[bubba966]

My bad, looks like I'm stuck between Dino & OBF.

At least I know who's getting it after I'm done...

[nathanm]

I thought you had excellent control over your woofers?  

[Night Wolf]

wiat, what is this thing?

what is everyone just demoing it? and sending it to another person to demo?

too bad I didn't sign up  

lol, actualy I don't even know what it is. seems like a neat idea though

[bubba966]

2. Nathanm, Wisconsin Performance = 5 Value = 3

The "value" line doesn't hold value with you huh?

I'm kinda actually curious to what it is that you don't think is overpriced?

[nathanm]

It's a shame you didn't Night Wolf, because those cool rope lights you've got would look SO much more evenly luminescent with the DeZorel AC filter!

And the sad thing is, nobody will get that joke because nobody ever read the orignal manual and the new model doesn't have one. *sniff*  Goddammit...  

[bubba966]

too bad I didn't sign up  

There's still time to sign up. Just talk to Jerry.

[bubba966]

It's a shame you didn't Night Wolf, because those cool rope lights you've got would look SO much more evenly luminescent with the DeZorel AC filter!

And the sad thing is, nobody will get that joke because nobody ever read the orignal manual and the new model doesn't have one. *sniff*  Goddammit...  

If the first model had lived we all woulda got to enjoy the manual. At least the second one lived through your testing of it.

[nathanm]

The "value" line doesn't hold value with you huh?

I'm kinda actually curious to what it is that you don't think is overpriced?

Actually I have no idea what the 2nd DeZorel costs, so the value rating is based solely on the idea that it didn't represent a value to me personally.  Remember that I live within a stone's throw of the power plant, so my AC is already so clean and squared away that the Virgin Mary herself would be proud to come over and plug in her DAC. Plus the fact that I was not able to break this one also reflected poorly on its performance rating!  This one didn't buzz at all.  Where's the fun in that?  

[DiNo]

I was not impressed with Fedex ground, Beezer sent it from N. Cal on Friday, and it took until late Wed. for them to get it to LA.

Randy

Wow!! That is slow... I can ride my bicycle to SF and back in that same amount of time . From my experience with UPS, usually only take  1 day to ship  in the same zone area.

Just a question about shipping out the unit to the next person, do we have to insure it and how much?

[JoshK]

Randy has it but what number was he in the list?

[DiNo]

Randy is #4 on the list.

[Beezer]

Performance = 5, value = 8.  My experience is limited here.  I'm assuming it costs around $300, which is how much I insured it for.  I would have expected Randy to receive it by Tuesday at the earliest, so Wednesday doesn't seem too ridiculous to me.  The 8pm delivery is pretty strange though.

Beez

[DVV]

It STILL smells!?  Sheesh!  Maybe someone should swap the styrofoam with potpourri!  Maybe the cigarette smoke film is burning off the parts inside as they get warmer. Heh!  It's a good thing DeZorel doesn't make microchips!  I figured the box would not last long either.  I'm all for recycling and all, but recycled cardboard is damned flimsy.

OK, so somebody in between smokes like a Turk. No way it could still smell of smoke after all that travelling.

Supporters of Castro because of his Havannas, own up!

Cheers,
DVV

[DVV]

wiat, what is this thing?

what is everyone just demoing it? and sending it to another person to demo?

too bad I didn't sign up  

lol, actualy I don't even know what it is. seems like a neat idea though

So join up. Talk to Jerry, he's the Master of the Ceremonies in this one.

Could be worth your while.

Cheers,
DVV

[DVV]

The "value" line doesn't hold value with you huh?

I'm kinda actually curious to what it is that you don't think is overpriced?

Actually I have no idea what the 2nd DeZorel costs, so the value rating is based solely on the idea that it didn't represent a value to me personally.  Remember that I live within a stone's throw of the power plant, so my AC is already so clean and squared away that the Virgin Mary herself would be proud to come over and plug in her DAC. Plus the fact that I was not able to break this one also reflected poorly on its performance rating!  This one didn't buzz at all.  Where's the fun in that?  

Well, if Virgin Mary plugged in at your place Nate, she might not come out a virgin after the experience (but would come out with an even sun tan all over, even behind her ears).

You could say she'd get burnt.

Cheers,
DVV

[OBF]

I didn't go back to verify, but I thought from the original HD thread I was going to get the DeZorel before sending it to Mike in CO to avoid sending it east and then back west again.  No big deal either way though.

[JackStraw]

This is my complete Dezorel signup list and planned order of auditions; sorry but I don't have everyone's audiocircle member name:
 1. audiojerry, Wisconsin (done)
 2. Nathanm, Wisconsin (done)
 3. Beezer, California (done)
 4. Randytsuch, California
 5. Derrick N, California
 6. Brian S, Seattle
 7. Mike G, Englewood CO
 8. Mark J, Salem OR
 9. Mark C, Ontario
10. Briley, Greensboro NC
11. JoshK, NY

Maybe, each member could copy this list, and post a rating of 1 thru 10 as a quick reference for someone reading this thread. For example, here is how it might look so far:
1. audiojerry, performance = 9, value =  10
2. Nathanm, performance = ?, value = ?
3. Beezer, performance = ?, value = ?

Nathan, and Beezer, maybe you can each copy and paste this format, and then enter your own ratings.

Hey, don't forget me (after JoshK). No respect, eh?

Also, does anyone know the price of the unit? I haven't seen a straight answer to this question yet, but you guys are rating value. Somebody must know. Thanks.

[DVV]

...
Hey, don't forget me (after JoshK). No respect, eh?

Give 'em hell, Jack. Forgettin' a good, ol' boy from the land of Dixie! For some people, the Civil War ain't over yet!

Kidding aside, I also remember Jack wanting to chip in.

Also, does anyone know the price of the unit? I haven't seen a straight answer to this question yet, but you guys are rating value. Somebody must know. Thanks.

Impossible to answer at this time, Jack. Jerry and I discussed it, then I talked to Dezorel boys, and the deal is this: first we have to see who wants what, and in the meanwhile DeZorel works things out with their US distributor. Then, when you guys have a complete list, whichever way it goes, as a group, you'll have a better price than any on the market, and I'll make sure this is so, just as I promised Jerry I would.

Can't be any other way, because I feel his no small engagement and if you like, the enthusiasm of you guys deserves some kind of bonus, or recognition. We all know how many times we've been ripped off one way or another, I think it's high time an honestly good deal was offered to us audiophiles (you audiophiles, actually, since I already have mine).

What is crucial here is a list with specific names and addresses - that's the only way the group can be kept within its true limits, not letting any parachutists drop in undeservedly, yet making sure nobody is left out and nobody gets a raw deal.

Jack, am I good for a barbeque if I happen to be in your neighborhood? And some cold beer? You drop here and I'll do you for a barbeque like you never had before, with beer you never knew existed. Goes for all of you guys too.

Ciao,
DVV

[randytsuch]

OK, thought I would post my thoughts on the Dezorel.

If you don’t want to read everything, I think it did improve the sound of my system.  Whether it is worth the cost is a subjective thing.

I’ll give it a performance = 6, cost = 6 (but I’m just pulling numbers out of the air)

Evaluation system consists of Stan Warren modded SACD 1000, a DIY pre using a SB transformer volume control from Bent Audio.  This pre is not the Bent Audio kit, I bought the transformer and used RCA jacks and silver wire from Bent, other parts came from different sources.  Amp is a Quad 306, speakers are Tyler Acoustics Taylo Reference Monitors.  IC’s and speaker cables are Stan Warren designed DIY.  PC’s are Stan Warren and another recipe DIY.  Preamp does not require power, so only the 1000 and my amp are plugged in.  1000 has the SW PC, and the amp has the other DIY PC, which is a four wire braid.

The amp is plugged into a Topaz ultra isolation transformer, which can supply 500 Watts of balanced power.  The 1000 is plugged into the wall.  I use two different AC outlets for the system, Topaz/amp is plugged into an Eagle hospital grade outlet, and the 1000 is plugged into a Pass Seymour outlet.

I plugged the Dezorel into the Eagle outlet, so it shared the outlet with the Topaz/amp.  I listened with the 1000 plugged into the wall, then into the Dezorel.  I think the 1000 sounded a little better in the Dezorel, but the difference was small, and I am not sure if I could tell the difference in a blind test.  I thought things sounded a little clearer and cleaner.

With the 1000 plugged into the wall, plugged the Topaz/amp into the Dezorel.  Listened to a Keb Mo song, the lead in guitar part.  Guitar has playing some kind of high notes, and with the Dezorel, sounded more like somebody picking strings, without the Dezorel lost some of that effect.  It was a subtle but noticeable change.  Heard the same effect in guitars on other songs.  I also think it cleaned up vocals and other instruments as well, but it was easier to hear on guitars.  Also, the background seemed a little blacker, but this was also subtle.

I plugged my amp directly into the Dezorel, and took out my Topaz.  Sounded better than with the amp in the wall, but not as good as with the Topaz.

Plugged everything into the Dezorel, and a very small improvement over having the Topaz/amp only plugged into the Dezorel. Again, not sure if I could pick out the difference in a blind test.

Listening was done with Keb Mo CD, Alison Krauss “Forget about it” SACD, Christ Baron “Steppin” SACD, Chris Isaak CD and a couple of other songs.  I should also say I never heard anything negative when I had the Dezorel connected, no loss of dynamics that people have heard with other power products.

So, what do I make out of all of this?  I have seen posts where people say you will get more improvement by putting power conditioning or filtering on your front end stuff.  That’s not what I heard, for me, there was a bigger difference on the amp.  In fact, I would not buy this for the improvement I heard on my 1000, but I might for the improvement I heard on my amp.

I think it comes down to the components in your system.  My 1000’s power supply has been somewhat tweaked.  The power supply that generates +/- 12 volts, which is used for the output stages, has Jensen and Black gate caps in it, and better bridge diodes.  It also comes with two power supplies, a switcher for the transport and decoding stuff, and a linear PS for the DAC/output stage.  Maybe that makes a difference too.

My amp’s PS is basically stock.  I did change out the big electrolytics last year, but I only put in something from a surplus store, nothing fancy.  I only did that because the caps were about 15 years old, and due for a change.  So, maybe my amps’s power supply is not is good at filtering out noise, so the Dezorel makes a bigger difference there.

So, where does that leave me?  Not sure.  Unfortunately, I have a new amp on it’s way (I hope).  A Stan Warren modded Adcom.  But, I do not have it yet, so I cannot try it with the Dezorel, and I do not know if the Dezorel will improve the Adcom as much as it does the Quad.  I also wonder if you added some Blackgates or other quality caps into your components, if you could eliminate the need for a Dezorel or other power filter.

I will probably end up passing on it.  It did help my system, but not getting to hear it with the SW Adcom makes it hard.  I have a limited annual audio budget, and at this point, I think I would rather put the money into blackgates/superclock for my 1000, or see if I could further tweak the Adcom.

Oh, and I would think my power is pretty bad.  I live in the hills, but in LA, which is obviously a big city, with lots of things to mess up your power.

One last recommendation.  Try it.  For $20, and one way shipping to somebody, you can see what it does in your system, and decide for yourself if it is worth it.  At the end of this, we are going to sell it, and you will get at least part of the $20 back.

I’ll take it to UPS tomorrow for Dino.  Should only take a day to get to him, since he is pretty close by.

Randy

[Psychicanimal]

Seems to me the DeZorel is suceptible to inductive effects and each component must be plugged separately, or if need be, by means of a wired in parallel power strip.  I have not read anything about this anywhere, but it is my suspicion.  Perhaps Dejan or Miki can answer the question for us...