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DannyBadorine

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« Reply #100 on: 4 Nov 2021, 07:43 pm »
A few glass framed pic removed, a few acoustic panels in place. These are Super Mini measurements.









The waterfall shows that this improved your room significantly.  Even the low end is a lot better.  Can you hear the difference? 

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« Reply #101 on: 4 Nov 2021, 08:47 pm »
Absolutely can hear a difference. Thanks.

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« Reply #102 on: 4 Nov 2021, 08:48 pm »
And still more to come. Treatment up high and special speaker cables.

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« Reply #103 on: 5 Nov 2021, 02:51 pm »
And still more to come. Treatment up high and special speaker cables.

What kind of treatment are you using?

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« Reply #104 on: 6 Nov 2021, 02:08 am »
 ^^^^^^^^^Whatever I can get my hands on. Acoustic panels, giant rugs as wall hangings, bass traps, diffusion panels.

I think the biggest help was pulling the speakers way out into the room so the cathedral ceiling doesn't come into play. I'm almost listening nearfield, an 8' triangle. Seems silly in a room that's 26x16.

  Today I spent the entire day re-wiring both the Super Minis 7 Wedgies with that solid copper wire the kit came with.
And spun up some cat 5 speaker cable wired straight from the amp to the speakers. Wife hates all the wires everywhere but she's a champ. Previous speaker ( in wall and under the house) wire had banana plugs in 2 places making it 3 sections of wire before terminating at the speaker. It's got to be better.

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« Reply #105 on: 8 Nov 2021, 04:48 pm »
 Here's todays measurements with Super Minis









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« Reply #106 on: 8 Nov 2021, 08:19 pm »
It continues to look better. What's different today?

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« Reply #107 on: 8 Nov 2021, 08:53 pm »
Speaker cables on the Super Minis. Haven't got the materials yet for the H frames.

Before cables there was a 16db separation from hi-low from 340Hz on up. With new cables there's just a 9db difference. It will be interesting if new speaker cable cleans up the bottom.

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« Reply #108 on: 9 Nov 2021, 05:42 pm »
 Well well well. I had the H frames wires incorrectly. No matter what knobs I twist I can't get the crossover any lower. Should it be lower?









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« Reply #109 on: 9 Nov 2021, 06:38 pm »
More adjustments. Measurements from listening position.


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« Reply #110 on: 9 Nov 2021, 07:28 pm »
 Taking a break.




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« Reply #111 on: 9 Nov 2021, 07:56 pm »
Wife's just left.




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« Reply #112 on: 9 Nov 2021, 09:00 pm »
 Ans the Wedgies.




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« Reply #113 on: 10 Nov 2021, 04:06 am »
Well well well. I had the H frames wires incorrectly. No matter what knobs I twist I can't get the crossover any lower. Should it be lower?







Are you talking about the crossover point for the subs or the main speakers? I believe you are using separate crossovers, but I don't remember.  This looks like something is wrong with the phase relationship between the subs and the mains.  They aren't summing correctly.
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« Reply #114 on: 10 Nov 2021, 04:11 am »
Wife's just left.




So, if the blue line is the sum of both speakers, you can see that it's lower than the gold line around 60-150Hz.  This means that they are out of phase.  The sum of 2 speakers shouldn't reduce anything.  Try flipping the polarity and see what happens. 

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« Reply #115 on: 10 Nov 2021, 02:51 pm »
Thanks for the reply. I'll get on it ASAP

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« Reply #116 on: 10 Nov 2021, 03:41 pm »
Thanks for the reply. I'll get on it ASAP

It might not be as simple as just flipping the polarity.  I think that sub has a variable knob that changes the phase/delay of the sub.  You will want to play with that to find the best spot for it that makes the sub and main speakers sum the most.  I would start at it in the "0" position and try just flipping the polarity to see what your measurements are.  If the subs are behind the speakers then I wouldn't use any of the delay/phase knob because theoretically you would need to delay the mains back to the subs.  But it's fine to play with the setting to see what happens.

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« Reply #118 on: 11 Nov 2021, 03:07 am »
SMWF



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« Reply #119 on: 11 Nov 2021, 03:09 am »