[lazydays]

I believe in power cord differences. My PS Audio product in my system have created a changed sound. I am interested in the results of this test.

I'd suggest you do a search on that brand of cables on the Asylum.
gary

To discover what? Folk will either agree or not and not a bit of that opinion matters in my system and my ears. I hear audio change with the cords and I like the change. The cost of these entry cables was minimal and the cables will remain in my system probably forever, moving from new component to new component. I have never heard a pricey PS Audio cable but their entry series is very nice indeed.

Too much of the argument on these tweaks is of the "Who you going to believe, me or your lying ears?" type. I'll go with my hearing.

a few years back it was discovered that there was another brand of cable sold that was identical in everyway, but at less than half the price. It was then later found out that whoever it was that made the cables for P.S.Audio also made cables with other name brands on them. I never bought either one of them, but there was quite a discussion on the subject (been two or three years ago). My post wasn't a knock on the P.S.Audio cables, but more or less a note that there are other similar cables out there.
gary

[lazydays]

I do have a question...if you had only one premium cable, to which component would you attach it and why??

my preamp. Why? Because in the past I've found that is about the only unit I can instantly catch the results on.
But if you get into I.C.'s it's another story
gary

[turkey]

If a power cord can filter out some of the garbage well, it might very well have a chance of being a good system improvement.

And there would be an even better chance that a couple of bucks worth of caps and/or inductors would filter out the garbage just as well.

[avahifi]

The purpose of this thread was a kind offer to see if I can hear the results of a "better" power cord.  Inasmuch as I will not be taking the cable apart, it will be limited to musical results only and some rudimentary bench tests.  Thus I will not be in a position to suggest that some passive parts used properly will have the same effect.  That might be true, but its not what I am after here.

Regards,

Frank Van Alstine

[JIMV]

I believe in power cord differences. My PS Audio product in my system have created a changed sound. I am interested in the results of this test.

I'd suggest you do a search on that brand of cables on the Asylum.
gary

To discover what? Folk will either agree or not and not a bit of that opinion matters in my system and my ears. I hear audio change with the cords and I like the change. The cost of these entry cables was minimal and the cables will remain in my system probably forever, moving from new component to new component. I have never heard a pricey PS Audio cable but their entry series is very nice indeed.

Too much of the argument on these tweaks is of the "Who you going to believe, me or your lying ears?" type. I'll go with my hearing.

a few years back it was discovered that there was another brand of cable sold that was identical in everyway, but at less than half the price. It was then later found out that whoever it was that made the cables for P.S.Audio also made cables with other name brands on them. I never bought either one of them, but there was quite a discussion on the subject (been two or three years ago). My post wasn't a knock on the P.S.Audio cables, but more or less a note that there are other similar cables out there.
gary

I know there is a universe of cables, and some are bound to be better than the PS line, I was just noting the cult like opinions for and against the idea of a cable sound. I like PS Audio. I wish I had the money for their powerplant and lust after the new CD/hard drive combo....I just have the income of a retiree and must improve my system where my wallet takes me.

I do believe $1000 cables of any sort are madness, but that is just the cheapskate in me.

[bwaslo]

Should this experiment come out with Frank and/or a number of other people hearing a difference between two power cords, might I talk those involved into letting me borrow the two cables afterward (and maybe the DAC they were powering)?  I'd really like to run some DiffMaker tests on these to see what signal differences might be happening.   I'd be happy to post online the difference WAV or DYF files afterward.  That would give everyone interested something to listen to (synchronized recordings and a listenable difference recording).

To date, the only cables I've tested were between a cheap set of interconnects and a merely inexpensive set of interconnects (result: a pretty damn silent difference file, but then no one was claiming any wonders for either cable).  I've tried some tests with speaker cables earlier on, but had trouble with ground loops and a software bug (now solved) and haven't been able to try again since.  I want to try power cables, but one problem is I'm too cheap to outright buy any of the expensive ones that might be considered relevant.  And I doubt the result of such a test would mean much to anyone unless the test was run with the cables powering something which people were already reporting a non-subtle difference with.  Of course, even with that arrangement, it could be that other associated equipment might be involved in making some difference happen during normal listening tests.  But that might help narrow down what, if anything, is happening.

[lousytourist]

I'd be happy -thrilled, actually- if Frank would only put in a IEC connector and let the end user decide on power cords.

And three conductor, not polarized two....

And last and probably least, free up space on the rear panel by not including the two conductor slave AC jacks. Evil, anti-musical electrons can enter the equipment through the openings.

[turkey]

And last and probably least, free up space on the rear panel by not including the two conductor slave AC jacks. Evil, anti-musical electrons can enter the equipment through the openings.

I think I know of a new product that could help you. I was doing Jeff Kait's Teleportation Tweak and my telepathy suddenly started working. My mental antennae locked in on the Elemental Voice Linus Pauling Research Facility and I got visions of this new product.

It's the New Electron Exorcist. It will keep those evil electrons out.

I don't have a picture, but it's shaped like a bobbypin. It's made of Nerditsplatzium, so it's expensive. Do you have a lot of liquid assets?

[satfrat]

And last and probably least, free up space on the rear panel by not including the two conductor slave AC jacks. Evil, anti-musical electrons can enter the equipment through the openings.

I think I know of a new product that could help you. I was doing Jeff Kait's Teleportation Tweak and my telepathy suddenly started working. My mental antennae locked in on the Elemental Voice Linus Pauling Research Facility and I got visions of this new product.

It's the New Electron Exorcist. It will keep those evil electrons out.

I don't have a picture, but it's shaped like a bobbypin. It's made of Nerditsplatzium, so it's expensive. Do you have a lot of liquid assets?

[markC]

Frank, I think it's great that you have the open mindedness to do this. I look forward to the post listening impressions. Any idea how your going to go about the comparison yet?

[bummrush]

If Frank hears a difference ,i doubt he's not man enough to be honest in letting his opin out,maybe it will be a turning point who knows.

[Wayner]

So are you saying that Frank is not a credible manufacturer? Or a great man that stands for many tried and true philosophies?

Wayner

[jhm731]

So are you saying that Frank is not a credible manufacturer? Or a great man that stands for many tried and true philosophies?

Wayner

This a direct quote from an email I received from Mr.Van Alstine.

"The power cable is absolutely the least thing possible to be
concerned about. 

This is pure audiophlake foo foo dust.

If there was a "better" power cord out there, we would absolutely use
it in production, but there is no such thing, just of inane voodo
from those that know absolutely nothing about electrical engineering."

[zybar]

If Frank hears a difference ,i doubt he's not man enough to be honest in letting his opin out,maybe it will be a turning point who knows.

I disagree 100%.

While Frank and I definitely don't see eye to eye on many topics, he is stand up guy.  

If Frank says he will give Paul's power cords a fair listen and properly evaluate them, I have no doubt that he will.

George

[Marbles]

If Frank hears a difference ,i doubt he's not man enough to be honest in letting his opin out,maybe it will be a turning point who knows.

I disagree 100%.

While Frank and I definitely don't see eye to eye on many topics, he is stand up guy.  

If Frank says he will give Paul's power cords a fair listen and properly evaluate them, I have no doubt that he will.

George

George, I think you were both saying the same thing.  I think it was bummrush's double negative that threw you.

[zybar]

If Frank hears a difference ,i doubt he's not man enough to be honest in letting his opin out,maybe it will be a turning point who knows.

I disagree 100%.

While Frank and I definitely don't see eye to eye on many topics, he is stand up guy.  

If Frank says he will give Paul's power cords a fair listen and properly evaluate them, I have no doubt that he will.

George

George, I think you were both saying the same thing.  I think it was bummrush's double negative that threw you.

Oops!   

My apologies Bummrush.

Thanks for catching that Rob. 

George

[satfrat]

So are you saying that Frank is not a credible manufacturer? Or a great man that stands for many tried and true philosophies?

Wayner

This a direct quote from an email I received from Mr.Van Alstine.

"The power cable is absolutely the least thing possible to be
concerned about. 

This is pure audiophlake foo foo dust.

If there was a "better" power cord out there, we would absolutely use
it in production, but there is no such thing, just of inane voodo
from those that know absolutely nothing about electrical engineering."

I think personal emails are just that, and have no business in this thread. All you're doing AFAIC is flaming.

Shame on you!

Cheers,
Robin

[jhm731]

So are you saying that Frank is not a credible manufacturer? Or a great man that stands for many tried and true philosophies?

Wayner

This a direct quote from an email I received from Mr.Van Alstine.

"The power cable is absolutely the least thing possible to be
concerned about. 

This is pure audiophlake foo foo dust.

If there was a "better" power cord out there, we would absolutely use
it in production, but there is no such thing, just of inane voodo
from those that know absolutely nothing about electrical engineering."

I think personal emails are just that, and have no business in this thread. All you're doing AFAIC is flaming.

Shame on you!

Cheers,
Robin

Mr. Van Alstine posted info from my emails to him on his forum.

I'm just following his lead.

Hau'oli Makahiki Hou!

[Wayner]

I'm glad you and I are not friends.

[Marbles]

JHM731, what's the date of that PM?

Thanks