PORTED NEO-2X IMPRESSIONS

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PORTED NEO-2X IMPRESSIONS
« on: 7 Oct 2008, 12:55 am »
has anyone done a ported NEO-2X kit yet? i was curious what your listening impressions were. as far as i know, most of the impression post have been of the sealed setup. thanks guys
« Last Edit: 7 Oct 2008, 03:48 pm by AUDFILE74 »

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Re: PORTED NEO-2X
« Reply #1 on: 7 Oct 2008, 01:29 am »
IIRC it will need to be 1 cuFT

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Re: PORTED NEO-2X IMPRESSIONS
« Reply #2 on: 7 Oct 2008, 06:48 pm »
has anyone done a ported NEO-2X kit yet? i was curious what your listening impressions were. as far as i know, most of the impression post have been of the sealed setup. thanks guys

Sorry had some life delays, but I'm finally about to paint, mine certainly "look" bigger than I expected

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Re: PORTED NEO-2X IMPRESSIONS
« Reply #3 on: 21 Jan 2009, 01:05 am »
so guys, what have you noticed after long term listening?

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Re: PORTED NEO-2X IMPRESSIONS
« Reply #4 on: 23 Jan 2009, 04:04 am »
It is fair, if not obligatory on this board, to say that Danny knows what the hell he is doing. He selects excellent components without breaking the bank, designs excellent products, and then just for good measure throws in some mighty fine service to boot. In the end we, the consumer,  end up with Rock solid air-vibrating devices that manage to reproduce sound in such a way that we scorn the foolish who think they are "audiophiles". Are his designs the best available? I have know idea, but I do know that the price point is well worth it.

...so, in short my speakers are great.

...which is not very helpful.

OK

The fact is these are the best speakers I have ever had, I think that for me to buy speakers like this I could be looking at around 6K a pair? I have know Idea. But I do know that they sound fantastic.

... again not helpful.

The Highs: we know the tweeters rock. They are not harsh at all, and they are spooky clear. I can't really say that they sound like this or that, they sound like nothing. Sound is just there. In my case I'm playing them too close to a wall, so they probably don't have that magical separations that the neo3 tweeters are known for, but that's OK, the point is in my real world undersized room, they sound clear, and musical.

Now we get to "BIG" issue. I have come to the decided conclusion that I way over-build things, not that I didn't have fun, nor that I didn't WANT to over do things. In addition to looking really cool, the boxes are rock solid, and quite heavy. I think this is the way speakers are supposed to be made.

I think mid-range is were speakers need to shine, where most of the sounds we here come from. Not the extreme high, or the extreme low. Sound should not be muddy, or groggy or blaring, and the ported Neo-2xs are none of those things. They are simply one tweeter with one woofer reproducing sound cleanly. I LOVE the fact that not only me, but my wife and kids are hearing things in their own music they have never heard before. There are songs for which I have NEVER understood the lyrics, and now I can!  Sweet. So, I'm happy.

But wait there's more.

My wife and kids don't know how to make our receiver work, and I had some settings "adjusted" so that the subwoofer was actually off. And, well, nobody really noticed. To be fair. I have no fancy sound measuring software,  and our room is "real world" (imperfect) so I don't know if they are really extending down to 40 hz, but lets just say they are. Reality is that not a whole lot of music goes below 40 hz, and in a small room, those two woofers sound clear, solid, and not overworked.  I think when we cranked it one day, they started to sound "loud" and might have pushed the speakers to their max point, but it still wasn't harsh.

When I say "not harsh" I mean that you turn it up and enjoy the sound and doesn't bother you and you don't think its that loud until you try to talk to the person sitting next to you...

Although these are exactly what I wanted, if were to build another pair of ported neo-2Xs, I would try for something more svelte. If you were looking for a "smaller", "slightly less expensive" design, which brings out the full potential of a two way design, I don't know if you can beat them.

So that's about it. My wife think they look prety and sound cool, the red tweter facelates are a hit as is the dark gray. (major WAF). As mentioned above she points out that you can hear things previously unheard, like in a couple duets she could actually hear parts (or just hear the fact that it was a duet).

In other news I can tell you that my 7month old daughter can scream at 110 db., with sustained screams of 90-100db.
Hearing protection is recommended for diaper changes.

Also, just a reminder that the servo sub is also quite nice.

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Re: PORTED NEO-2X IMPRESSIONS
« Reply #5 on: 23 Jan 2009, 02:38 pm »


In other news I can tell you that my 7month old daughter can scream at 110 db., with sustained screams of 90-100db.
Hearing protection is recommended for diaper changes.

babies don't hold back do they? thanks for the great review fred

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« Reply #6 on: 23 Jan 2009, 07:57 pm »
Congratulations on your new babIES, Fred!

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Re: PORTED NEO-2X IMPRESSIONS
« Reply #7 on: 24 Jan 2009, 02:28 pm »
Do we have any pics of these floorstanders?

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Re: PORTED NEO-2X IMPRESSIONS
« Reply #9 on: 24 Jan 2009, 06:15 pm »
Do we have any pics of these floorstanders?

I will take new pictures at a higher resolution (the iphone can only do so much) after I finish "remodeling (painting et. al. the room). At this point there is paint on the wall, but I need to add a shelf, and do a little more clean up of the wires.

I've also contemplated bringing them up to my office in Addison for auditioning, but they are rather heavy.

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Re: PORTED NEO-2X IMPRESSIONS
« Reply #10 on: 24 Jan 2009, 09:50 pm »
That would be great. I have the Neo1x pair that danny has out for audition...so far I really like them. I put them both in my HT room and my somewhat of a 2 channel room. I am looking at building a Neo2x bookshelf.

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« Reply #11 on: 7 Feb 2009, 05:12 pm »
I finished a pair of ported Neo-2X's last night.  They were retrofit into a pair of X-SLS speakers from AV123.  Understandably I don't have a lot listening time on them yet, but they're impressing me so far.

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« Reply #12 on: 7 Feb 2009, 06:13 pm »
I finished a pair of ported Neo-2X's last night.  They were retrofit into a pair of X-SLS speakers from AV123.  Understandably I don't have a lot listening time on them yet, but they're impressing me so far.

Will be interested in reading your listening impressions of the NEO2X kits in X-SLS cabinets. 

The NEO2X in the sealed PE 0.5cuft rectangular cabinets are sounding better with time.  Probably about 20 hours on them at this point.  Using a pair of PBS for stands to make them a three way acoustic suspension system.   :)

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« Reply #13 on: 7 Feb 2009, 10:28 pm »
I finished a pair of ported Neo-2X's last night.  They were retrofit into a pair of X-SLS speakers from AV123.  Understandably I don't have a lot listening time on them yet, but they're impressing me so far.

I look forward to hearing your review as I'm considering this option as well.

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« Reply #14 on: 9 Feb 2009, 07:32 am »
I finished a pair of ported Neo-2X's last night.  They were retrofit into a pair of X-SLS speakers from AV123.  Understandably I don't have a lot listening time on them yet, but they're impressing me so far.

I look forward to hearing your review as I'm considering this option as well.

+1  I'm curious to hear what you think too.  How close was the internal volume of the x-sls and did you have to make many alterations other than the holes for the drivers?  I wonder if AV123 has any empty cabinets sitting around I could get for a good deal.  I bet my rs450's could be retrofit somehow but I wouldn't want to a) waste the money I spent on the drivers and xover when I bought them or b) risk screwing them up and having no way to replace the enclosures.

Have you heard the original sealed design?  I'm curious how it compares. (not that I've heard either yet, but I'm working on that)

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« Reply #15 on: 9 Feb 2009, 06:20 pm »
I look forward to hearing your review as I'm considering this option as well.

It isn't the most trivial modification...  You will need absolutely need a router and a circle jig.

The biggest problem is that you need something near the center of the existing tweeter hole to anchor the circle jig for the router.  I used hot glue (don't use too much it sticks shockingly well) and a specially trimmed piece of plywood that fit through the woofer's hole with another 3/4" piece thick piece glued to it near the center to bring it up flush to the surface of the bezel.  Once in place you measure and mark the new center on the glued piece and drill the hole for the pivot pin. 

Another problem is that if you follow the design for the Neo-2X exactly you won't have enough space in the front bezel for the BG tweeter.  With a 5 15/16" spacing between the center of the drivers the edge of the tweeter's mount will extend to the very edge of the front bezel.  I had to cheat a few 16'ths of an inch to prevent that from happening.

Lastly, if you plan to replace the included X-SLS damping material with No-Rez...  Well good luck.  It seems Cali used wood glue to hold in the damping material and it basically doesn't come out.

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« Reply #16 on: 9 Feb 2009, 06:24 pm »
+1  I'm curious to hear what you think too.  How close was the internal volume of the x-sls and did you have to make many alterations other than the holes for the drivers?

Per my e-mails with Danny the x-sls is an exact drop in for the ported Neo-2X aside from the modifications needed to the front baffle/bezel to accommodate the larger diameter BG tweeter and different driver spacing.  The internal volume is correct, as is the tuning frequency of the port.

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Have you heard the original sealed design?  I'm curious how it compares. (not that I've heard either yet, but I'm working on that)

No, I have not heard the original sealed design.

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Re: PORTED NEO-2X IMPRESSIONS
« Reply #17 on: 10 Feb 2009, 04:44 pm »
Here are my early listening impressions when comparing the ported Neo-2X to the X-LS and X-SLS:

First, they sound great.  They have noticeably better treble energy and clarity without sounding bright.  The bass seems more defined and punchy (tight?) also.  The bass is a little bit more boomy in my room (compared only to the X-SLS) though I know the room has a tendency to "boom".  I should also point out that the character of the boominess is different from the X-LS which is much more sloppy.  For whatever reason I didn't find the X-SLS to have nearly as much boominess as the X-LS's.  (I suspect it's because they are tuned lower.)  Lastly, I don't think the Neo-2X play quite as low as the X-SLS did, though I don't think they're too far off.

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« Reply #18 on: 10 Feb 2009, 06:47 pm »
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Lastly, I don't think the Neo-2X play quite as low as the X-SLS did, though I don't think they're too far off.

They should play just as low the X-SLS does. You'll need to put a good 100 hours or more on the woofer for it to fully loosen up though.

If it continues to be a little boomy in your room then you might consider tuning them a little lower by dropping in a longer port.

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