast.  It's too slow.  I hate the vocals."  That is all perfectly sensible.  What isn't sensible is "it's made by screaming demons!  It's not musical!  The rhythm destroys your mind!  I can prove objectively that jazz is the superior genre!"  That type of thing is complete nonsense.  And to come to this conclusion based on a passing blip on the radio?  Give me a break!  Radio ultimately ruins ALL music by its callous repetition anyway.

If you care to look there are a wealth of great songs, skilled musicianship and wonderful lyrics to be found in metal, as there are for ANY other genre.  Jazz and classical does not have a monopoly on these things.  The people that claim such things to me are just as silly as the most thuggish Black Metal purists who feel all other styles are bogus.

You guys want a sampler CD?  Sure, I can do that.  But it would take some time.  I can't imagine any recordings that would be held to more scrutiny.  Trying to find a metal tune that doesn't alienate the prototypical hifi enthusiast is harder than I thought. (thanks audiojerry! )  I would not be surprised if Chuck despised anything I put on there, but if he DID find something positive to say about any of it he would certainly gain some brownie points with me.  Still, like I said before I don't care if anyone hates what I like, just don't dismiss it as music for morons or drug addicts because that is simply not true.  Also, if you think what they are playing on the radio these days is real metal, well it's not.  Never was.  The radio only reveals music that the majority of people like, it has never shown the cool stuff that goes on behind the scenes.  That goes for ANY style.

If any brave folk want in on this screaming demon, drug-abusing, nun-raping, child-slaughtering CD-R send me your mailing address in a PM.

[chuck josephson]

That's a good one, Chuckles. I'm glad you listen to a musical genre like jazz which is notably drug-free.

There was a period in which many jazz musicians used drugs in the 50s and 60s.A lot
of great black musicians were mistreated  many were forced to go to other countries to work.so they used
drugs .Other musicians copied them.Miles Davis and Charlie Parker ,Billie Holliday are examples.Presently most of the new jazzers are clean.and very intelligent.
Jazz is a great American art form.musicallycreative,and
sophisticated.Rock is a commercial rip off of the early Rhythm and Blues which was good music.

[chuck josephson]

Hey Chuck,
Chaikovsky is the original head-banger. He started it all!
What drugs was HE on?
Beethoven also wrote a bunch of head banging masterpieces. He was the master of them all.
Wagner was the Lord of the Darkness, with him Hitler marched to insanity and mass murder.
Do you listen to all these guys Chuck? You might be possessed too and not know it...

Oh yeah, if you ever watched "The Commitments" you'd have heard them refer to Jazz as "musical wanking".
I couldn't agree more... Brilliant Virtuosos that go nowhere... maybe they're on drugs too! [/quote
Are you referring toTchaikovsky?What are you talking about?
None of these composers were inspired by drugs.Are you saying Wagner was responsible for Hitlers actions?You compare Beethoven to Metal Rock?Where is this going?Forget it,Listen to whatever you want.

[chuck josephson]

Nathan,

I think a sample discography from the albums in your collection is in order.  Let's say five to seven titles will do.  Chuckie can then go ahead and check them out in all due fairness.  I bet Chuck's in for a serious reality check if he gets a couple CDs...

Im not interested in it and I dont want to hear it.I didnt know there were so many Metalheads here .This explains a lot.
I wont bring up the subject again.Im getting ready to put
back my pics.When they start calling them a freak show,in fairness be specific as to which ones deserve this label.Got some new girls too.Where were you when
Nathan called mass loading speakers and wire damping
rediculous?

[Rob Babcock]

Hmmm...I think the best 'metal is made by screaming demons!  Hey, that'd be a really good name for a band.

[chuck josephson]

Well Chuck, I don't know what to say; I can't really debate you on things you have fabricated in your mind.  Feel free to invent whatever lies about me that you wish, I think most people can see them for what they are.  Like I said before, I think you are a cool, one of a kind guy who simply chose to jump into a message board and start being an asshole.  You must enjoy it though, cause you keep coming back for more.

I would like you to answer one simple question for me Chuck, here is the link.  It's a ve ...

Nathan ,Believe it or not I have finally found something
we have in common.   Brother Theodore --   I have been a fan of his for years and you use him as your trademark.
I just downloaded his biography and there are also records you can purchase.Have you seen this material.?