[Andre2]

   See, all?  Value vs rip-off, rolex vs PP 

Russel, I actually get what you were saying  If you go further above you will see I was checking the PP just Sunday night.  The problem is, patek starts at $50k.

[Diamond Dog]

Expensive cars and watches aren't good examples. The makers of those products don't distort or re-write the laws of physics to sell them. How come truth in advertising laws don't apply to these people? I don't care if you want to spend money on expensive cables, but if you're being lied to, yea, then I care.

Doc.

The makers of expensive cars and watches ( or rather the professionals they hire to market them on their behalf ) don't distort the laws of physics in order to sell them because they aren't selling them based on improved performance like you would an ultra- premium piece of hi-fi. Instead, they distort reality because they are selling those items based on the premise that owning them will make you more attractive, popular, successful and happy. Whether or not you buy into that is ultimately up to you and how you view yourself and the world around you. How are you proposing to legislate against that ?

As to your second point, at this stage I don't think anyone doubts that you care, Doc. If anything, perhaps you care too much...

D.D.

[Chromisdesigns]

Expensive cars and watches aren't good examples. The makers of those products don't distort or re-write the laws of physics to sell them. How come truth in advertising laws don't apply to these people? I don't care if you want to spend money on expensive cables, but if you're being lied to, yea, then I care.

Doc.

I agree with part of this, at least, regarding "re-writing the laws of physics"...if an audio manufacturer makes statements that are, in my OWN opinion, prima-facia ridiculous, I won't buy their products, and I will feel free to offer my opnion on the matter.

On the other hand, you can buy essentially the identical product, or one of equivalent quality and performance (on any given measure) in many markets at wildly different price points.  Since I have experience in the jewelry trade, the obvious example of a Tiffany wedding ring comes to mind.
 
Leaving aside copies of their trademarked designs (which they are entitled to), you can still buy essentially identical rings from any number of jewelers for a significant fraction of Tiffany's price.  So what, exactly, are they selling?

The brand, and the "perceived value", of course.

[medium jim]

15 pages....no true concensus, just aggrevated ego's.

Jim

[Andre2]

Now, it appears that medium jim is offending everybody who posted in this thread, are you Jim?
 
 

Russel, that watch website is good and I did not know about it.  Thank you.

[werd]

Oh yah let's not forget! anything for sale over  250 bucks that has to do with car audio 

[TONEPUB]

I know when mfrs. tell us about "proprietary" this and that, I always bristle, because at this point in the audio continuum, there's precious little proprietary anything anymore.

 

[medium jim]

Won't be much longer before this thread is binned, especially now that the kiddies have found it!

Jim

[persisting1]

Rolex makes a good piece, but there's a lot of hype (advertising/status symbol) around it too. They retain their value, but there are many other watches that are "better" 

[Rclark]

care to name a few? I'm looking to get a better watch here eventually. Been using this stainless Swiss made Wenger an ex bought me five years ago.

[persisting1]

care to name a few? I'm looking to get a better watch here eventually. Been using this stainless Swiss made Wenger an ex bought me five years ago.

Sure, I'll PM you so I don't continue to keep this thread off topic.

[wushuliu]

Sure, I'll PM you so I don't continue to keep this thread off topic.

Too late by about 15 pages. Why don't you list them. We'll figure out how to tie it all in to Nordost
cables and the Apocalypse later.

[doug s.]

care to name a few? I'm looking to get a better watch here eventually. Been using this stainless Swiss made Wenger an ex bought me five years ago.

i like my luminox.  i can actually see it in dim light, and when it's dark.   


mine looks like this one, but w/white face and sst band:


i want one of these:


doug s.

[doug s.]

here's an example of #2 - a company that only changes the name of the product; it's not even retooled.  but it is marked up anywhere from 3 to 8 times the price you can get w/the "inferior label".  i own one of the older integrated amps w/the "inferior label".  they used to sell for $2k; the one i own sold for $250.  it is a decent amp.

http://www.redrosemusic.com/

total rip off.  yes, johnr, i think they know they could sell their products for less.   

doug s.

And rightfully so, this company went under rather quickly I might add.

Unfortunately, Leica does this with most of their compact cameras.  They are all rebadged Panasonics,
albeit with Japanese made Leica lenses, but only one or two of the top compacts have additional functionality
over the Panasonic model costing 60% less.

red rose went under?     their website is still active...  i cannot say i would feel too badly if they're gone, tho.   

doug s.

[doug s.]

For the record, I really enjoy Tone Magazine, and all of Tonepub's posts, AND Doug.S is someone who's opinion I trust very much, having spoken to him in depth. I think both these guys have a lot of experience, and I think that if we were in a pub right now, instead of on a forum, the same discussion could be had, as enjoyable as this one. Text only conversations seem far more aggressive than their real life counterpart.

 Let's not make this what it isn't.

thanks, rclark, for your wote of confidence.

i agree that text-only conwersations can come across as more aggressive than face-to-face encounters.  perhaps a lot of angst could be awoided if folks were more sensitive to this.

and, i don't think this thread is all about tonepub; i think it may seem a bit canted cuz he's the only rewiewer here that is responding.  and, in fairness, i don't think he's all that much like the typical rewiewers that write for s'phile/tas/etc...

tho, as i said before, even if i did have big bucks, while i could easily see dropping big dollars for speakers, (think genesis 1.2's, jadis eurythmie's, german physics loreley's, piega coax 90.2, pipedreams series 4 mkll, to name a few i'd love to sample), the cabling would still be rather pedestrian.     the preamp, tho - i might have to part ways w/my beloved melos for one of bill baker's masterpieces - the purity audio ultra gt w/silver autoformer upgrade.  i have heard rim's purity audio silver statement, and all i can say is *wow*!  but, since i am dreaming, why not go whole hog and get the "ne plus ultra"?   and of course, i'd need to top it off w/this:


 

doug s.

[Jim N.]

Ok, my favorite high end prank http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina60.htm

cheers,

AJ

Hee hee hee....clicked on the link and Firefox WOT threw up a splash screen that Meshuggahdimwittica has a poor reputation for Trustworthiness, Vendor Reliability and Privacy.  However, it is safe for children!

[doug s.]

Ok, my favorite high end prank http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina60.htm

Hee hee hee....clicked on the link and Firefox WOT threw up a splash screen that Meshuggahdimwittica has a poor reputation for Trustworthiness, Vendor Reliability and Privacy.  However, it is safe for children!

all you machina dynamica fans will love this:

Posted by geoffkait (M) on February 3, 2012 at 13:41:00
In Reply to: RE: So it's no longer safe to buy on Audiogon? posted by Goemon on February 3, 2012 at 13:23:41:
Apparently You're as paranoid as your sources. Did you bite on one of those Nigerian scams?

Posted by doug s. (A) on February 10, 2012 at 22:55:27
In Reply to: RE: So it's no longer safe to buy on Audiogon? posted by geoffkait on February 3, 2012 at 13:41:00:
LOL! sorry, i couldn't help it, too funny! if products sold by machina dynamica are any different than a nigerian scam, i don't know what it is! :>)
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/general/messages/61/614553.html

(for those who don't know, geoff kait is the owner of m/d.)   

doug s.

[TRADERXFAN]

i like my luminox.  i can actually see it in dim light, and when it's dark.   

I have a luminox too.
http://www.outdoorpros.com/Prod/Luminox-3210-Navy-Seal-Steel-Dive-Watch-Silver-Dial-Steel-Bracelet/37406/Cat/1471
 Its awesome. It was about 250 at jomashop.com (good prices) about 7 years ago.  I love being able to READ the time in complete pitch black. I had some timex crap before that would light up but still couldn't read the time. (--Now whatever powers this is going to probably kill us, but hey, we always can see what time it is)  Oh and it keeps pretty good time and NO scratches even with everyday wear.

btw -why are we talking watches here?

[Rclark]

Those look sweet.

[Russell Dawkins]

.Staying seemingly off topic for just a moment more - this is about the nicest collection of watches I have seen on one site; the European Watch Company of Boston. Check out these chronometers:
http://www.europeanwatch.com/index.htm   (click on "Chronograph" under "complications").

Here are a couple of teasers: