[undigitize]

Hello music and audio lovers! We at undigitize wish to welcome you to the opening of out site. Please feel free to checkout our site, and we hope to hear from you soon!

[ecramer]

need to fix the link its broke

[ecramer]

need to fix the link its broke

Let me see if i get this right, I send you my cd and for $50 you do some voodoo magic to it and burn it to a black cd-r. Is that the gist of the situation or do you sell software to do this?

ED

[mcullinan]

What a bunch of crap.
But you say it works, hmm... Ill take $1 million dolahs werth.
Mike

[ted_b]

What are you doing that George Louis's RealityCheck cd replicator isn't?  (You are charging 10x what he charged. )  Where are the reviews, feedback, etc?  Why would an audiphile send you 3X the msrp of the actual cd without some sort of understanding of the value proposition and industry proof that it works?  Please advise.  Thx

[miklorsmith]

Why have I been banned?

Should we feel it is necessary, we will have informed you of the reasoning of your ban. If not, it is likely due to your character in some nature. We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

Covering your bases early, eh?   

Why do you use black CD-Rs, and not gold or some other type?

Based on our experiments with many different CD-R types, we have found that black CD-Rs best capture the qualities of analog. Black CD-Rs also most closely recreate the quality of original digital masters, in our experience. If you would like us to experiment with a different type of CD-R or to use for your order, feel free to contact us.

Black CD burning is nothing new, I built a rig off e-bay to do my own discs in 2003 or so based on Gary Koh's white paper.  I think I paid about $200 for everything.  It would have been less but I bought separate drives for ripping and burning.  The most expensive blanks I know about are the Matsui Golds at about $85 for 100.  These are archival quality with 100-year lifespan.  This doesn't sound like a big deal until you have numerous burned CDs in your collection which won't play anymore.  The normal ink doesn't live forever, many blanks don't last 5 years.  Memorex blacks which are the most common in the US run about $25/100.  Gary's "last" revision on the paper (from 2004):

http://www.genesisloudspeakers.com/support_papers.html

Different blanks do sound dissimilar and also separate from originals.  My first exposure to this was at Mr. Koh's factory in Seattle where Gary graciously demonstrated his midline, $45k speaker.  The sound was spectacular but he was most excited about the blanks, a few times he played the same song on three different black CDs and all were clearly different.  It was quite impressive.  I was doing all my CD listening from burned discs but have gotten away from it since veering off to hard-drive-based playback. 

I still have a long-term plan to get a battery or linear power supply built for my now-classic external Yamaha CRW-F1 burner.  It seems some of the Plextor drives are killer at this as well and some even have a visual comparator that lets you "see" that what's been burned is a perfect copy, a la EAC.

[Philistine]

My first reaction is that there is more legal stuff on the site, and minimal on the product/service - this is probably inevitable as the site/business gets up and running.  So, to get this moving, I would have a reviewer take a listen and simultaneously offer intro deals to get customer feedback and a buzz going, at $50 a time there is a huge skepticism hurdle to overcome - as can be seen already.
   

[WGH]

New businesses are always hard to start but particularly one with such a controversial product as your undigitize service. Advertising and marketing budgets are usually very small for start-ups, but even if you have a huge advertising blitz planned, word of mouth advertising is always the best. And the members here at AC have big mouths and a world wide reach.

A $100 (retail) cost would help grow your new business. Burn 2 black CDs and send them along with the original CDs to AudioCircle members for a tour. Like the current tour Lonewolf's SP Tech Mini's are making or the previous Altmann Attraction DAC tour, the tours introduce new products to skeptical audiophiles and gives much needed word of mouth advertising.

I use a PC based music system so I would not be on the tour unless you think that a ripped black CD has the same positive attributes as the same disk in a CD player.

Wayne

[miklorsmith]

One difference - the Timepiece and Attraction tours weren't done with commercial interests in mind.   

The tour is a great idea though, especially when the item has almost zero shipping cost nor risk of damage.  I'd volunteer to be on the tour.  The Altmann tour was set up with every listening station paying shipping cost to the next stop.  That setup worked out great, you could do the same thing and each person would only be out a few bucks.  You could make one condition that each listener has to post some comments in a thread and this could be the start of your marketing campaign.

[undigitize]

We apologize for the delay in our reply, as we have been swamped with orders! Thank you all for your thoughts, feedback, interest, and/or orders!

Let me see if i get this right, I send you my cd and for $50 you do some voodoo magic to it and burn it to a black cd-r. Is that the gist of the situation or do you sell software to do this?

ED

There is no voodoo magic, nor is there any software sold.

What are you doing that George Louis's RealityCheck cd replicator isn't?  (You are charging 10x what he charged. )  Where are the reviews, feedback, etc?  Why would an audiphile send you 3X the msrp of the actual cd without some sort of understanding of the value proposition and industry proof that it works?  Please advise.  Thx

We are doing what George Louis could only dream of. This is why we mention that we do not simply copy a CD using disc treatments. We have added a new testimonial section so you may read some of our recent feedback. As to the value proposition, XRCDs - which are well deservedly praised - can cost between $30 to as much as $60. We feel that the undigitize process achieves aural results no other current digital format can equal, and our customers agree. The end result will of course depend on the original "performance" and production quality.

Black CD burning is nothing new, I built a rig off e-bay to do my own discs in 2003 or so based on Gary Koh's white paper.  I think I paid about $200 for everything.  It would have been less but I bought separate drives for ripping and burning.  The most expensive blanks I know about are the Matsui Golds at about $85 for 100.  These are archival quality with 100-year lifespan.  This doesn't sound like a big deal until you have numerous burned CDs in your collection which won't play anymore.  The normal ink doesn't live forever, many blanks don't last 5 years.  Memorex blacks which are the most common in the US run about $25/100.  Gary's "last" revision on the paper (from 2004):

We would never claim that black CD burning is new. We have tested Matsui Golds and the gold Ultradisc. Both fell short of our black CD-Rs, in recreating the quality of original digital masters, in our experience. We would never use Memorex blacks, and understand the life span of various inks.

I use a PC based music system so I would not be on the tour unless you think that a ripped black CD has the same positive attributes as the same disk in a CD player.

Wayne

In a word, yes.


We will consider the idea of an AudioCircle tour. Thank you all again for thoughts, feedback, interest, and/or orders!

[WGH]

We will consider the idea of an AudioCircle tour. Thank you all again for thoughts, feedback, interest, and/or orders!

Are you going to the RMAF with your disks? Seems like a good place to spread the word with some demos.
I think a lot of AC members will show up in SP Tech Room 1004 at the Marriott.

[undigitize]

Are you going to the RMAF with your disks? Seems like a good place to spread the word with some demos.
I think a lot of AC members will show up in SP Tech Room 1004 at the Marriott.

While we would like to, we sadly can not spare the time this year. Thank you for your further thoughts! We hope that everyone that does attend RMAF has a great time!

[maxwalrath]

I don't understand...to have 50 cd's undigitized costs $2250, and what you get is copies of the 50 cd's that sound better? 

added:  never mind, I read the site a little more and I get it.  I do find it curious that in the testimonial section, someone says that you usually only get this kind of quality with a really top notch DAC.  I find it curious, because for the price of copying all my cd's, I could actually buy a top notch DAC that has some resale value.

We will consider the idea of an AudioCircle tour.

Please do...especially since it should cost you just about nothing.  We're a cheap and skeptical bunch, it would help your cause here a lot. 

[topround]

Swamped! My ass!

The market just took a major dump,
 I doubt very much people are looking into 50 dollar copies right now.

But hey,, Good Luck

Do a tour, the proof is in the pudding!

[timind]

I don't understand...to have 50 cd's undigitized costs $2250, and what you get is copies of the 50 cd's that sound better? 

added:  never mind, I read the site a little more and I get it.  I do find it curious that in the testimonial section, someone says that you usually only get this kind of quality with a really top notch DAC.  I find it curious, because for the price of copying all my cd's, I could actually buy a top notch DAC that has some resale value.

We will consider the idea of an AudioCircle tour.

Please do...especially since it should cost you just about nothing.  We're a cheap and skeptical bunch, it would help your cause here a lot. 

The last eight words gave me quite a chuckle.

[SET Man]

Hey!
 
   

Take care,
Buddy

[DaveC113]

Is it April 1? 

[JoshK]

lots of fluff and no substance of what you actually do. 

[John Ryder]

Agree....a load of horse you know what.

[Danberg]

Your "too busy" to send out one disc for trial listening on an Audio Circle Tour... sounds like you need a marketing dept for a more plausible reason!