[opnly bafld]

You're "too busy" to send out one disc for trial listening on an Audio Circle Tour... sounds like you need a marketing dept for a more plausible reason! 

Are you going to the RMAF with your disks? Seems like a good place to spread the word with some demos.
I think a lot of AC members will show up in SP Tech Room 1004 at the Marriott.

While we would like to, we sadly can not spare the time this year. Thank you for your further thoughts! We hope that everyone that does attend RMAF has a great time!

He says that he is too busy to go to RMAF, if I read correctly

Lin

[TONEPUB]

Ok, I'll bite.

How about if I send one disc that I know sounds kind of harsh and one that
I know sounds really good?

And I get my originals back, correct?

If I send two discs in, how soon can I get them back?

[TONEPUB]

And as far as good digital, I've got a Naim 555, Wadia 781i SE, a Meridian 808 and an 808.2 and a Nagra CDP.

So, I'll be happy to play the original and treated disc on all of these players to see the diff.

If it sounds great, I'll be happy to report, but if it does not, same thing....

Ready to send discs and money.  And just so you know, the good disc would be the
new MoFi of Frank Sinatra's "Nice and Easy".  The lousy disc is Kiss Alive.  Worst
sounding CD I have.

So I'll be curious what you can do to a great CD as well as a terrible one.

Let's roll!

[undigitize]

I don't understand...to have 50 cd's undigitized costs $2250, and what you get is copies of the 50 cd's that sound better? 

added:  never mind, I read the site a little more and I get it.  I do find it curious that in the testimonial section, someone says that you usually only get this kind of quality with a really top notch DAC.  I find it curious, because for the price of copying all my cd's, I could actually buy a top notch DAC that has some resale value.

Having previously discussed the testimonial with the customer, he is saying only one element can be matched by state of the art DACs. For everything else, no current DAC or player can do what the undigitize process is capable. As is, you can probably count the manufacturers - and possibly even the DACs and players - that can achieve this one element on one hand. It is likely the majority of people that will have their entire collection undigitized will already own their current favorite DAC or player. Regardless of whether they do or not, they will still be able to make use of their undigitized discs when the likely inevitable upgrade to the next DAC or player occurs, and have received endless hours of greater musical enjoyment.

He says that he is too busy to go to RMAF, if I read correctly

Lin

You have interpreted this correctly. Thank you for providing the clarification!

Ok, I'll bite.

How about if I send one disc that I know sounds kind of harsh and one that
I know sounds really good?

And I get my originals back, correct?

If I send two discs in, how soon can I get them back?

And as far as good digital, I've got a Naim 555, Wadia 781i SE, a Meridian 808 and an 808.2 and a Nagra CDP.

So, I'll be happy to play the original and treated disc on all of these players to see the diff.

If it sounds great, I'll be happy to report, but if it does not, same thing....

Ready to send discs and money.  And just so you know, the good disc would be the
new MoFi of Frank Sinatra's "Nice and Easy".  The lousy disc is Kiss Alive.  Worst
sounding CD I have.

So I'll be curious what you can do to a great CD as well as a terrible one.

Let's roll!

That would be acceptable. And yes, of course you receive your original discs back. We have PMd you with further details, and look forward to your purchase and impressions!

[mcullinan]

Ok, I'll bite.

How about if I send one disc that I know sounds kind of harsh and one that
I know sounds really good?

And I get my originals back, correct?

If I send two discs in, how soon can I get them back?

Heyy! No biting!

M

[BrassEar]

From the details on that site they could be using a witch doctor that BREATHES on the CD for all we know. Maybe they have assembled a cult that holds hands around the CD and chants the evil digititis away?

George Louis was charging $5 per CD and I never noticed a difference. I guess for $50, my placebo instincts would have to hear an improvement.

Now I know how the term AUDIOPHOOLS became popular.

[TONEPUB]

So, discs are going to go out shortly and we'll see what the scoop is.

Watch for a full report when we get them back.  If it's that good,
I'll be happy to talk it up.  With audiophile records costing 50 bucks
a pop, this isn't as crazy as it sounds.

We shall see!

[JoshK]

Well, from my perspective, whether or not you believe it is possible to add any value through copying of original media and doing whatever else, there was zero words, marketing or otherwise on the website describing what you are buying.  There is tons of legal disclaimers, but no substance.  There is also no physical address given or even postal box for the company.  I would be very leary of any dealings. Caveat f'in emptor.

[IronLion]

Cancel the order Jeff!  The guy is totally swamped with orders, so we should be hearing about how great it is soon anyways right?  I would never pay $50 to assuage my curiosity or skepticism. 

[mca]

Jeff, I applaud you for diving in and giving this a try. Much better than just condemning it right off the bat.

There are certainly much crazier tweeks that fetch a much higher price.  

Look forward to hearing your impressions.

[miklorsmith]

Yes, but those crazier tweaks that cost more dollars can at least be used on your entire collection.  That said, I'm interested to hear where this goes.

[richidoo]

Similar concept to this?
http://www.novaphysicsgroup.com/NonTechRURguidePAGE8.html

Maybe he is stripping out error codes using technique suggested above then burning very slowly to avoid dropping bits. If it takes an hour to do it, $50 would be the right price.

Instead of mfg the undigitized disks, I think selling the intellectual property as software licensing would be easier and more profitable and would allow sales of the invention to grow exponentially with little capital. You can tie down software very tight nowadays. Charge $5 per burn, licensee does it on their own PC.

I think leaving his address off the public website is wise considering the reception he is receiving here. Obviously he must provide it to the customer privately before a sale is made. For me it is more fun to assume a guy is legit, then explore and learn.

Jeff I (too) applaud your spirit of discovery. I also applaud your ethics in actually buying a product you intend to review to eliminate any conflict of interest. I wish more hifi publications had the same ethic. Freebies are payoff for good reviews, and for mediocre reviews to be craftily disguised as good.
Rich

[satfrat]

Well, from my perspective, whether or not you believe it is possible to add any value through copying of original media and doing whatever else, there was zero words, marketing or otherwise on the website describing what you are buying.  There is tons of legal disclaimers, but no substance.  There is also no physical address given or even postal box for the company.  I would be very leary of any dealings. Caveat f'in emptor.

I'm with ya 100% on this but following this thread makes me that much more happy that I have my 4000 albums on 2 hard drives. I can't phantom playing this undigitize thingamajig with my library.

Best of luck to those who do.

Cheers,
Robin

[TONEPUB]

Cancel the order Jeff!  The guy is totally swamped with orders, so we should be hearing about how great it is soon anyways right?  I would never pay $50 to assuage my curiosity or skepticism. 

Dude, It's my job to find out about this stuff!  If it's good and pretty demonstrably
better than the original (i.e. anyone off the street could hear the diff. easily)
I'll be happy to write it up.

The other thing I'm definitely going to investigate is what level of resolution do
you need to have to hear the diff. if there is one.  I've got everything from a $50
Pioneer 563 up to the Naim 555, so we'll see where the bumps are.

I must admit I do wish they would be a little more forthcoming about the
"proprietary" process.  That always gives me goosebumps in a bad kind of
way, but lets see....

I'll be happy to give you the findings either way.

[Bemopti123]

My honest answer after the first read...
 

a load of
 



I honestly believed that the only way to recover the greatness of a recording is a master itself, without all the great goodies and artifacts that are placed for passing aural gratification.  The idea that you can almost "magically" strip a recording of all the things that make it unsatisfactory, is almost like opening the "Holy Grail" of sound reproduction.  There are many so said "Holy" grails, but most, if not all of them are simply fakes.

As always, YMMV.

[poseidonsvoice]

Caveat emptor. I bow my head to Jeff Dorgay for taking up the challenge. I can't understand for the life of me why the proprietor of 'undigitize' doesn't list his or her name, nor contact information. There is enough legal mumbo jumbo in this to put me off along with the high costs! I quote from the FAQ section of the site:

Why have I been banned?Should we feel it is necessary, we will have informed you of the reasoning of your ban. If not, it is likely due to your character in some nature. We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

A little scary if you ask me. Of course, I've probably been banned! 

I'm with satfrat on this one. I'm thrilled that my ceedees are all burned onto my hard drive. Who needs a spinner unless its vinyl anyway?

Anand.

[SET Man]

....Who needs a spinner unless its vinyl anyway?

Anand.

Hey!

   I still like to spin my CDs.

   But seeing this thread make me feel sooooooooooooo happy that at least some of musics I like are still available on vinyls 

Take care,
Buddy

[DaveC113]

Similar concept to this?
http://www.novaphysicsgroup.com/NonTechRURguidePAGE8.html

Maybe he is stripping out error codes using technique suggested above then burning very slowly to avoid dropping bits. If it takes an hour to do it, $50 would be the right price.

Maybe he's trying to recoup his investment in a Nova Physics unit.... probably burning the output of one to a black cdr.

What would be even better is if he converted a $350 laptop into a memory player using freeware, and is using this to produce the product... on the beach sipping Pina Colodas and laughing all the way to the bank.

[TONEPUB]

I have to say that thought crossed my mind....
If I can get the Nova Physics people to cough one up for
review, we can investigate further.

Anyone in the audience have one that is willing to burn me
a CD?

[doug s.]

I don't understand...to have 50 cd's undigitized costs $2250, and what you get is copies of the 50 cd's that sound better? 

added:  never mind, I read the site a little more and I get it.  I do find it curious that in the testimonial section, someone says that you usually only get this kind of quality with a really top notch DAC.  I find it curious, because for the price of copying all my cd's, I could actually buy a top notch DAC that has some resale value.

We will consider the idea of an AudioCircle tour.

Please do...especially since it should cost you just about nothing.  We're a cheap and skeptical bunch, it would help your cause here a lot. 

The last eight words gave me quite a chuckle.

funny, it was the six words before those last eight, that gave me a chuckle!   

doug s.