New RM15 Torus with reduced MSRP now available!

SF · « **on:** 24 Sep 2009, 03:34 pm »

Just noticed that the new redesigned RM15 PIU is now available from Torus. I understand that it has some design changes that make it more efficient and slightly smaller. Biggest change is the pretty impressive drop in the price: it went from ~$2800 to $2000. I've posted the write-up from the Torus website (only documentation available that I can find) below:

September 2009
Latest news from Torus Power

Torus Power RM15 (top right) has been re-engineered into a more compact size, and lower price ($2000 MRSP). Torus Power RM15 delivers the maximum power available from a standard 120VAC outlet, and delivers all the Torus benefits of cleaner power, total isolation from the power grid, more dynamic range and detail in audio, enhanced video, plus complete protection from lighting, spikes, surges. The consumer style 17" face-plate is available in silver or black. Rack mount versions are also available.

I believe that a post by Mr. J Tanner 8 months ago informed us of the new product. I will dig it out and post the link here again for your reference.

Needless to say, I no longer had any arguments against ordering one. It's on its way but 30 days away (new orders slowing processing as I understand it).

Thank you both Torus and Bryston.

SF · « **Reply #1 on:** 24 Sep 2009, 03:41 pm »

Here is the post:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=46895.20

See reply #24

Cheers

drummermitchell · « **Reply #2 on:** 24 Sep 2009, 05:33 pm »

I like the new look as far as the 17" face plate.
I see Torus has some new stuff coming out,
maybe a mini Torus(1-2 receptacles)that will handle 10 to 20a .
that way my other sub has some protection and also if I put one of my amps in the back.Same idea as a Hydra 2 only the Torus gives you more than the wall.
i think I'd call it the Torus Titan,el Toro, orrrrrrrrrrr

,but a compact Torus would be VERY handy as a Large Torus is quite stationary,your power cables
can go only so long.

KeithA · « **Reply #3 on:** 24 Sep 2009, 07:40 pm »

Quote from: drummermitchell on 24 Sep 2009, 05:33 pm

I like the new look as far as the 17" face plate.
I see Torus has some new stuff coming out,
maybe a mini Torus(1-2 receptacles)that will handle 10 to 20a .
that way my other sub has some protection and also if I put one of my amps in the back.Same idea as a Hydra 2 only the Torus gives you more than the wall.
i think I'd call it the Torus Titan,el Toro, orrrrrrrrrrr ,but a compact Torus would be VERY handy as a Large Torus is quite stationary,your power cables
can go only so long.

Yep..I'd love to get a silver faceplate for my RM20..without having to buy a new AVR version

Keith

1ZIP · « **Reply #4 on:** 24 Sep 2009, 08:01 pm »

Hellooooo opportunity! I think I just found my Christmas present to myself this year!! Either that or a new KX 155 for the plane.

95Dyna · « **Reply #5 on:** 25 Sep 2009, 01:16 pm »

I've been talking to Henry Pajooman at Torus and the new RM15 is significantly smaller than the existing rack mount version. Its vertical dimension is 3.5" about half the rack mount version and the weight is just under 40 lbs. (18 kg). compared to the 76 lbs. of the rack mount. The reduction is the result of a new way of assembling the transformer. He says the performance is identical. There will be no similarly sized RM20, however. He says the RM15 will be the biggest in this series. This announcement is great news for those of us who wanted to ad the Torus RM15 but couldn't support the size and weight.

SF · « **Reply #6 on:** 25 Sep 2009, 04:51 pm »

Not only is it redesigned to be smaller, lighter, and more efficient, it is also $800 cheaper! I don't think you can go wrong with an RM15 in the system at this price given that all the specs will stay the same.
I won't be in a position to compare to an older model but others might be. Drummermitchell, you wrote that you might consider getting a new RM15. If you do, I would love to hear what you have to say about comparing it to the older version.

SF · « **Reply #7 on:** 25 Sep 2009, 04:55 pm »

Quote from: 1ZIP on 24 Sep 2009, 08:01 pm

Hellooooo opportunity! I think I just found my Christmas present to myself this year!! Either that or a new KX 155 for the plane.

1ZIP, just don't forget the one-month wait (in Toronto).

drummermitchell · « **Reply #8 on:** 25 Sep 2009, 07:16 pm »

Hi SF,Besides the RM-15(new version)it says on the Torus site that some more
products are coming out(hopefully a 1or2 receptacle Torus that will do 15 or 20a
as the all in one is great(but stationary)having a few small Torus(s)where you could put them basically anywhere in the room,out of the way.
That's what was nice about the Hydra 2s,you could put them anywhere and they
didn't get in the way(quite small),where as the smallest Torus has 4-6 receptacles and only
delivers a few amps(2.5a,up to 10a but has 4 duplexes(8 pluggins).
I would like to see a small Torus with 1or 2 receptacles,but would give out 10-20a.I can't see myself buying say a BX-10 or RM15 and have all those extra receptacles.Besidesa couple of RM 10s or 15s would set me back 3600 just for an amp or a couple of subs.We'll see what Torus brings out for new stuff.Of course a 10a Torus sitting on my sub might look quite nice.

James Tanner · « **Reply #9 on:** 25 Sep 2009, 07:35 pm »

Hi Don,

I do not think you will see physically 'Small' Torus units. The number of outlets are just what will fit on the back of any given case. The case size is determined by the size of the transformer needed for a specfic current output. So a 20A Torus has 10 outlets on the back because there is rear panel space there to offer that many given the huge transformer needed to allow for 20 amp output current.

By the way when we were researching the powerline conditioner market one of the issues we found was that a lot of the products on the market that were transformer based used transformers that were way to small for the current they needed to provide. This caused the sound to get worst in our opinion because the amplifier was being starved for current on transients.

So in fact the transformers in all Torus power isolation units are engineered to be hugely oversized for the current they are rated for - in fact they are approximately double the size they are rated at. A 20 amp Torus unit has in fact a 40 amp capable transformer in it. This prevents any chance of limited current when required by the amplifier.

james

drummermitchell · « **Reply #10 on:** 25 Sep 2009, 08:53 pm »

Hi James ,I read that also 2X the size

.We'll maybe the 17"slim lined Torus will look some good on my sub.
I read somewhere that a DD-15 could use up to10a(probably close to extreme
wall hugging on my part

).15a DD-15,they seem related,I should do this soon
James what does a Thiel SS-2 take up for amperage,reason THCX sells thiel,so I figure one of those for movies and for now the DD-15s for music.
i think I have enough room in the corner for the SS-2

.

alexone · « **Reply #11 on:** 26 Sep 2009, 03:45 am »

Torus:

...still no prices available for the European (German) market!

al.

SF · « **Reply #12 on:** 26 Sep 2009, 11:55 pm »

Thinking of putting the new 15RM gives me three basic options:

1) plug only the amp in the 15RM Torus

2) plug the amp and all individual components as individual components

3) plug the amp; and plug all other components into a Monster line conditioner before plugging that one plug into the Torus. So you would have just the amp and the one line conditioner plugged in.

I am afraid that the digital equipment would introduce interference in the post-Torus circuit.

Does anyone have any experience with best using the one Torus in this setting.

It would be great to know how you tackled this.

Thank you.

Gojo · « **Reply #13 on:** 22 Dec 2009, 02:05 am »

Hi James,

What basic design changes have occured going from the older Torus 15 RM (76 lbs) to the newer CS Torus 15 (41 lbs) to account for the difference in 35 lbs? Has the design of the transformer changed? I was under the impression that bigger(heavier) was generally better when it came to transformer sizes and performance, at least in ampliers anyways.

Given the performance of the new and older are identical (?), I am very curious as to the new changes. I did read 95dyna's comments above and would forward to some of the specifics.

Thanks again

Joe

James Tanner · « **Reply #14 on:** 22 Dec 2009, 02:11 am »

^Hi Joe,

Torus found a core material and winding technique that performed a little better and were able to develop a new product capable of 15 amps. The down side is the new 15 amp unit will run a little hotter than the older 15 amp unit under the same current draw. The plus is of course it is less expensive to manufacture.

james

Wig · « **Reply #15 on:** 22 Dec 2009, 10:08 am »

James,

Will I be able to use the Torus CS-15 for my Belles 350A Ref amp with soft start? I believe it will put out a maximum of 64 amps, 250 watts in 8 ohms.

Thanks,
Wig

James Tanner · « **Reply #16 on:** 22 Dec 2009, 12:13 pm »

Quote from: Wig on 22 Dec 2009, 10:08 am

James,

Will I be able to use the Torus CS-15 for my Belles 350A Ref amp with soft start? I believe it will put out a maximum of 64 amps, 250 watts in 8 ohms.

Thanks,
Wig

Hi Wig,

I assume your using a 15 amp wall socket currently so without changing the wall plug socket to a larger size (20 amp) the CS15 will work just fine.

james

1oldguy · « **Reply #17 on:** 22 Dec 2009, 05:47 pm »

Would I be correct in in thinking since the New Torus runs warmer it would more expensive in the long run on the Electric bill?Food for thought perhaps?

James Tanner · « **Reply #18 on:** 22 Dec 2009, 06:12 pm »

Quote from: 1oldguy on 22 Dec 2009, 05:47 pm

Would I be correct in in thinking since the New Torus runs warmer it would more expensive in the long run on the Electric bill?Food for thought perhaps?

Hi oldguy,

No the bill would not change as the current draw would be the same but the heat dissapation on the transformer is slightly higher - I am only talking a few degrees here - you would probably not even notice unless you had a 15 and a 20 side by each.

james

Wig · « **Reply #19 on:** 24 Dec 2009, 01:45 pm »

Thanks!

Quote from: James Tanner on 22 Dec 2009, 12:13 pm

Quote from: Wig on 22 Dec 2009, 10:08 am
James,

Will I be able to use the Torus CS-15 for my Belles 350A Ref amp with soft start? I believe it will put out a maximum of 64 amps, 250 watts in 8 ohms.

Thanks,
Wig

Hi Wig,

I assume your using a 15 amp wall socket currently so without changing the wall plug socket to a larger size (20 amp) the CS15 will work just fine.

james