[Double Ugly]

good luck w/your new facilitator yob - i know it's a thankless & difficult task.  it took the audio circle's moderators almost two years to see the error of its ways and allow me back in, after it banned me...   

Thanks, doug.

Don't know if you recall, I believe I may have been the first to welcome you back! 

[Marbles]

You're on a roll, Rob.  Don't stop now!   

Sorry, had to take Mrs Marbles out for dinner and a few cold ones...

[samplesj]

JohnR might remember this gem..

http://harmonicdiscord.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5593&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Interesting quote from someone about yelling at customers to get free attention.  Ironically I just had a post binned where I said it looked like they were screaming as they ran a visitor out of the store.

[Marbles]

More from the JohnR Peter show...

http://www.harmonicdiscord.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6963

[Daygloworange]

I had no idea JohnR was actually George W. Bush!

 

Cheers

[Double Ugly]

I had no idea JohnR was actually George W. Bush!

Shocking, no? 

[lonewolfny42]

This thread is like reliving ancient history....reading about "the good old days at HD"....

[JohnR]

that thread, like this one, was the poster's first post to the audio circle.  and, the original poster was actually banned for posting the thread:

Actually, no, you are wrong, doug. He was not banned for posting it, but because he kept reposting it after it had been binned, which was in turn subsequent to the pros and cons having already been hashed over ad infinitum in Limbo and at least two statements by me saying that the thread was about to be binned. You linked to his first repost; after his second repost, I deactivated his account to stop him. He immediately attempted to register another account under another name, which I blocked as well. If that is not the definition of a trouble-maker, I don't know what is.

[doug s.]

john, i don't blame him for trying to repost - the first thread never should have been binned in the first place.  it's no different than this thread.  seems the "trouble" started when his first post was binned...     why should some companies be afforded protection from possible negative impact to their biz by negative threads about them, & not others?

if you're worried about being sued for legitimate slander/libel/defamation, i don't think you have anything to worry about from either acoustic reality or electra glide; if you're worried about frivolous lawsuits, you don't seem wery consistent about it...

or, mebbe you yust really dislike peter, & don't dislike william hall all that much!     personally, when i read this type of thread, i am inclined not to want to do biz with either company.  which is why i think it's waluable info for the audio community to have both threads allowed here on the audio circle.

as long as nothing is being said that isn't true, these types of threads should be allowed, imo.  it's a good thing that audiophiles should be made aware of potentially unscrupulous vendors/mfr's.  yust as vendors/mfr's should be made aware of troll audiophiles who post bullshit negative rewiews, like tberd did in the vmps-maggie fabrication...

doug s.

that thread, like this one, was the poster's first post to the audio circle.  and, the original poster was actually banned for posting the thread:

Actually, no, you are wrong, doug. He was not banned for posting it, but because he kept reposting it after it had been binned, which was in turn subsequent to the pros and cons having already been hashed over ad infinitum in Limbo and at least two statements by me saying that the thread was about to be binned. You linked to his first repost; after his second repost, I deactivated his account to stop him. He immediately attempted to register another account under another name, which I blocked as well. If that is not the definition of a trouble-maker, I don't know what is.

[lonewolfny42]

doug....>IMO<....There is a difference between the two threads....one was a purchase....the other just an audition request.

[doug s.]

yup, but the same issue is at play - the integrity of the mfr...  as was the response to both threads - an outpouring of bad experiences, both purchases, & otherwise....

doug s.

doug....>IMO<....There is a difference between the two threads....one was a purchase....the other just an audition request.

[JohnR]

doug, I explained it as best I can. I don't support the use of AudioCircle as a means to harm and threaten others. The post(er) that you are inexplicably so fond of explicitly stated his intent to cause harm to the other party. I don't intend to argue with you about it, I posted simply to correct your incorrect statement about why he was banned.

[doug s.]

john,

i am sorry - if the poster explicitly stated he wanted to cause harm to the other party, then you're right - that conduct should not be tolerated.  if that's what happened, then i missed it.  it yust seemed to me that he wanted to warn others of his experience.  and, mebbe to stimulate the other party to finally follow thru w/his commitment to him.

tho, even if not explicitly stated that harm was desired, it would follow that harm might occur: if you have a bad experience w/company "a", & warn others about it, it's possible the biz of company "a" may be negatively impacted.  yust as it's possible that acoustic reality's biz may be negatively impacted by this thread.  i think it would be extremely naive to think there's no possibility that a/r will be harmed here.  so mebbe that's why i have been having a bit of trouble differentiating these two threads - it's implicit to me, that if i post factual negative info about someone, then that "someone" may be harmed...

i am not fond of the banned poster even a little bit - i do not even know him.  i yust think it's important that info about audio, & its participants, as well as gear - buyers & sellers - is important, whether positive or negative.  it's that which i am fond of.   

as for "lieing" about why the poster of the electra glide cabling thread was banned, well, i certainly may have been incorrect, but that does not mean i was lieing about it.  saying i was lieing is a bit slanderous, doncha think?   

regards,

doug s.

doug, I explained it as best I can. I don't support the use of AudioCircle as a means to harm and threaten others. The post(er) that you are inexplicably so fond of explicitly stated his intent to cause harm to the other party. I don't intend to argue with you about it, I posted simply to correct your lies about why he was banned.

[macrojack]

Doug - Quit while you're ahead. The matter is closed.

If you need to type, I'll argue with you some more about the imminent death of Hi-Fi.

[Marbles]

tho, even if not explicitly stated that harm was desired, it would follow that harm might occur: if you have a bad experience w/company "a", & warn others about it, it's possible the biz of company "a" may be negatively impacted.  yust as it's possible that acoustic reality's biz may be negatively impacted by this thread.  i think it would be extremely naive to think there's no possibility that a/r will be harmed here.  so mebbe that's why i have been having a bit of trouble differentiating these two threads - it's implicit to me, that if i post factual negative info about someone, then that "someone" may be harmed...

Doug, Peter has said he would not sell to ACer's, even if we wanted to buy his products. 

So AC members are not only NOT his customers, he wouldn't sell to them if they wanted to be.  I don't think his business can be harmed anymore than it already has by anything anyone posts about him or his products here.

I am just telling the truth    

BTW:  We don't sell to any AC members! Therefore I can say the truth, but some don't want to hear that you are constantly cheated and belive cables, speakers or whatever on this forum has a value. All is just equal to made-in-china shit.

[TheChairGuy]

FWIW, I've been Audio Central's facilitator all of 8 days, and wasn’t around when all this took place.

Hey, my excuse is that I was a lame duck facilitator....and didn't want to interfere 

John / Former Punching Bag - Audio Central 

[TomS]

tho, even if not explicitly stated that harm was desired, it would follow that harm might occur: if you have a bad experience w/company "a", & warn others about it, it's possible the biz of company "a" may be negatively impacted.  yust as it's possible that acoustic reality's biz may be negatively impacted by this thread.  i think it would be extremely naive to think there's no possibility that a/r will be harmed here.  so mebbe that's why i have been having a bit of trouble differentiating these two threads - it's implicit to me, that if i post factual negative info about someone, then that "someone" may be harmed...

Doug, Peter has said he would not sell to HDer's, even if we wanted to buy his products.  By extension he would not sell to ACer's, as AC is the successor to HD  (DanG has given his blessing to that fact).

So AC members are not only NOT his customers, he wouldn't sell to them if they wanted to be.  I don't think his business can be harmed anymore than it already has by anything anyone posts about him or his products here.

I am just telling the truth    

BTW:  We don't sell to any AC members! Therefore I can say the truth, but some don't want to hear that you are constantly cheated and belive cables, speakers or whatever on this forum has a value. All is just equal to made-in-china shit.

...uh, yeah, don't know him at all, but clearly he needs more time at "the club" 

[Double Ugly]

FWIW, I've been Audio Central's facilitator all of 8 days, and wasn’t around when all this took place.

Hey, my excuse is that I was a lame duck facilitator....and didn't want to interfere 

John / Former Punching Bag - Audio Central 

FWIW, I didn't mean to imply the actions taken weren't justified.  All I wanted to convey is that I wasn't in the loop at the time; period.  Truth be known, I had only marginal interest in the thread, and didn't even know it'd been canned until doug mentioned it. 

Regardless, the difference between the two topics -

• claims of hundreds of dollars being sent for undelivered product, accusations of numerous lies and attempts to deceive over a period of months, etc.

VS

• a rather self-defeating (but not unexpected, considering the source) response from a manufacturer regarding a simple audition request...

...seems intuitively obvious, even from my not-all-that-well-informed vantage point.

DU / Current (temporary?) Punching Bag - Audio Central 

[zapper7]

FWIW, my brother and I each have a pair of 1001 monos, all has been good so far . We actually had Bel Canto REF1000s and Carver Z1600s, but decided to keep these, just a better fit for both of us, the Carver was a little lean, the Bel Cantos somewhat bright in my system, and not bass heavy enough for my brother, who is vertically biamping with the AR1001 running the bass section. As long as they hold out, we are satified.
See, every situation has good and bad stories, at least ours has been good so far.

[Marbles]

FWIW, my brother and I each have a pair of 1001 monos, all has been good so far . We actually had Bel Canto REF1000s and Carver Z1600s, but decided to keep these, just a better fit for both of us, the Carver was a little lean, the Bel Cantos somewhat bright in my system, and not bass heavy enough for my brother, who is vertically biamping with the AR1001 running the bass section. As long as they hold out, we are satified.
See, every situation has good and bad stories, at least ours has been good so far.

Peter has (had) some good products.  The early amps were prone to catch fire, partially because they had no fuse or any other shorting protection.  Glad to hear yours are doing fine.  If you ever have to get them repaired, please let us know how your experience goes.