Audio equipment we would like to hear our Bryston amplifiers driving

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James Tanner

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Hi Folks,

Hopefully this thread does not deteriorate into a 'mine’s bigger than yours' discusssion. The Pro vs Consumer thing for Bryston has been around for many years and here is something I wrote a few years ago which gives my perspective on it and I think still applies in todays world – biased though it may be!.

“Many times I get asked how Bryston has been able to bridge the gap between what is perceived to be two distinct and different markets - the Professional and the Audiophile. As you know, Bryston has been fortunate enough over the years to be well accepted in both of these demanding and sometimes different marketplaces. Our experience on both ends of the reproduction chain (studio Vs home) has allowed me some insights into the differences and similarities between these two areas which few manufacturers get to observe. I would like to offer a few observations regarding the Professional market as it relates to the Audiophile market as far as equipment choices are concerned.

The equipment choices for a system in a recording studio are the same as the requirement in a "state-of-the-art" playback system in your home namely; reproduce the input as accurately as possible. Professional recording engineers are attempting to record sounds as accurately as possible. They may have different methods (equipment choices, microphone techniques, microphone placement, or microphone types) but the purpose is the same. Capture a space and moment in time and allow the listener to experience that moment in his home environment. I do not think that the recording end of the chain is at odds with the playback end if accuracy of this "moment in space and time" is the ultimate goal. It is true that professional users demand playback monitoring systems which do not break when being played at realistic levels, do not color the sound or voice it in a specific manner, or reduce their ability to assess what exactly is recorded on the master. I do not see this parameter as being contrary with the audiophile attempting to playback, in his home, the "intent" of the engineer. Maybe in the past, systems that where capable of playing reliably at realistic levels without dynamic compression necessitated the use of large systems. These systems somehow did not deliver the kind of staging, imaging and micro-dynamics that audiophiles have hungered for, but "the times they are a changing".

The fact that Bryston amplifiers for example, have achieved acceptance from both the professional studio engineer and the audiophile is predicated on the assumption that accuracy remains the foremost concern. An accurate amplifier is an accurate amplifier no matter where it is being utilized. Same for the loudspeaker etc. The success of a given product in both the studio and home listening environment is a direct result of recording engineers and audiophiles alike being able to agree on the merits of accuracy in the playback chain. I had a very prominent engineer say to me just the other day, "wouldn't it be nice to know that the amplifiers and loudspeakers I am using as recording equipment where in fact the same amplifiers and loudspeakers the listener was using in his home environment". This ability to "Close the Loop" between the recording and playback side of the industry is certainly a desirable goal. If you consider the film industry and companies such as DTS, THX, Dolby Digital etc. you recognize that they are attempting to provide systems which in fact will playback the film in your home in a manner that serves the "intent" of all the people involved in the film (director, sound engineers, actors etc.). I feel music should be the same. I want to know what I hear in my home is as close a rendition as possible to the intent of the producer.

In closing, I would like to point out that we at Bryston perceive the difference in audio equipment as the difference between "Production and Reproduction". If your goal is to reproduce the input, then your choices of equipment will be different than someone who desires to produce a particular sound or result because they may personally prefer it.”

Napalm

Hopefully this thread does not deteriorate into a 'mine’s bigger than yours' discusssion.

Naah, we're civil. But we like to wield the :flame: from time to time, keeps the blood flowing....  :P

Nap.

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Pro audio is commercially driven, high end is home based.

So you have a DJ business, you buy some DJ amps, Crown, Parasound, Bryston

So you are a audiophile, you buy some high end amps Conrad Johnson, Pass, Audio Research, Symphonic Line, etc
then we get to tubes, which we won't get into because I guess Bryston doesn't make tube gear so you guys probably never heard any.

I would say the difference between high end and pro is the subtlties.
Audiophiles look for the subtle things in music and how it is produced. In fact very subtle things mean alot to audiophiles.
Pro audio gets the job done, it needs to be powerful, efficient, well built to withstand the rigors of commercial abuse(ever wonder why so many pro guys like Bryston with the 20 year warrantee?)
Pro does not need to be built to deliver subtlies. How many drunk people at a wedding give a shit how good the "Chicken Dance" sounds when they had 8 screwdrivers in them?

Not trying to knock you guys, but you guys go around bragging to the world on a forum devoted to high end audio. You guys should have your own fan club  as part of the Bryston website. Bryston makes a ton of money on you guys, let them setup a website for you guys so you can all slap yourselves on your backs till your silly. And leave the high end stuff to the websites that matter, and the join the rest of us when you grow up.

This circle jerk has got to stop, the flow of semen is choking this site.

k


Hello Karl,

I was contemplating upon a proper response to your most obtuse and exceptionally rude comments that you posted on this thread. I found this little “Gem” from one of your previous posts and I would like to extend to you, my sincere appreciation for providing this for me.

I somehow find that “poetic justice” has spewed forth from your keyboard - talk about falling on your own sword. Yes, you should be embarrassed as any future post I read from your keyboard will ultimately remind me of this thread. I can understand why many people are now laughing at you. As for me, I only have pity for you...

For Shame!! :nono:
Michael Fremer visits this site and our members treat him so?

I am amazed at how mean people can be on this site.

Finally a person of merit visits this site and we use it to blast him.

Sitting behind a keyboard is truly alot like beer muscles for many people here.
We should all be a little embarrassed
:duh: :oops


Karl

Be well… 

Napalm

Judging by the sheer vulgarity and the DJ theme, "doctorno" could be a second account of MF that he uses to support and reinforce himself.

I've seen such done in the past, nothing new here.

The problem with attacking the Bryston group is that people here feel very secure with their audio equipment choice and when some alien comes to say "you guys suck" we just say "huh?".

There are some other groups where you can cause quite a stir but let's not mention them now.

Nap.  :lol:

rob80b

I’d like to think “doctorno” dropped by to be taken into the fold and just wanted to play the devils advocate so that we could show him the light.
Daily doses of snake oil before breakfast is a hard habit to break, turn the other cheek and then show him what correctly reproduced sound is really about.
But a sucker punch is always a sucker punch, don’t take the bait, just walk away.

Robert

srb

I have heard so many great sounding solid state systems (some with Bryston amplification) and so many great sounding tube systems (some with SET amplification).  I would never be so foolish to say that one approach is crap compared to the other.
 
Steve

Napalm

Back to the subject:



Nap.  :o

rob80b

Back to the subject:



Nap.  :o


Free range are the audiophile version, hard to tell from the photo, judging by the cable it might be just the pro version.

Robert


werd

Avantegarde speakers are high efficiency horns.
They are meant to be driven by beautiful SET  tube amps not DJ amps.

Avantgardes with Bryston gear would make your ears bleed. And that is the truth, ask anyone who knows what Avantgardes are.

k

What about a really low gain preamp, in the order of 9db gain with those speakers and 7Bs. I bet you that would sound really nice.  I would not use a Bryston pre/amp with those since the pre has to much gain.


to me you don't see the possibilites so how can you talk about synergy when your approach is narrow minded, spewing inexperience all over your keyboard.....

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Naah, we're civil. But we like to wield the :flame: from time to time, keeps the blood flowing....  :P

Nap.

lol. Exactly. We're just proud owners, and when a guy like this comes along, we defend the good name of Bryston. We're like a big happy family, right? haha. Don't answer that...:D

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MBL 101 X-Treme. Has anyone had the opportunity to listen to these speakers? 



Be well...

JohnR

In case anyone was wondering, "doctorno" is most likely "topround," based on the IP addresses.

werd

In case anyone was wondering, "doctorno" is most likely "topround," based on the IP addresses.


  :lol:  awesome

Laundrew

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In case anyone was wondering, "doctorno" is most likely "topround," based on the IP addresses.

Karl :scratch: Mike  :scratch: Britney  :scratch: 

:wave:

:shake:

:duh:

Be well....

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MBL 101 X-Treme. Has anyone had the opportunity to listen to these speakers? 



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These look like they'd kill you if you didn't like them!!

Laundrew

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These look like they'd kill you if you didn't like them!!

Sweet, dark malevolence… 

Be well...

werd

They look like a time machine pod..... the mbl's

Laundrew

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MBL 101 X-Treme. Has anyone had the opportunity to listen to these speakers? 



Be well...

James,

Have you ever listened to these during your travels?

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Be well...

James Tanner

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James,

Have you ever listened to these during your travels?

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Be well...

Hi Laundrew,

Only at shows.  They are omni-directional so they produce a huge stage but you have to be careful regarding early reflections from nearby surfaces. They suit big rooms over small of course.

There is a gentleman (Dave) on audiocircle that posts the odd time and he is using them with 28B's.

james

Phil A

James,

Have you ever listened to these during your travels?

:thumb:

Be well...

I just saw the (cheapo) $60k model at the (first) Capital Audiofest (capitalaudiofest.com - probably even have phots) in Rockville, MD.  It was driven by MBL electronics and high end reel to reel as the source.  Was not particularly impressed.  It was a big room too.