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« Reply #20 on: 9 Dec 2008, 01:11 pm »
Great reviews of the Torus gear, very nice. I am curious if anyone has had an opportunity to compare the Torus units to the Furman Reference series products. I have a Furman IT-Reference (the original Reference product I think, it's equivalent product would be the IT-Reference 20i today) in which I have 2 4B-SSTs , a 6B-SST and a Paradigm Servo-15 subwoofer connected to it along with my other gear. I am curious if there would be any improvement moving to a Torus unit and if so what Torus model I would need. I also have the Furman SPR20i for voltage regulation in which my spill over components are connected along with a second Paradigm Servo-15. My IT-Reference is connected to the SPR 20i as well because the voltage in my apartment varies from 116-127. The reason for the second subwoofer being plugged into the SPR-20i is two fold, first, it's located too far away from my IT-Reference for it's included power cord and secondly the Furman IT-Reference has only 4 dedicated power amp outlets so I wanted to use the remaining 8 for the intended non power amplifer components.

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Rod

Hi Rod,

Furman builds quality gear but I can not seem to find out from the reviews and the website what type of 'Surge Protection' they are using or if it is an 'Isolation Transformer' or just a 'Filter'?

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« Reply #21 on: 9 Dec 2008, 05:46 pm »
That's a good question, I honestly don't know. I think the documentation I got with both pieces is the same as what's on the Furman website (manuals and data sheets)

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« Reply #22 on: 17 Dec 2008, 05:48 pm »
Hi James,

Soundstage's reviewer on Torus RM15 said "(voltage regulation will be available soon)".  Care to elaborate please, and would that increase prices a bit?  Thanks.

Klao

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« Reply #23 on: 17 Dec 2008, 06:17 pm »
Hi James,

Soundstage's reviewer on Torus RM15 said "(voltage regulation will be available soon)".  Care to elaborate please, and would that increase prices a bit?  Thanks.

Klao

Hi Klao,

Yes it will be an additional $600-700.

james

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« Reply #24 on: 17 Dec 2008, 06:20 pm »
TORUS Power Introduces AVR Series Power Conditioners

Peterborough, Ontario January, 2009 —Torus Power (www.toruspower.com) has announced the introduction of the AVR Series of power conditioning products, which compliments the existing line of Torus Power products. The AVR line (Automatic Voltage Regulation) provides all the advantages of the original Torus Power designs, such as ultra-clean AC power, complete isolation from the outside power grid and series-mode surge suppression, plus the added benefit of stabilized voltage to connected equipment.

Torus Power AVR series for the North American market includes six models:
•RM10 AVR – 10 Amp (2 rack height)
•RM15 AVR – 15Amp (3 rack height)
•RM20 AVR – 20 Amp (required dedicated 20A outlet) (3 rack height)
•RM20 BAL AVR – 20Amp (requires dedicated 240V balanced input and 20A) (3 rack height)
•RM45 BAL AVR (4 rack height)
•RM60 BAL AVR (4 rack height)

The AVR series has been engineered to maintain optimal voltage (115 to 125 volts at 60Hz) and current to connected audio/video equipment, enabling devices to perform at their best. With stabilized voltages, power amplifiers can provide their full rated power regardless of variations in input voltage. Should a fault condition occur (anything lower than 85 or higher than 135 volts), the Torus AVR units will automatically turn off, protecting all associated electronics. “By adding the AVR series to the existing Torus lineup, we now have compelling products that provide power isolation, automatic voltage regulation, and automatic voltage protection all within a single component,” explained sales VP James Tanner.

Torus AVR units also feature a dimmable front panel display indicating input voltage, output voltage, and output current. A 12-volt trigger input allows the unit to be switched on for system automation, and a 12-volt trigger output is available to switch on an external device in case of a fault condition. AVR models also include an Ethernet interface with built-in web browser, allowing homeowners to view voltage and current readings or turn ON/OFF their Torus Power unit from any Internet-connected computer.

Function Summary
•Measure and display input voltage
•Measure and display output voltage
•Measure and display output current
•Monitor under (85V) and over (135V) input voltage conditions; user to select whether to remove power or continue to operate; user to select whether to restore power when the voltage is back in range; display condition
•Adjust output voltage by switching transformer taps using the timing sequence specified
•Monitor a 12V trigger input to power on/off (back panel mounted)
•Monitor the 17 onboard relays for correct switching operation and if a fault is detected, display the
fault condition
•Ethernet interface with built in WEB browser. Allow any computer to view the voltage and current readings and turn on or off the PIU
•12V output trigger to switch on external device in case of fault condition (i.e UPS)
•Optional control system interface

The RM 15 AVR and RM 20 AVR will be on display at CES 2009 (Venetian Bassano Ballroom 2601). The Torus Power AVR Series is expected to ship to authorized dealers February, 2009. MSRP pricing is TBA. Worldwide distribution for Torus Power products is handled by audio electronics manufacturer, Bryston, LTD.

About Torus: The design objective behind the Torus power isolation units (PIU’s) was to provide a no-compromise AC power conditioning solution to improve audio/video equipment performance based on true isolation, as well as equipment protection based on non-MOV (metal oxide varistors) surge suppression technology. Many products in the PIU category are simple filters and do not provide isolation between the outside power grid and the inside power source. The Torus PIU’s deliver true isolation along with low source impedance and ample instantaneous current for today’s most sophisticated and powerful audiophile amplifiers, home theater systems, and video playback equipment.

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« Reply #25 on: 18 Dec 2008, 03:02 am »
Great news James.  :thumb:

Any pics yet of the new AVR series ?

I've been scanning the Torus site for updates.


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« Reply #26 on: 18 Dec 2008, 03:17 am »
No Pics yet -keeping it a secret till the CES Show.

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« Reply #27 on: 18 Dec 2008, 12:34 pm »
Very interesting development. Nice. So will these effectively replace the existing line of products or will this be an additional series and the original line remain? Looking at the first line of the press release you posted it reads to me that the 2 lines will co-exist and your reposne to Klao a few posts back suggests that as well.

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« Reply #28 on: 18 Dec 2008, 01:31 pm »
Very interesting development. Nice. So will these effectively replace the existing line of products or will this be an additional series and the original line remain? Looking at the first line of the press release you posted it reads to me that the 2 lines will co-exist and your reposne to Klao a few posts back suggests that as well.

Thanks,

Rod

Hi Rod,

Yes they will co-exist.  There is still some discussion going on here that voltage regulation is really not all that critical with well designed power supplies unless they are fairly severe - 10%/20% or more fluctuations.

Plus Switching Power Supplies like those used in a lot of equipment these days could care less what the voltage feed is. So we felt the voltage regulation should be optional rather than standard cost for our customers.

james



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« Reply #29 on: 18 Dec 2008, 01:36 pm »
Thanks James

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« Reply #30 on: 19 Dec 2008, 12:02 am »
James,

on a scale from '1 to 10' you said that getting speakers right is a 9. changing speaker cables to improve sound is a 2.
what position would have a Torus from '1 to 10' ?

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« Reply #31 on: 19 Dec 2008, 12:33 am »
James,

on a scale from '1 to 10' you said that getting speakers right is a 9. changing speaker cables to improve sound is a 2.
what position would have a Torus from '1 to 10' ?

al.

I would say a 5.

james

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« Reply #32 on: 16 Jan 2009, 06:29 am »
Hi James,

Can the RM8 AVR (int'l) be special ordered with ten IEC 10A outlets, instead of the five UK/German outlets?  Have the prices been officially announced to your dealers?

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Klao

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« Reply #33 on: 16 Jan 2009, 12:23 pm »
Hi James,

Can the RM8 AVR (int'l) be special ordered with ten IEC 10A outlets, instead of the five UK/German outlets?  Have the prices been officially announced to your dealers?

Thanks,
Klao

HI Klao,

Yes we still offer the IEC outlets and there are 10 on the back of the International 8A unit.  Yes the prices are available to the Bryston distributor.

james

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« Reply #34 on: 17 Jan 2009, 09:40 pm »
Hi James,

Can the RM8 AVR (int'l) be special ordered with ten IEC 10A outlets, instead of the five UK/German outlets?  Have the prices been officially announced to your dealers?

Thanks,
Klao

HI Klao,

Yes we still offer the IEC outlets and there are 10 on the back of the International 8A unit.  Yes the prices are available to the Bryston distributor.

james


Thank you, James.  It seems the AVR unit add 3 more inches on the depth of the RM8 unit (18.5" vs 15.5").  What are the actual footprints of the RM8 AVR and non-AVR units?  My rack's shelf space is only 19.5" W x 15.5" D.  Cheers.

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« Reply #35 on: 17 Jan 2009, 09:56 pm »
Hi Klao,

I do not believe the AVR adds any length to the chassis depth - where did you see that?

james

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« Reply #36 on: 17 Jan 2009, 10:22 pm »
I think they add more depths to N.American models as well?

RM8 Non-AVR: Size (w x d x h)(mm): 19x15.5x5.2 (483x394x133)
http://www.toruspower.com/bx8_int.htm

RM8 AVR: Size (w x d x h)(mm): 19x18.5x5.25 (483x470x133)
http://www.toruspower.com/pdf_files/New%20Torus%20AVR%20Series.pdf

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« Reply #37 on: 17 Jan 2009, 10:52 pm »
I think they add more depths to N.American models as well?

RM8 Non-AVR: Size (w x d x h)(mm): 19x15.5x5.2 (483x394x133)
http://www.toruspower.com/bx8_int.htm

RM8 AVR: Size (w x d x h)(mm): 19x18.5x5.25 (483x470x133)
http://www.toruspower.com/pdf_files/New%20Torus%20AVR%20Series.pdf

I will check.

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« Reply #38 on: 19 Jan 2009, 04:18 pm »
I think they add more depths to N.American models as well?

RM8 Non-AVR: Size (w x d x h)(mm): 19x15.5x5.2 (483x394x133)
http://www.toruspower.com/bx8_int.htm

RM8 AVR: Size (w x d x h)(mm): 19x18.5x5.25 (483x470x133)
http://www.toruspower.com/pdf_files/New%20Torus%20AVR%20Series.pdf

Hi Klao,

I'm wrong - Your right!
There is an increase in depth size if you get the AVR version.

james

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« Reply #39 on: 14 Feb 2009, 03:14 am »
Torus - Customer Feedback:

From: Ezra
Sent: Fri 2/13/2009 9:29 PM
To: jamestanner@bryston.ca
Subject: TORUS POWER CONDITIONERS


James Tanner, my dear sir,

I am now well enough to give you my thoughts concerning the excellent Torus power unit. It is the best power conditioner that I know of, and I have had many. It cleaned up my power and stabilized it like you wouldn’t believe.

My soundstage got taller wider and deeper. It became very quiet with image stabilization like I didn’t know was possible. Blacker back ground and oh the extension in the bass and treble and aahh the all important midrange the Torus left nothing untouched. NO suppression of dynamics which was my complaint with every conditioner I ever tried.

I now own five of the big units and soon I will buy a sixth as I want one on each of my eight monoblocks. Thank-you Bryston and thank-you James. A feather in your cap my dear Mr Tanner, man did you steer me right.

Thank you for your patience,

Cheer's,
Ezra