[mclsound]

these are the top of the line

john

[Wolfman]

I don't know John personally,but have to put a plug in for these amps. Just a totally ridiculous bargain at this price.    
 I have a pair of the S.E.s which aren't quite as tricked out as these and you're going to have to spend much more than this to better them significantly in multible areas. Especially if you have difficult,or just somewhat difficult to drive speakers. These are REAL 1 ohm capable,not just for a half hour. Available current to match some serious amps. Neutral,or perhaps slightly to the warm side of neutral,match them with a nice tube pre and you'll be very happy unless you just have to spend close to five figures.YMMV,but these are fine,fine amps. Don't forget the industry leading customer service which comes with.

Good luck with the sale,John.

[Double Ugly]

I don't know John personally,but have to put a plug in for these amps.

I don't believe the amps are the problem, Wolfman.

[ecramer]

I don't know John personally,but have to put a plug in for these amps.

I don't believe the amps are the problem, Wolfman.

No the problem is that i have a less than a month old pair sitting here all ready and i don't think Klause would be happy if i sent them back to buy these. lol

[mclsound]

hi guys ,it is rather disturbing that some people think they know a person so well just from having there lowball offer turned down(i beleive people do PM to be discrete Jim,but if you are going to bash me then you better know me!!!!!).

john

[Cacophonix]

No the problem is that i have a less than a month old pair sitting here all ready and i don't think Klause would be happy if i sent them back to buy these. lol

Ditto!
I bought a pair of fully tricked out khartago monos from klaus a few months back. If not, i'd be all over this in a heartbeat.
 

I wish Klaus could just type the list of upgrades he puts in each of the special order khartago/stratos and send it with the amps. Like this ad from John demonstrates ... it helps if you have technical information on hand.

[Double Ugly]

hi guys ,it is rather disturbing that some people think they know a person so well just from having there lowball offer turned down(i beleive people do PM to be discrete Jim,but if you are going to bash me then you better know me!!!!!).

john

I apologize if you feel I've in any way "bashed", attacked or otherwise assaulted you, John.  From my vantage point, there seems to be a lot of confusion as to why your amps haven't sold, so I offered my honest assessment of the situation in response to yet another seemingly surprised and confused poster.  Really, the only outright attack I've read came from you.

Since that's the case, let's make sure we're all on the same page.

First, do you have reason to believe I've somehow been made aware of lowball offers you've received?  It's a rhetorical question, because even if that were the case (it isn't), I'd never make them public.

Secondly, I'm confident I'm not the target of your "lowball offer" charge.  Even so, to ensure your comments aren't misconstrued as to be referring to me, I have no problem admitting that I offered your current asking price of $2750.  The offer was made 10 days ago, but I was told your then-asking price of $2800 was firm (though it was dropped to $2750 two days later).  I also asked you to cover shipping (~$50 IME) which you also refused, but as is often the case with offers, that aspect was negotiable. 

If you've forgotten, I'm willing to copy/paste our PM communications into a single PM and send it to you.

To be completely forthcoming, I admit to thinking it strange that someone claiming the sale is "due to medical reasons" would flatly refuse an offer so near the asking price, but I wasn't angry or put-off.  After all, they're your amps, and you're free to do with them as you wish.  Besides, it isn't as though I can't get another pair from Klaus. 

Regardless, if asking for a total of ~$100 off (actually ~$50 off now) meets with your definition of lowballing, then I'm guilty as charged.  That is, assuming the charge was directed at me.

Finally, as for the "you better know me!!!!!" part of your post, what makes you think I don't, "John"?

I've decided I no longer have any interest in your amps, and since my posts seem to cause you an unusually high level of angst, I will trouble you no longer.

Good luck with the sale, and take care! 

-Jim

[klaus@odyssey]

OK, time to chime in here with a few explanations:

1.  The SE's (or whatever you want to call them)  officially don't exist as a model.  Rather,  they are excercises in different upgrades,  mostly specific to the wishes of the customer.  As you all know,  I have no problem whatsoever to "tweak" and "customize" amps,  since every unit is build to order anyway.

2.  John was very vocal about certain upgrades in his amps,  going down a path which some might call ridiculous or complete overkill.   That's also the problem here in that his amps are so customized that I can't take them back unless I have a customer for them.

3.  My impression is indeed that John's situation has changed.

4.  For the asking price,  I must say that John is very fair.  He has more $ in them,  and I know that they have very low hours on them,  if any at all. 

5.  Finally,  technical details.  Like I said,  different demands from different people.   For example,  we have quite a few amps out there with the now defunct Black Gates capacitors.  Some people wanted them and like them.  Me,  on the other hand,  I really,  really dislike them.  Again,  just because a certain part has a good or bad rep doesn't tell you how they behave in a given design.  In the Stratos,  the BG's sucked off bass !!!  Go figure !!!  Also,  I am always looking at the system synergy,  especially with the Speakers,  before making any parts adjustments.
In short,  John has a very tricked out and balanced pair of Extremes,  with what some would say full SE upgrades,  as well as upgrades to the connectors and to the cables.  Hell,  just his Quattro / TS and WBT tops upgrades alone are worth it $ 400.
So,  I can attest that these amps are kosher and full whammies.  Any specific questions,  please call me.
Any sales interest,  please contact and deal with John.  I am out of the loop on that one.

Late,

Klaus

[samplesj]

Secondly, I'm confident I'm not the target of your "lowball offer" charge.  Even so, to insure your comments aren't misconstrued as to be referring to me, I have no problem admitting that I offered your current asking price of $2750.  The offer was made 10 days ago, but I was told your then-asking price of $2800 was firm (though it was dropped to $2750 two days later).  I also asked you to cover shipping (~$50 IME) which you also refused, but as is often the case with offers, that aspect was negotiable. 
...
Regardless, if asking for a total of ~$100 off (actually ~$50 off now) meets with your definition of lowballing, then I'm guilty as charged.  That is, assuming the charge was directed at me.

Ooops I guess I'm a lowballer too since I asked for shipping to be covered at the asking price too.  DU/Jim I'd agree with the ~$50 shipping since I just shipped a 85 lb BPT to Washington state for $80 and this isn't that heavy, but John/mclsound says $160 is a more accurate shipping charge.

Folks just to help John/mclsound sell his amp, let us tell you that his price is FIRM even though he didn't state it as such.  Also you will be asked to cover the paypal fee (in violation of section 4.6 of the paypal user agreement) even though that also isn't stated.

John/mclsound, both of these are great examples of why this hasn't sold.  Not only can't you provide technical details or post pictures, but you can't even be bothered to let us know UP FRONT that its a firm price vs OBO.  You couldn't even be bothered to say what forms of payment you took and if there were any surcharges.  Those are the basic facts that should be part of the VERY FIRST post.  If you'd included those I'd not have even PM'd you in the first place and "lowballed" you.  You are the one with something to sell so you have to meet prospective buyers more than halfway.

I suspect that John/mclsound has been "forced" to "try" to sell these by family and he'd rather they not actually sell.

[MaxCast]

Okay guys, you've made your point.  Hopefully john fine tunes his ad to be a bit more inclusive of the particulars.
john, if you want me to "clean up" your ad let me know what post #'s to remove and we'll get back on track.

[mclsound]

thank you maxicast but there is no need,i do apologize to all to whom i offended,i have been trying to sell a pair of 70lbs MONO EXTREME S.E. to which i was told have a brand new boards,i have pics in my gallery,....i was trying to do so to keep it a secret,that is all i have been doing since i started with these is keeping secrets,i will confess,Klaus was going to buy them back and i backed down on him,Klaus is a good person,i am going to sell these for $2700 today  plus shipping at $150,paid buy certified cheque only,i can send back to Odyssey so Klaus can make sure they work properly and change name,there will be no boarder problems this way...my paypal only accepts $650 at a time i guess,i have only just signed up and never used it,..........NOW as far as my medical issues go,until anyone has ,out of the blue,had their DR. come tell you you have cancer,you dont know how much it changes you,...one person has responded to me on kidney cancer and i asked  to talk to him and he did not respond back,i dont have this happen to me everyday,so i respond differently to things anymore,but i will not be played with.....

                thanks John

[Tmoore]

Are these still available? ....If so please contact me...Thanks Tom

[mclsound]

yes they are .
John

[mclsound]

SOLD

[Woodsea]

It's about damn time 
They were beyond my unemployed spending.  It's tough being unemployed in the Caribbean.  Plus my weight limit thru the pouch is 50 lbs.

Congratulations, and I hope everything turns out well for you!

[Randy]

John, you have a P. M.

[mclsound]

before i finish with this sight i would like to say that this was the worst,horrific experience i have ever been through,it was like a thousand vultures after your money,it took me $7200can to get the DEAL i got from Klaus?????  i am learning alot about the first time highend audio world,and i wish anyone who is thinking about getting involved contact me,because there are some really good people and some not so good,some who will make sure that their product is in the best condition possible(no matter where u bought because you sent it back to them to make sure it was perfect,i feel 2mnths is enough time)and some who won't>>>>i will not say i did everything right,advertised everything properly,hell i gave out my tele# so we could talk,but i have learned alot and if i can help even 1 person ,i know i did them a favour.  

      thanks John

[macrojack]

Klaus is a bozo but I think John liked the service. I also found his post confusing.

[zybar]

before i finish with this sight i would like to say that this was the worst,horrific experience i have ever been through,it was like a thousand vultures after your money,it took me $7200can to get the DEAL i got from Klaus?????  i am learning alot about the first time highend audio world,and i wish anyone who is thinking about getting involved contact me,because there are some really good people and some not so good,some who will make sure that their product is in the best condition possible(no matter where u bought because you sent it back to them to make sure it was perfect,i feel 2mnths is enough time)and some who won't>>>>i will not say i did everything right,advertised everything properly,hell i gave out my tele# so we could talk,but i have learned alot and if i can help even 1 person ,i know i did them a favour. 

      thanks John

John,

Sorry you had what you consider a bad experience.

But watching from the sidelines, I think you caused a lot of your own problems but not handling the situation properly.  Also, I think you had very unrealistic expectations of what your gear was worth and how fast it should sell.

While this is a hobby for most us, we are still looking for good deals and trying to stretch our budgets as much as possible.  As such, people will try to do what's best for them - not you.  Frankly, I don't see how this is different from any other area of life, but for some reason, it sometimes seems like people expect more just because we share the same hobby.

I am happy that you sold your amps, and hopefully as time goes by, this won't seem as bad as it does now.

Best of luck.

George

[Lkdog]

Klaus is a bozo but I think John liked the service. I also found his post confusing.

Klaus is a bozo?
Nice.
He is one of the good guys in this business.