[Krutsch]

Well hello to all BDP veterans,

Just added BDP2's to my setups and I'm really impressed
with the level of step up in SQ vs my MACBook pro running JRiver.

As I watch for long time posts here and on Roon forum of BDP veterans I choose not to jump
full head down and load all my library on the BDP2.

...

But this squeezelite/BDP vs direct computer to BDA over USB interested me,
I may try it for myself but from thechnical point of view can someone explain what's the advantage
Of one over the other and why?

Itshak

My advice is to ignore all of the discussion about Roon and Squeeze, et al., and use the BDP as designed, as you are already doing. Load music onto your thumb drives, plug into the BDP and enjoy. That will yield the best sound quality, IMO, and it's the easiest way to get started.

You may have issues with meta data and album art, but you can still load/listen to your music via Manic Moose - even if you have to browse by folder.

Later, when you are comfortable, move to placing your entire library into a large, self-powered hard drive and plug that in... and enjoy.

[vonnie123]

That's the whole point of using HQ Player's Network Audio Adapter (NAA) to which I refer in my previous post. Not ALL of HQ Player, just the NAA component, which was designed to run on things like Rasp. Pi. devices and is running on your microRendu. The BDP-1 has plenty of CPU to run NAA; should be even less processing than MPD.

Ken

I truly hope you're correct.  Seems the BDP-1 memory gets overtaxed easily. 

[vonnie123]

Well hello to all BDP veterans,

Just added BDP2's to my setups and I'm really impressed
with the level of step up in SQ vs my MACBook pro running JRiver.

As I watch for long time posts here and on Roon forum of BDP veterans I choose not to jump
full head down and load all my library on the BDP2.

I made some tumb drive (and doing some more) with small batch (30 album each)
Of chosen groups and artist that I like to hear with no compromise on SQ.
And starting my way like so.

Not rushing, I have my Mac and JRiver still connected to my BDA3 and all my archive
Is fix there spot on,all with album covers and Metadta.

Most of my albums on the new tumb drives that I prepare for the BDP2
, load well to the MM and the few that were not
I will erase later for re tag or convert to other format and load again.

It is kind of pain in the... but the sound just win it for me.

As I said I'm in no rush I already have enough verity of what to listen,
As I'm catching up and follow every day a bit more.

Reading all the posts regarding the Roon and the squeezelite I became curious if there is any advantage
for using this,compare to Roon direct to BDA3 via USB???

If not what the point of the squeezelite and BDP in the chain?? (Lol catching up with Those therms give me headache)

Does the BDP provide kind of blockade to the noise generate from the computer/cpu/ Becouse
It's receiving the data on the CAT6 cable or what? 

Now I discover that the sound of the BDP / MPD is just amazing to my ears
And understand I wouldn't like to sacrifice it for
The browsing side of the music.

I can always turn the Mac for browsing and playing casual if I choose.


I may keep the Mac with JRiver ( or Roon maybe  ) for handling the library and keep
Running selected tumb drives (selection that will grow with time!)
to the BDP until (if) the real deal (RAAT or BRIDG)
Will show up.

But this squeezelite/BDP vs direct computer to BDA over USB interested me,
I may try it for myself but from thechnical point of view can someone explain what's the advantage
Of one over the other and why?

Your excuse for wrong language phrasing

Itshak

I have had the BDP-1 for four to five years.  It works both as a MPD player (I use a 500GB portable HDD drive, and have a little over 10000 flac tracks /both CD, and hi-res) and can be used as a renderer.  It can be used in DLNA via my iMac, JRiver ID, and in Roon via squeezelite.  I find the Manic Moose software to be lacking, but the player itself sounds great.

HQPlayer is a software program which can enhance the benefits of the Roon sound.  HQPlayer can also be used as a stand alone program.  Since I only listen to PCM files, HQPlayer offers filters, and dithering options to shape the sound.  Those who listen to DSD files have additional options.  The Roon RAAT sound on it's own is excellent. With respect to the BDP-1, the player is not yet ROON Ready, but will work via the squeezelite mode which is selected in the BDP-1 SERVICES menu.  It sounds very good in that configuration as well.  I've only been on Roon for around six weeks, but I'm admittedly hooked.  The software integration for me is light years ahead of the Bryston (or JRIVER) setup.  I went with the Roon, Tidal option, and added HQPLayer.  I picked up a ROON ready endpoint and my setup has never sounded so good. 

[Marius]

I don't believe the BDP-1 will be used for anything greater than an endpoint.  Not enough horsepower.  Not sure what their intentions are for future releases.

IMO, the microRendu in Roon Ready mode sounds every bit as good as the BDP-1 in MPD mode.  I also have HQPlayer working at the iMac, but the speakers at the computer are lacking, and I just use them as background music from time to time.  One thing is for certain, service from both Sonore and Signalyst are both helpful and prompt.

o dear, another high quality setup to check.... Sonore and Signalyst
Compared to Brystons equipment, the Sonore would replace the BDP only, still needing the DAC?
It seems very well equipped. Other than form factor, what are the differences between the microRendu and the Sonicorbiter, i cant seem to spot them?


Do you have it setup with a BDA1/2 or do you use another Dac? Maybe Anonamemouse's Shiit Gungnir Re: What is your latest acquisition?
Lot of wonderful machines out there


Marius

[Krutsch]

It seems very well equipped. Other than form factor, what are the differences between the microRendu and the Sonicorbiter, i cant seem to spot them?

The Sonicorbitor is basically a Cubox-IPro4 with the standard Volumio-like software, MPD + DLNA w/ OpenHome, except they've added RoonBridge. The microRendu is USB only and is claimed to have a very low-noise USB signal path (as well as the software features described for the cheaper component). A very healthy following on Computer Audiophile for this product.

[Marius]

The Sonicorbitor is basically a Cubox-IPro4 with the standard Volumio-like software, MPD + DLNA w/ OpenHome, except they've added RoonBridge. The microRendu is USB only and is claimed to have a very low-noise USB signal path (as well as the software features described for the cheaper component). A very healthy following on Computer Audiophile for this product.

So not needing the optical output, would make one prefer the microrendu? Otherwise they're the same?
And just to be sure: it takes its files from a Network location, just like the BDP would on a networkshare? No local storage possible. Although i can't see any usb ports, on the orbiter it reads: The Drive Mounter app mounts USB drives.?


edit: this and this would explain things     now to find out if it runs Plex...

[Krutsch]

The Cubox-i (SonicOrbitor) runs MPD and allows direct connected USB drives (Flash or HDD) - works like the BDP, in this manner.

The microRendu is an optimized device for streaming playback only - ethernet to USB to DAC - using your choice of streaming protocols.

[Marius]

The Cubox-i (SonicOrbitor) runs MPD and allows direct connected USB drives (Flash or HDD) - works like the BDP, in this manner.

The microRendu is an optimized device for streaming playback only - ethernet to USB to DAC - using your choice of streaming protocols.

Thanks Ken, Vonnie, for opening a whole new world... choices choices.
Marius

[vonnie123]

o dear, another high quality setup to check.... Sonore and Signalyst
Compared to Brystons equipment, the Sonore would replace the BDP only, still needing the DAC?
It seems very well equipped. Other than form factor, what are the differences between the microRendu and the Sonicorbiter, i cant seem to spot them?


Do you have it setup with a BDA1/2 or do you use another Dac? Maybe Anonamemouse's Shiit Gungnir Re: What is your latest acquisition?
Lot of wonderful machines out there


Marius

The microRendu still requires a DAC.  Mine is pairing with an early version Wyred4Sound DAC-2 (non DSD).  Clock has been upgraded to femto clock.  Sonicorbiter is a CuBox, and microRendu is a specically designed renderer from Sonore and John Swenson (who was also on the Uptone USB Regen project)  They use the same software. The software works in squeezelite, DLNA/MPD, Roon Ready, and NAA.  Both are USB output devices.  The Sonicorbiter also provides for toslink out (No AES/EBU, or digital coax).

BDP-1 would be a great endpoint if Bryston could get the software compliant with Roon.  Afraid competing priorities have put the Roon compliance project back in queue for an undetermined time. 

[vonnie123]

So not needing the optical output, would make one prefer the microrendu? Otherwise they're the same?
And just to be sure: it takes its files from a Network location, just like the BDP would on a networkshare? No local storage possible. Although i can't see any usb ports, on the orbiter it reads: The Drive Mounter app mounts USB drives.?


edit: this and this would explain things     now to find out if it runs Plex...

The microRendu works off the network.  Small Green Computer also makes a storage device called the SonicTransporter you can attach an HDD to (or purchase with an internal drive).

http://microjukebox.com/products/sonictransporter

[Yitshak]

...You may have issues with meta data and album art, but you can still load/listen to your music via Manic Moose - even if you have to browse by folder.

Later, when you are comfortable, move to placing your entire library into a large, self-powered hard drive and plug that in... and enjoy.

Guess I already am

4 TB self powers connected
15000 file load.

And sound is amazing the reverb on vocals (like real spring reverb not computer generated
If one is familiar with this things) and the highs ...Class A like,
almost can't believe the 4b sst2 is an A/B amp ... The sound coming out the Mini T's
Using the BDP is Simply amazing.

If later on a first rate "auto metadata fixer plug in" will be available
( to fix for us the album that load loony ) Then I will be pleased even more,
as quick browsing by folder is not an issue.

New Edit /
for now I found I can bypass the issue of album that load loony by saving them in correct
Song Order as playlist it's very easy to do and this way they can be played as well / End of Edit.

Roon and Roon like is the future? ...well it is and I believe it wil be sorted this way or the other
As in general all is doable.

[Krutsch]

Guess I already am

...

If later on a first rate "auto metadata fixer plug in" will be available
( to fix for us the album that load loony ) Then I will be pleased even more,
as quick browsing by folder is not an issue.

Ask and you shall receive: http://www.blisshq.com

[vcwatkins]

Ask and you shall receive: http://www.blisshq.com

Interesting.  Thanks!

[Yitshak]

Ask and you shall receive: http://www.blisshq.com

looks quite the bliss indeed though it's look that in can apply
only if the hard drive is NAS.

Thanks a bunch Krutsch

Itshak

[Marius]

Ended my Roon trial. Though looking wonderful, i still feel it is a lot of Bling, adding no real useful extra to my own habit of browsing my own music. Plex gives me the same cross related info, only better concentrated on my own library. And as a plus, makes it available wherever i am.
I tend to dislike being steered to commercially driven selections, and especially with the Tidal combination, which does work very nice, i feel being manipulated too much.


If i want to browse the rest of the world, ill use spotify or iTunes  for now...

And wait for Bryston to be a Roon Endpoint, that might be a reason to kick back in again.

Cheers,
Marius

[Marius]

Got some nice feedback from Kevin at Roon Labs, evaluating my trial and experience, which might be of interest for AC'ers waiting for the Bryston/Roon combo:

"Thanks for the extra feedback! We really appreciate it. It sounds like we're working on the things you need (Bryston support and better classical), so keep an eye on our forums to track our progress, and we hope to see you back soon"

Cheers,
Marius

[miatadan]

Does the Bryston Pi support Roon ? If using Roon , Tidal is supported with Roon interface

Dan