[Lak]

Witchdoctor,
Have you auditioned the Ridge Street Audio MSE Gen. ...

                                       Larry, Witchdoctor heard my Ridge Street digital cable w/2 silver Bybees during his recent visit. I think he liked what he heard. At the time, I also had 2 standard Z-Sleeves on the cable. I now have a Ultra Z-Sleeve on it. Larry, this NEEDS to be heard. I'm just about begging Robert to give this a listen.  Comparing the HDXV to this combo would be like comparing a roach to a 3 paper doober. Ahhhh, those were the days,,, Regards, Robin

Robin,
What is the cost of the Ultra Z-Sleeve? Does it cover the entire cable, or where do you place it? What's the website (again, please) to order?
Thanks,
 

[Lak]

Had a local dealer over yesterday and he got to hear the Argent vs HDXV on a Birdland dac (which he brought over and is very nice) and my Electrocompaniet ECD-1.

In both cases we heard the sizzle and grain in the treble quite easily vs the Argent Audio ic.  In fact, the Argent sounded better using an adapter one one end (Birdland only takes a BNC, not RCA).  

At some point I definetly want to try the Poiema digital ic from  Ridge Street, but for now I am going to stick with the Argent Audio.

GW

Zybar,
Ridge Street Audio only produces a MSE Gen. II digital Cable.

[byteme]

Robin,
What is the cost of the Ultra Z-Sleeve? Does it cover the entire cable, or where do you place it? What's the website (again, please) to order?
Thanks,
 

The Ultra is $300 bones and can be seen at http://www.zcable.com

That's a lot of dough...

[satfrat]

Robin,
What is the cost of the Ultra Z-Sleeve? Does it cover the entire cable, or where do you place it? What's the website (again, please) to order?
Thanks,
 

The Ultra is $300 bones and can be seen at http://www.zcable.com

That's a lot of dough...

       Lak, a Z-sleeve is an 8" long copper sleeve with wrappings of tin/Stillpoints ERS. I had 2 standards on my MSE digital cable before the Ultra and the Ultra smokes that. A lot of dough for sure, but a lot of results. Mark Hampton of ZCable said that the Ultra was worth it,,, I humbly agree. With what I'm hearing now, the $900 for 3 Ultras is forgotten, but I'm sure the CC statement at the end of the month will remind me. Regards, Robin

[witchdoctor]

I have to say Robin's system sounds great. I have orderted an ultra sleeve as well as z cables digital cable to audition.

[zybar]

Robin,

I have no doubt that the Z-Sleeves do improve things, but could there be better improvments in your system by spending the money in a different way?

GW

[satfrat]

I have to say Robin's system sounds great. I have orderted an ultra sleeve as well as z cables digital cable to audition.

                    Great! You'll have the opportunity to compare Ridge Street and ZCable's digital cable with and without the Ultra Z-Sleeve. Zybar, there's ALWAYS another way to reach where you're going. But unlike a lot of you folks, I don't plan on taking a dozen or so trails. Hell, I can't afford the trail I'm on. Regards, Robin

[witchdoctor]

I just installed my ultra z sleeve on my Bolder digital cable. The best way to describe it is my system just got a LOT more open and natural. More punch on horns, clarity on vocals, grip on the bass, separation of soundstage. I LIKE it!
Thanks Robin

PS -Warning, these can easily become addictive and you may want to add more than one. At $300 a pop, it's worth it, but try to go easy.

[satfrat]

I just installed my ultra z sleeve on my Bolder digital cable. The best way to describe it is my system just got a LOT more open and natural. More punch on horns, clarity on vocals, grip on the bass, separation of soundstage. I LIKE it!
Thanks Robin

PS -Warning, these can easily become addictive and you may want to add more than one. At $300 a pop, it's worth it, but try to go easy.

                                                          Whew!  I always worry when I start recommending +$$$ tweaks that have impressed me. Just was the case with Bybee's as more than one person has emailed me back saying that they ain't worth a sh*t. What can I say, Bybee's are EVERYTHING in my system and Z-Sleeves are EVERYTHING+++!  It took me a day to adjust to mine as I thought I had gone over the edge and created a too bright system. But in a few hours, the brightness subsided and all that was left was total resolution. Like Todd says, a LOT more open clarity that tend to highlite the inner details. This was not suttle in my system as was the $$$ hit for 3 Ultra's to my deepening debt. Regards, Robin

[witchdoctor]

Zybar, bring your digital IC to the rave and I'll bring the z sleeve so you can compare.

[bubba966]

Sounds like it's going to be a digital coax fest next weekend in NYC.

And here's another conteder that'll be there next weekend...

[bubba966]

Ok, I finally got off my ass and tested my Napalm Ultra against lonewolfy's HDXV & Onix Thunder digitals he was kind enough to let me borrow.

I used very familiar clips from the Criterion Edition of Armageddon, and the high bitrate DD track on the Superbit release of The Fifth Element.

Before running these tests, I re-laser aligned my speaks. And re-dB matched them to within .5db of each other. Just to make sure everything was running as well as it shoulda been...

First up the Onix Thunder. Very flexible cable. Not exactly fond of the locking RCA's though. They work fine, but are a little bit of a hassle to use.

As far as it sounds, well it's fairly decent. Bass seemed a little excessive, and not as tight as it could be. It wasn't overly bright, nor was it dark. With the exception of the slightly loose & excessive bass (which really isn't that bad), it's a good solid digital.

Next up the Stereovox HDXV. Fairly flexible cable, though a bit stiffer than the Onix Thunder. And man, is this thing skinny. I've never seen a cable that was built well that is as slender as this thing is. Used it with the RCA adapters as I don't have BNC digital connections. DAMN are those RCA adapters tight on the RCA jacks! I was warned about them being excessively tight. But didn't think they'd be this bad. I was afraid I was going to damage my RCA jacks from plugging & unplugging this cable during the tests.

As far as it sounds. This is a nice cable. Bass was more controlled & less excessive than the Onix Thunder. It's definitely more detailed than the Onix Thunder. But I also found it to be a bit bright. It wasn't much of a problem with shorter periods of time. But I could hardly watch an entire movie without it being painfull. This was the first time I've ever had to stop listening to something in my setup because it was too bright. Now I know the meaning of "listening fatigue".

If you've got a system that's a bit on the dark side, or more forgiving of a little brightness, then this is a damn nice digital for you. I can see why it's worked great for many a setup. But I can also see why some people didn't care for it. It's probably the second most detailed digital I've tried in my setup. But I can't sit through an entire movie w/out it hurting my ears. After 45-60 minutes, that's all I could stand.

Lastly, the Bolder Cable Cryo'd Napalm Ultra (will be referred to as the CNU). This sucker is damn near twice the thickness of the Onix Thunder (and the Onix is itself a fairly thick cable), and noticeable stiffer than the HDXV. While quite stiff, it can still be worked with. And the Eichmann Silver Bullet plugs on the CNU are quite easy to work with. A little tight, but no "death grip" like the HDXV RCA adapters or even the Monster "Turbine Cut" RCA's.

Now for the sound of the CNU. It takes the level of detail the HDXV has, and turns it up a slight bit. It's also got a cleaner signal. Bass is good, and slightly tighter than the HDXV. It's also very natural sounding. It's like taking all of the strengths of the HDXV, turning them up a little bit, but w/out the brightness the HDXV has.

So in conclusion, the Onix Thunder would be more than useable in my system. The HDXV does many things better than the Onix, but at the cost of being overly bright. But, the Cryo'd Napalm Ultra was definitely the best choice to use in my system.

So I'd say the HDXV is more than worth a listen if you're in the market for a digital. But it may or may not work in your setup. The Napalm has been an awesome cable in every setup I've tried it in. It's been a better sounding cable in every setup I've tried it in. Though the improvement has varied slightly from setup to setup.

So if the cost of the Napalm doesn't scare 'ya, go for it. I don't see why you'd be disappointed. If that's a little out of your budget, go for a standard Bolder Digital w/Silver Bullets or the HDXV if it's not overly bright in your setup.

[witchdoctor]

Hi Bubba,
Your experience with the HDXV mirrored my own. I guess that's why it's only $100.

[zybar]

Glad to see that more people were hearing what I heard from the start.

Good cable, but certainly much better out there.

GW

[Mad DOg]

bubba966,

i've had the HDXV, Onix Thunder, Onix Master and current use the Onix Grand Master digital cable...i have also heard whatever Bolder digital cable is included in the audition pack at HarleyMYKs listening session...it sounded good but i think we all preferred the Onix GM that time...not sure if the Bolder cable you've now got is the same cable or a better one...

the Onix Thunder is no where near the level of performance that the Master or Grand Master can deliver. it's good for the price, but nowhere near any of the better digital cables i've owned or auditioned in my system...

i definitely agree w/ your assessment of the HDXV compared to the Onix Thunder...i also found it to be VERY detailed and bright in my system. it's a good $100 digital cable, but as zybar said, there's definitely better to digital cable offerings out there...

[lonewolfny42]

Hey Bubba , Thanks for testing out the cables....it's good to see you do a review !  

[bubba966]

bubba966,

i've had the HDXV, Onix Thunder, Onix Master and current use the Onix Grand Master digital cable...i have also heard whatever Bolder digital cable is included in the audition pack at HarleyMYKs listening session...it sounded good but i think we all preferred the Onix GM that time...not sure if the Bolder cable you've now got is the same cable or a better one...

the Onix Thunder is no where near the level of performance that the Master or Grand Master can deliver. it's good for the price, but nowhere near any of the better digital cables i've owned or auditioned in my system...

i definitely agree w/ your assessment of the HDXV compared to the Onix Thunder...i also found it to be VERY detailed and bright in my system. it's a good $100 digital cable, but as zybar said, there's definitely better to digital cable offerings out there...

The Bolder digital that was in the audition pack isn't in the same league as my Bolder Napalm Ultra.

I didn't do any long listening test with the Onix Thunder as I didn't see a need to. It's a decent cable for an entry level application. But not on the level with the HDXV or the standard Bolder. I wouldn't use it in my setup now, though I might've thought it was good years ago when I'd not had much exposure to different digitals. But I did feel it to be less annoying than the HDXV in my setup. Sure, I wasn't fond of the bass w/the Onix Thunder. But it was a much more liveable fault than the overly bright quality of the HDXV.

Hey Bubba , Thanks for testing out the cables....it's good to see you do a review !  

Yeah, well I've not had much I felt would be useful to review here as the majority of my gear isn't so popular around here. But it seems that it's quite up to snuff as I'm getting the same results as a few other people that have some nice "audiophile approved" gear...

[Rob Babcock]

I wonder how the Stereovox would respond to some Bybees?

[satfrat]

I wonder how the Stereovox would respond to some Bybees?

      They don't. I tried some Bybee inlines on Lonewolf's HDXV and it ruined the crystal clear sound, which was the cable's strong point. This surprised me considering how much the Bybee's had opened up my old Monster Cable Datalink and my present Ridge Street Digital Link. Regards, Robin

[lonewolfny42]

Here's one for you guys...compare Bubba's Bolder Napalm w/ bybee's to Robin's Ridge Street digital w/ bybee's. What do you think about that ?