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Try to forgive Nathan, he's another product of the Catholic church......
The Priest didn't even mind that I wasn't baptised.
Neither the entire hologram nor any individual piece offers direct evidence of the super-natural or God. Yet, buried within the complex majesty of its framework is a set of inter-connected principles that suggest a type of "divine reason" or "logos" guiding its very operation. We find that these inter-connected principles cross over boundries, from one discipline to another and extend in every direction. As we come to understand them, we see even deeper into this framwork and how the logic extends into the purpose and meaning of our lives. Stepping back from it all, we then can see that such logic could not possibly be the by-product of chance, but rather the result of a greater and more divine master plan.
people like osama bin laden & george w bush come to mind... and, unfortunately, people like sp prez also come to mind. people w/ith views like this are exclusionary, & necessarily offend those whose beliefs may differ.
I suppose all the TV evangelists ought to just “shut up" ‘cause little Dougy doesn’t like to hear someone stand up and tell the world what they believe – he gets offended so easily you know. It’s called “prothelizing” and the Christian Church along with every individual believer is commanded to share ‘the Good News.”
And what about all the missions from this country going to other parts of the world? Hell, there’s 15 year old kids going to places like Haiti to help feed the starving children there and share their faith with them. I suppose they shouldn’t do that though, better to let the little bastards starve – right? – wouldn’t want to offend them.
What have you done to help anyone lately? Those teenagers (and there’s many of them) spend their summer vacations trying to make the world a better place while smarmy little whiners like you sit back in judgment and condemnation of them all.
i find it unfortunate for two reasons - 1st, i think it causes evil, in the ways suggested by nathan, & 2nd, sp prez has a product i'd be wery interested in, save for the fact that i cannot knowingly support what i feel is evil.
well, no one on this earth knows for sure whether or not there is a god, supreme being, or whatever else you may wanna call it.
If it wasn’t for the very religion you slam, you wouldn’t have the freedom to post your smart-assed little snide remarks and comments here, or to do much of anything else for that matter, if it wasn’t for Christianity.
John Casler seems to understand this, he doesn’t believe in God but he still has good sense and manners as far as how to conduct himself. I enjoy and appreciate folks like him and encourage others of the same… if they can follow his example.
Do you believe in freedom? How about every man being equal? Sound like good ideas? If it wasn’t for the very religion you slam, you wouldn’t have the freedom to post your smart-assed little snide remarks and comments here, or to do much of anything else for that matter, if it wasn’t for Christianity. Our entire western civilization and the freedoms you take for granted were the result of the Judeo-Christian doctrines that have developed through the centuries. Check out your history concerning the Renaissance. ...
OK Everybody,This is starting to get a little out of hand. You may choose not to believe in God or whatever, but on this circle I’m as close as you’re gonna get. You can spout off your opinions about God, Satan, Buddha or the little fairies in your garden all you want but it’s going to come to a screeching halt when you slam another religion to make your point.
Doug s. – I don’t have a problem with your opinions, it’s your hypocrisy. You suggest that my/our profession of faith in Christianity is some how offensive to those whose beliefs differ. Once, a while back, you mentioned that you wouldn’t have a problem with it if I kept it in church. Well guess what, every church I’ve ever seen has a great big sign out front telling the world what denomination they are. I suppose you think it wrong for the Baptists to put a sign outside saying that they’re Baptists because it might offend the Catholics – good grief! -- Then not to mention the Catholics and their big sign offending the Muslims?I suppose all the TV evangelists ought to just “shut up" ‘cause little Dougy doesn’t like to hear someone stand up and tell the world what they believe – he gets offended so easily you know. It’s called “prothelizing” and the Christian Church along with every individual believer is commanded to share ‘the Good News.” And what about all the missions from this country going to other parts of the world? Hell, there’s 15 year old kids going to places like Haiti to help feed the starving children there and share their faith with them. I suppose they shouldn’t do that though, better to let the little bastards starve – right? – wouldn’t want to offend them. What have you done to help anyone lately? Those teenagers (and there’s many of them) spend their summer vacations trying to make the world a better place while smarmy little whiners like you sit back in judgment and condemnation of them all.
Quote:people like osama bin laden & george w bush come to mind... and, unfortunately, people like sp prez also come to mind. people with views like this are exclusionary, & necessarily offend those whose beliefs may differ.You crack me up. Gee, I didn’t know I had so much power. Just think - me, George Bush and Osama… all in the same sentence! Guess what, I believe the earth is round too and I suppose I shouldn’t say that either. Might offend the folks from the “Flat earth Society.” http://www.flat-earth.org/
You’re a nut. But that’s OK; I generally like nuts – all kinds.
What I don’t like and will not permit is the defamation of someone of faith that works to help others.
You may not like Dr. Laura and that’s fine. I generally like her but I think she’s a little harsh and legalistic at times too. Never the less, you’re not going to get away with posting some half baked, smart-assed comment like the one above from someone that clearly has no understanding or scriptural education, and use it to slam people of faith. Oh… you didn’t write it? Yeah, well you posted it so it’s yours pal. And to think you have a problem with the possibility of offending people…B-R-O-T-H-E-R...what a hypocrite. If I were a Jew, and particularly Dr. Laura, I sure would be offended. As a matter of fact, I am anyway – Mr. "Politically Correct."
Your problem is that you don't know what to believe so you're offended at the suggestion that somebody else besides yourself may have it figured out (not really). From your description of your "bigger thing" it sure sounds like you've got it all figured out. Sounds like you make up your own rules as you go along as well as your belief system. I guess if you make the rules you can break them anytime you want. God in a universe of one - that's original.
I shouldn’t even honor that litany of sarcasm with a response, but for others that have already read it and find those passages extreme, a little education is in order. Those scriptures are taken out of context. In order to understand Biblical scripture, you must consider it within the context of the time and structure of the society for whom it was intended.Without getting too deep, the ancient Jews where called out of the barbaric world around them, starting with Abraham. These people lived in a world where slavery, murder, theft, and gross sexual perversions including bestiality were a natural way of life. Hygiene was not understood and disease was rampant. They did not have the benefit of modern science and medicine to guide them in making healthy decisions, neither did they understand how the teachings of their prior mythologies and gods were the source of much self destructive behavior.They needed to be “taught” by God in a rather harsh way, much as a severely rebellious child needs to be “shaken up” in order to get his attention. That is the reason for many of the ancient Jewish laws and traditions. For instance, since bacterial and viral infections were not understood, how could God explain trichinosis in pork? We have to salt the heck out of it even today in order to prevent this terrible disease. Better to just tell them not to eat it. Oh yeah, did you know you can die from a urinary tract infection? - Easy to get from a woman on her period. They didn't have penicillin back then you know. This is all pretty easy to understand...IF YOU DON’T TAKE IT OUT OF CONTEXT!!!
So…I am letting it be known now. From here on out, no slamming such as the above or it will end up in the Galactic Waste Bin. How do you know what, and what is not permitted? Well, I’m going to force you to use the God given common sense you should have developed as you grew up. It’s sort of like pornography – you know it when you see it. Figure it out…or else. As long as this is my circle, that’s the way it is. John Casler seems to understand this, he doesn’t believe in God but he still has good sense and manners as far as how to conduct himself. I enjoy and appreciate folks like him and encourage others of the same… if they can follow his example.
As far as all you guys that seem to think that religion is a poison – do your homework, will ya? Do you believe in freedom? How about every man being equal? Sound like good ideas? If it wasn’t for the very religion you slam, you wouldn’t have the freedom to post your smart-assed little snide remarks and comments here, or to do much of anything else for that matter, if it wasn’t for Christianity. Our entire western civilization and the freedoms you take for granted were the result of the Judeo-Christian doctrines that have developed through the centuries. Check out your history concerning the Renaissance.
Find out about Nicholas of Cusahttp://theosophy.org/tlodocs/teachers/NicholasOfCusa.htmhttp://www.digiserve.com/mystic/Christian/Cusa/and a few others down the line.The concept of man being made in the image of God led to all sorts of new thinking. It culminated in John Locke’s essay on Natural Law and the role of government. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/locke/
The end result of all this “new thinking” was the United Nations adopting the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948.http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.htmlSo…shuddup already – or maybe you’d actually prefer Osama’s world? - Or better yet, Carl Marx’s. The least you could do is form an educated opinion, anyway.
One last thing: Doug, at least we told you up front where we’re coming from. We could have kept quiet and then maybe you would have bought speakers from a company that used the profits to support other organizations that “offend” people. I suppose if we used the profits to personally support the drug and prostitution trades, you wouldn’t have a problem with that. What if we were Muslims quietly supporting Jihad and Osama? At least you know. Oh, and please don’t purchase our speakers, they “speak the truth” too and we wouldn’t want you to be offended by their accurate reproduction.
...One last thing: Doug, at least we told you up front where we’re coming from. We could have kept quiet and then maybe you would have bought speakers from a company that used the profits to support other organizations that “offend” people....
Jer 6:10 (NIV) "To whom can I speak and give warning? Who will listen to me? Their ears are closed so they cannot hear. The word of the Lord is offensive to them; they find no pleasure in it."Mat 13:14 By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.Zec 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.Zec 7:12 Yea, they made their hearts [as] an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the LORD of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the LORD of hosts.Zec 7:13 Therefore it is come to pass, [that] as he cried, and they would not hear; so they cried, and I would not hear, saith the LORD of hosts:Zec 7:14 But I scattered them with a whirlwind among all the nations whom they knew not. Thus the land was desolate after them, that no man passed through nor returned: for they laid the pleasant land desolate._________________In the beginning was the 373.
...So, you see, there really is no point in debating with true believers, even if you "prove" them wrong and beat them over the head with reason in logic, it simply does not matter. In fact, it most likely will only serve to harden their faith in to dogma (nothing builds dogma like opposition). At a certain point, it's best to simply check out of the discussion and let the faithful feel good about their faithfulness....
