Epiphany Audio 20/21 Line Arrays - Danny Richie Creation

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Re: Epiphany Audio 20/21 Line Arrays - Danny Richie Creation
« Reply #60 on: 21 Nov 2025, 01:54 am »
Interesting. I guess you have to put the microphone further than 1 meter... Or you measure with only few drivers connected and then extrapolate... Good question!


Well, the microphone was definitely further away, because the drivers have to couple.  You need to sit far enough away from the speakers to experience them properly. 

These speakers will play into mid-low 30's depending on room reinforcement. If we just took 1-4" driver and a tweeter and measured it, that's just a little 2-way, and will play nowhere near the 50's, I'd bet. But adding all of those other drivers... it becomes a completely different thing.  It's a different speaker and what is is doing down lower needs to be known too.

As I recall Danny explaining it, this speaker below was important.  The A/V1.  A simple, accurate 2 way.  Danny's 5" 2-way speakers are among his most accurate, if not the most accurate.

So, if you measured that A/V1 like normal, you'd have a response. 

Then, what if we put that A/V1 into a room big enough for the 20/21 to open up properly.  We place that A/V1 in a certain spot... in fact, the same spot where you will place the 20/21.

Then, we take a ROOM measurement of the A/V1.  We are measuring a known, accurate response speaker in a room that will have a different response. 

Now, we can't measure the 20/21 like a regular speaker; however, we can put it in the same spot, in the same room as the A/V1 we just measured. 

We have a benchmark in the A/V1 response to go for with the 20/21. 

Now, with "Network Version XXX", what is the ROOM response of the 20/21?  How does it compare to a KNOWN accurate speaker in that SAME ROOM. 

And then... "If it sounds good, it IS good." And you get to that point.

On my network, Danny has nudged the woofer inductor values down just a little bit, 6.5mH to 6mH for both.

As I recall / understand what Danny shared, it's by "deduction" in that general fashion.  It's possible I completely misunderstood all of this and am completely wrong, but if I just made that up... that's pretty good, I figure. :lol:

I'm sure he will correct anything needed... when he isn't chasing after the 300 emails you loons send everyday.  :thumb:



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Re: Epiphany Audio 20/21 Line Arrays - Danny Richie Creation
« Reply #61 on: Yesterday at 07:49 pm »
Maybe this work.  Some caps used as placeholders for copper foil.  Will stare at it, and maybe Frederick will have some ideas. 

Re: 185uF... It's not uncommon to stack 3 caps together like a triangle, but I may want them to lay flat - because they are going on something that will have ~2" tall sides.  The 185uF are about 2" O.D. - so laying flay may just look "more right" - because the big copper foil spacing is far enough so the 6mH can also lay flat. 

Laying everything flat would also make it easier cover the crossover with a piece of acrylic / lid of some sort - if I want. 


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« Reply #62 on: Yesterday at 08:33 pm »
If it rotate the woofer caps, the width / length of the board can be smaller... and the caps being in the same direction may also look better.

Looking at sizing, maybe a 12" x 24" board will work... and "12 x 24" will probably look "more right" than "12 x ?".

Reasons why Frederick's crossovers look so nice are because of symmetry, even spacing, parallel / straight lines, etc. 

When things are symmetrical, "balanced", in alignment... when you glance at it, it just looks "right", and you don't have to think about it.

I wonder if people realize how much thought Frederick puts into the networks he builds before he solders anything.  It's not lucky that it looks good.

I need to get a handle on how big the board needs to be, then I will make it with the idea I have and send them to him, along with all of the parts. 

And then, the layout may change a number of times again.


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« Reply #63 on: Yesterday at 10:46 pm »
So those others are the "Texas Edition". 

This is the "Tokyo Drift" edition...  "tighter confines..." :D

Board now down to ~12"x18".  Stacking 185uF triples... they take up space. 

The resistors want to run lengthwise... so let's funnel them down the middle.

There are only 3 parts on the tweeter network.  So move the 1mH and the second of the 6mH coil up top - opposite corners ("balance the look of the other 6mH on the board")

Caps flow in same direction. Coils on center with nearest coil and aimed properly... "linear alignment... parallel lines"