Rockets not doing it

Derrell · « **on:** 31 Aug 2009, 10:36 pm »

I have the rocket 850, Bigfoot, elt monitors, and mfw15 all powered by a Denon 4806 and I am left wanting more. I have listened to the ls-6 and loved every moment they are awesome! Howerver at the moment I do not have a dedicated room therefore I think the ob-7 will be a better fit. I am 90% movies 10% music but I think that is because the 850's don't do music that well for me. Do the ob-7's do well in a theater setup? What has been used for a center? Thanks

Nick77 · « **Reply #1 on:** 1 Sep 2009, 12:19 am »

Quote from: Derrell on 31 Aug 2009, 10:36 pm

I have the rocket 850, Bigfoot, elt monitors, and mfw15 all powered by a Denon 4806 and I am left wanting more. I have listened to the ls-6 and loved every moment they are awesome! Howerver at the moment I do not have a dedicated room therefore I think the ob-7 will be a better fit. I am 90% movies 10% music but I think that is because the 850's don't do music that well for me. Do the ob-7's do well in a theater setup? What has been used for a center? Thanks

Derrell
The 850's sure have a huge bandwagon, i personally can totally understand the reason for wanting to upgrade.
I upgraded to the ob/7 from the Mini's and there do an excellant job at HT. The strenght is definitly 2 channel music though. I still have my Onix ref1 center for center duties. I think you could make BF work for you or build a neo3 center. A pic is worth a thousand words.

Hugh · « **Reply #2 on:** 1 Sep 2009, 01:05 am »

Nick,

Is that the Ref100 as center?

Hugh · « **Reply #3 on:** 1 Sep 2009, 01:06 am »

Derrell,

I believe you can get an OB5 as Center.

Talk to Danny.

Quote from: Derrell on 31 Aug 2009, 10:36 pm

I have the rocket 850, Bigfoot, elt monitors, and mfw15 all powered by a Denon 4806 and I am left wanting more. I have listened to the ls-6 and loved every moment they are awesome! Howerver at the moment I do not have a dedicated room therefore I think the ob-7 will be a better fit. I am 90% movies 10% music but I think that is because the 850's don't do music that well for me. Do the ob-7's do well in a theater setup? What has been used for a center? Thanks

Derrell · « **Reply #4 on:** 1 Sep 2009, 01:22 am »

Any thoughts about using the ob-7's only and running a phantom center? The rockets are good speakers but having heard the ls-6 I have never been the same. What is the shortest build a ls-6 can be?

Nick77 · « **Reply #5 on:** 1 Sep 2009, 01:31 am »

Quote from: Hugh on 1 Sep 2009, 01:05 am

Nick,

Is that the Ref100 as center?

Yes

Hugh · « **Reply #6 on:** 1 Sep 2009, 02:20 am »

Derrell,

If it were me, I'd rather go for a real Center instead.

IMHO, no phantom center SQ can match a full range Center.

Hugh · « **Reply #7 on:** 1 Sep 2009, 02:20 am »

Thanks Nick.

Quote from: Nick77 on 1 Sep 2009, 01:31 am

Quote from: Hugh on 1 Sep 2009, 01:05 am
Nick,

Is that the Ref100 as center?

Yes

Derrell · « **Reply #8 on:** 3 Sep 2009, 12:05 am »

Well it looks like I am going to have a dedicated room soon as we are in the process of remodeling our house. So as far as a center speaker I am thinking that whichever speaker I go with I will be using the same three across the front. How do the ob-7's compare to the ls6's. Has anyone done a direct comparision using these speakers in a theater setup. Also what are the v-1's that I have been reading about? Is it a new speaker?

Hugh · « **Reply #9 on:** 3 Sep 2009, 12:13 am »

Derrell,

Cool.
That's the way to go.

Are you talking about OB7 or LS6 as kits or fully built?

Quote from: Derrell on 3 Sep 2009, 12:05 am

Well it looks like I am going to have a dedicated room soon as we are in the process of remodeling our house. So as far as a center speaker I am thinking that whichever speaker I go with I will be using the same three across the front. How do the ob-7's compare to the ls6's. Has anyone done a direct comparision using these speakers in a theater setup. Also what are the v-1's that I have been reading about? Is it a new speaker?

Derrell · « **Reply #10 on:** 3 Sep 2009, 12:59 am »

In kits

S Clark · « **Reply #11 on:** 3 Sep 2009, 01:06 am »

Quote from: Derrell on 3 Sep 2009, 12:05 am

How do the ob-7's compare to the ls6's. Has anyone done a direct comparision using these speakers in a theater setup.

I heard both the OB-7 and the LS-6 when Danny first designed them. Both are musical, accurate and excellent values, but in a direct "which one is better?" scenario, there is no comparison to my ears. The LS-6 creates a musical space that has the illusion of real. The superior soundstage, imaging, and dynamics set it aside from the OB series. The absolute lack of distortion makes this a truly top notch speaker.
For my definitely aging ears, the LS-6 was clearly a better speaker. I felt strongly enough that I am building the LS-9's, which are a small step up from the 6's.
Scott

Danny Richie · « **Reply #12 on:** 3 Sep 2009, 02:06 am »

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Also what are the v-1's that I have been reading about? Is it a new speaker?

Yep, new speaker. A new favorite speaker.

Here is the thread discussing it from the beginning.

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=61023.0

Customer comments and their completed pairs:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=69484.0

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=69909.0

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=67077.0

I also just completed the design of it's little brother, the V-2 (the Venuette). You can see info on it here:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=71213.0

Some more info on the Venuette here: http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=71176.0

Hugh · « **Reply #13 on:** 3 Sep 2009, 02:21 am »

Kits is a smart move.

Quote from: Derrell on 3 Sep 2009, 12:59 am

In kits

S Clark · « **Reply #14 on:** 3 Sep 2009, 04:15 am »

One thing is for sure, the V-1 kit is a heckuva lot easier to put together than the LS-6 kit. And the bass from the V-1 is amazingly accurate.

Nick77 · « **Reply #15 on:** 3 Sep 2009, 11:03 am »

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Yep, new speaker. A new favorite speaker.

This begs the question, do you think the V1 excels over the LS6?

HT cOz · « **Reply #16 on:** 3 Sep 2009, 01:02 pm »

This begs the question, do you think the V1 excels over the LS6?
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From what I have read, in some rooms and situations the V1 would be a better choice. I know for my future room 10 x 16 the V1 would be on the top of my list.

The line arrays work best when you give them space to breathe. The V1 being a perfect point source is easier to work with in smaller rooms. Also the OB subs don't load the room with bass like other designs.

Danny Richie · « **Reply #17 on:** 3 Sep 2009, 01:48 pm »

The V-1 has more transparency and certainly better bass response.

Like HT cOz mentioned already, it has the versatility that allows it to easily work well in any sized room. That is a huge plus.

S Clark · « **Reply #18 on:** 3 Sep 2009, 02:30 pm »

Derrell said that he is planning to dedicate a room to the system, so I would bet that the LS6 would have enough room. I still like the LS6 slightly over the latest version of the V-1, but the V-1 is soooooo much easier to assemble, and easier to power. Either speaker will keep you happy for a very long time.

kingdeezie · « **Reply #19 on:** 3 Sep 2009, 03:45 pm »

I would most certainly consider room size with the LS6.

I honestly feel like you need a much bigger room then I currently have to get the most out of them.

My room is 13x19x8, and everyday I struggle convincing myself it sounds okay.

They do some things amazingly well like dynamics, but there are problems I have ever day becuase of how they are positioned in my room.

My midrange is totally chaos right now. There is an upper mid-range glaring, and the lower midrange gets swallowed up by the bass, so I lose a lot of vocal detail...

The room is treated, but obviously not enough or properly....

Its one big mess; but I hate to get rid of them because of the things they do well..

However, its a struggle to sit down and enjoy them the way it sounds now, and I am having a hard time fixing it...

I only share all this because I think the LSs might be better then the V-1s in a bigger room, but they are VERY room dependent.