[drummermitchell]

Great picts Keith.Nice to have the variety,telecasts,strats,Les paul's ect.different moods for sure.they all sing superbly in their own way ..

[95Dyna]

I disagree with the tube preamp idea...In my opinion, you match Bryston pre amp to Bryston amp for best results. In regards to impedance matching, among other things.

There are many people on AudioCircle and elsewhere, that have mated a tube preamp to very neutral solid state amps, including Bryston.  For them, it was the perfect solution, resulting in a less sterile analytical sound that to them sounded richer and fuller.
 
Impedance matching is important, but a reputable audio dealer should be able to recommend and offer appropriate models that have synergy.  But, of course, a demo in your room with your equipment and ears is the only way to know.
 
YMMV.
 
Steve

Bryston is not sterile...it's got a lot of virility.

Well, that would mean they like to color the sound with that tube device. To each is own, but it's not neutral sound or accurate stereophonic reproduction.

Roger that, Vegasdave.  I bought my first Bryston amps in June, a pair of 7B sq. and they don't need a tube preamp to mellow the sound.  They have a tubelike quality on their own with the BP26.  They sound as good at low volumes as they do past 12:00 on the BP26.  These two observations are consistent with all the reviews coming in on the new squared series 4B and above.  And please don't tell me the 7's don't have the grunt to handle the 802's.  Mine are driving some of the nastiest speakers you'll ever see and even at higher volumes they don't compress the sound and don't break a sweat.  I stand my ground with an earlier post the cause of 1oldguy's dissatisfaction with his system lies somewhere beyond the 7B's back door.

Bill

[Dilbert]

  And please don't tell me the 7's don't have the grunt to handle the 802's.  Mine are driving some of the nastiest speakers you'll ever see and even at higher volumes they don't compress the sound and don't break a sweat.  I stand my ground with an earlier post the cause of 1oldguy's dissatisfaction with his system lies somewhere beyond the 7B's back door.

Bill

I agree - keep the amps, there is no way the problem is with them.

[srb]

Well, that would mean they like to color the sound with that tube device. To each is own, but it's not neutral sound or accurate stereophonic reproduction.

Absolutely right, but that's apparently not what 1oldguy wants. He previously said "I did try it with the head phones. Got the same impression."  He did not like the neutral accurate presentation of the Bryston BCD-1 CD player feeding into the Bryston BP-26 preamp. (I don't know what the headphones were, but again, 802's, 7B's and room acoustics were not part of that equation).
 
Some people prefer the even harmonic distortion coloration of tubes, and there are many audiophiles that have gone through scads of high-end equipment and finally settled on a tube preamp and a solid state amplifier, that's all.
 
I was just throwing out a possibility of taming the too-accurate system without starting over and taking an immediate $5K + hit.
 
But if I were to sell off equipment, I might sell the B&W's but would definitely keep the Brystons.
 
Steve

[1oldguy]

Brandon

I knew you'd be lurking so I figured I'd post the pics for you 

Keith

Hi Keith

I was at WE today.I heard the 804S with some movie samples on.What was interesting is that with movies I was really impressed.

[SF]

1oldguy;
I think now that you have a Bryston top-end all set up, you should convince your dealer, from whom you have purchased quite a few pieces, to let you aucition whatever speakers he has in stock to see if changing the speaker might do the trick for you. I agree with others, the 7Bs should bring thunder into your room. I don't mean to uselessly persist; just trying to provide options.

[1oldguy]

Hi SF

My dealer is waiting for the arrival of a modest receiver and will get one of the guys to come here and set it all up for me.So I will wait it out for just a tad longer.My dealer is a great guy,really trying to help me out.The other speakers he has are Monitor Audio.Heard them a little ways back.

[Mad Mr H]

Oh Boy!

Sorry to hear the way things have gone for you, But I do understand.

Are they SST² 7B's - I don't have any of them........(yet  )

Colour?   sorry Color? 

17 or 19?

With holes for rack mounting?

What else were you selling?

Maybe PM me - PS I really should not buy any more this millenium 
Maybe some food 

Andy.

[KeithA]

Brandon

I knew you'd be lurking so I figured I'd post the pics for you 

Keith

Hi Keith

I was at WE today.I heard the 804S with some movie samples on.What was interesting is that with movies I was really impressed.

Yep. The 804s are what I have. Those with a great sub would do wonders on movies. You'd still in somewhat the same camp when you went back to your 2 channel audio, though With yoiur sub and cente channel, even the 805s would impress you in 5.1 in your room

The Monitor Audio speakers are the ones I told you about I went with in my little mini living room stereo. Mine are the bookshelves, not the floor standers.

As far as the movies go, you would be impressed since the dynamics of the movies and their recording quality is way ahead of the music you like to play

Keith

[KeithA]

Best of luck selling your gear, old guy. Sorry it didn't work out for ya. But, c'est la vie, right? 

For the love of Peter vegasdave, you have got the wrong province

A more proper term would be....

"Now luh, da arse is gone right out of er!"


Remember, we are all different up here in Canada, eh?

 

Yes, I know about Canada...I grew up near the border in Detroit. haha.


"Now luh, da arse is gone right out of er!"

What does this mean? 

Basically, things just ain't goin' as they should have. Not FUBAR...but close

Keith

[Laundrew]

Best of luck selling your gear, old guy. Sorry it didn't work out for ya. But, c'est la vie, right? 

For the love of Peter vegasdave, you have got the wrong province

A more proper term would be....

"Now luh, da arse is gone right out of er!"


Remember, we are all different up here in Canada, eh?

 

Yes, I know about Canada...I grew up near the border in Detroit. haha.


"Now luh, da arse is gone right out of er!"

What does this mean? 

Basically, things just ain't goin' as they should have. Not FUBAR...but close

Keith

Thank you Keith I hope that Brandon is also going to buy you lunch

[vegasdave]

Best of luck selling your gear, old guy. Sorry it didn't work out for ya. But, c'est la vie, right? 

For the love of Peter vegasdave, you have got the wrong province

A more proper term would be....

"Now luh, da arse is gone right out of er!"


Remember, we are all different up here in Canada, eh?

 

Yes, I know about Canada...I grew up near the border in Detroit. haha.


"Now luh, da arse is gone right out of er!"

What does this mean? 

Basically, things just ain't goin' as they should have. Not FUBAR...but close

Keith

I see. Thanks for the explanation.

[vegasdave]

1oldguy;
I think now that you have a Bryston top-end all set up, you should convince your dealer, from whom you have purchased quite a few pieces, to let you aucition whatever speakers he has in stock to see if changing the speaker might do the trick for you. I agree with others, the 7Bs should bring thunder into your room. I don't mean to uselessly persist; just trying to provide options.

I concur.

[vegasdave]

Well, that would mean they like to color the sound with that tube device. To each is own, but it's not neutral sound or accurate stereophonic reproduction.

Absolutely right, but that's apparently not what 1oldguy wants. He previously said "I did try it with the head phones. Got the same impression."  He did not like the neutral accurate presentation of the Bryston BCD-1 CD player feeding into the Bryston BP-26 preamp. (I don't know what the headphones were, but again, 802's, 7B's and room acoustics were not part of that equation).
 
Some people prefer the even harmonic distortion coloration of tubes, and there are many audiophiles that have gone through scads of high-end equipment and finally settled on a tube preamp and a solid state amplifier, that's all.
 
I was just throwing out a possibility of taming the too-accurate system without starting over and taking an immediate $5K + hit.
 
But if I were to sell off equipment, I might sell the B&W's but would definitely keep the Brystons.
 
Steve

I won't argue with your points. I'm glad you see my point(s.)

I agree, sell the B&Ws and keep the Bryston.

[vegasdave]

Hey oldguy, you just don't want the equipment anymore, right? You don't like it, and it's disappointing.

Would you be willing to try (audition at home) another speaker before you put the equipment on the used market?

Also, every audio manufacturer is gonna have a few people who did not like the sound. That isn't a knock on Bryston, that's just the way it goes sometimes. You can't win 'em all.

[Laundrew]

I disagree with the tube preamp idea...In my opinion, you match Bryston pre amp to Bryston amp for best results. In regards to impedance matching, among other things.

There are many people on AudioCircle and elsewhere, that have mated a tube preamp to very neutral solid state amps, including Bryston.  For them, it was the perfect solution, resulting in a less sterile analytical sound that to them sounded richer and fuller.
 
Impedance matching is important, but a reputable audio dealer should be able to recommend and offer appropriate models that have synergy.  But, of course, a demo in your room with your equipment and ears is the only way to know.
 
YMMV.
 
Steve

Bryston is not sterile...it's got a lot of virility.

Well, that would mean they like to color the sound with that tube device. To each is own, but it's not neutral sound or accurate stereophonic reproduction.

Roger that, Vegasdave.  I bought my first Bryston amps in June, a pair of 7B sq. and they don't need a tube preamp to mellow the sound.  They have a tubelike quality on their own with the BP26.  They sound as good at low volumes as they do past 12:00 on the BP26.  These two observations are consistent with all the reviews coming in on the new squared series 4B and above.  And please don't tell me the 7's don't have the grunt to handle the 802's.  Mine are driving some of the nastiest speakers you'll ever see and even at higher volumes they don't compress the sound and don't break a sweat.  I stand my ground with an earlier post the cause of 1oldguy's dissatisfaction with his system lies somewhere beyond the 7B's back door.

Bill

So true about the 7s   Bill - did you go the SACD route

Be well...

[95Dyna]

I disagree with the tube preamp idea...In my opinion, you match Bryston pre amp to Bryston amp for best results. In regards to impedance matching, among other things.

There are many people on AudioCircle and elsewhere, that have mated a tube preamp to very neutral solid state amps, including Bryston.  For them, it was the perfect solution, resulting in a less sterile analytical sound that to them sounded richer and fuller.
 
Impedance matching is important, but a reputable audio dealer should be able to recommend and offer appropriate models that have synergy.  But, of course, a demo in your room with your equipment and ears is the only way to know.
 
YMMV.
 
Steve

Bryston is not sterile...it's got a lot of virility.

Well, that would mean they like to color the sound with that tube device. To each is own, but it's not neutral sound or accurate stereophonic reproduction.

Roger that, Vegasdave.  I bought my first Bryston amps in June, a pair of 7B sq. and they don't need a tube preamp to mellow the sound.  They have a tubelike quality on their own with the BP26.  They sound as good at low volumes as they do past 12:00 on the BP26.  These two observations are consistent with all the reviews coming in on the new squared series 4B and above.  And please don't tell me the 7's don't have the grunt to handle the 802's.  Mine are driving some of the nastiest speakers you'll ever see and even at higher volumes they don't compress the sound and don't break a sweat.  I stand my ground with an earlier post the cause of 1oldguy's dissatisfaction with his system lies somewhere beyond the 7B's back door.

Bill

So true about the 7s   Bill - did you go the SACD route

Be well...

Hi Andy,

I'll PM you to avoid knocking the thread off course.

Bill

[1oldguy]

Update'

The interesting thing is that the Acoustic guitar I play doesn't sound as lively,somewhat like a thud.It rang more and projected better in my old place.
last night I set up the Kuro Flat Panel.This being my second unit.I have not heard better speakers ever on any set for the record.At anyrate it used to sound glorious at the other place.The bass was fuller,and the dialog wasn't as flat.  Don't get me wrong it still is way beyond what you expect.But it's pretty clear to me that  the sound is being hampered at current premises.

I also feel that the room is close to 50 % of the perceived performance out of any type of sound system.
I also still feel that the mid-range in the 800 series is not as neutral as claimed,and depending on the flavor of music "Can" be a great.After 9 hours on the system I feel that the bass is going in the right direction.I had on some Supertramp on yesterday and the imagining was incredible.As for bass wasn't too bad there either.

I am also surprised,I think it's the speaker, though I don't have enough experience  using the gear I have to know for sure,but it feels like the system isn't happy with a lower volume going from a cd player to amp to speakers and without any EQ or artificial sweeteners as it were.I was expecting more presence,fullness at lower volumes given the redesigned power curved of the amps.I also  realize that the 800 series loves the power.

Rant Over.



 

[Mag]

Sounds to me that you have a dead acoustic room.
If you are able to set up a multi-channel system I recomend trying a Yamaha av/receiver RX-V 1700, just to see if it solves your situation.

An av/receiver allows you to control bass better. You can use the YPAO digital room correction, but requires the presence speakers in order to get it to work. Uses a parametric equalizer and has 3 different settings for high frequencies, depending on your speakers as to which sounds best.
As well, I've been an advocate for the enhancement feature on the Yamaha, and this just might be the ticket to the fuller sound you seek at lower volumes, as it seems to add the missing harmonics stripped in the recording process. However reading the manual is necassary in figuring out the full features of the unit.

The enhancement feature works in 2 channel mode, but I find that Pure Direct sounds better. Multi-channel processes the bass different than 2-channel an maybe to your liking.

I don't know what else to suggest, hope this helps?

[Dilbert]

Note electronics and especially woofers need some break-in time.

Also FYI:

http://www.ashly.com/gqxseriesgraphic.html