Eastern Electric BBA

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Deanh

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Re: Eastern Electric BBA
« Reply #80 on: 1 Feb 2007, 06:42 pm »
did notice one thing this morning when i was getting ready for work, music for some reason sounded a little flat, I do not know if anyone else has experienced this, but as I turned down the pre's volume pot a tad, then upped the gain on the BBA music gained back the sparkle I am used to...I remember someone saying that the gain is like a tone control, so would I be correct in saying turning the gain clarifies the upper mids and treble....trying to clarify what each knob Really does to simplify my process/ process's... :scratch:

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Re: Eastern Electric BBA
« Reply #81 on: 1 Feb 2007, 09:24 pm »
I would agree with that.The gain control seems like a tone control. I've been fiddling a bit with the gain and volume controls. Changing the settings between vinyl and CD. It still may be breaking in too. I had some off days but after 2 hrs. or so returned to it's glorious self.

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Deanh

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Re: Eastern Electric BBA
« Reply #82 on: 1 Feb 2007, 09:45 pm »
I am thinking I need to grab a purely vocal cd ( Krall, Madeline Per...however you spell her last name ) and sit down for a couple of hours and really tinker with the gain....female vocals are pretty good at pointing out tonal changes....THEN tinker with both the pres volume and the BBA's...there has to be order to the process, ie 1 set and forget pre volume, 2 BBA gain, 3 fine tune BBA volume in conjunction w the pre... 

Deanh

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Re: Eastern Electric BBA
« Reply #83 on: 3 Feb 2007, 12:47 am »
Gentlemen, weekend time, a good one to all...lets all do some listening this weekend and get some reports on this thread...have a great Superbowl Sunday. Cheers. Dean 

bacobits1

Re: Eastern Electric BBA
« Reply #84 on: 6 Feb 2007, 09:25 pm »
I like it, I bought it.

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The Super Bowl was a waste of time.

sts9fan

Re: Eastern Electric BBA
« Reply #85 on: 6 Feb 2007, 09:30 pm »
I also liked the unit but I did not buy it. 

Deanh

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Re: Eastern Electric BBA
« Reply #86 on: 6 Feb 2007, 09:38 pm »
Bought me one as well.....and Bill sent me another dammit! Going to put unit two between the CD and Pre.....unfortunately will be on vacation for a couple of weeks so won't be able to tinker...did I just say unfortunately?......

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Re: Eastern Electric BBA
« Reply #87 on: 16 Feb 2007, 03:56 pm »
Thanks Bill,
For the Audition. It is a nice unit :thumb:

I did not purchase at this time but will certainly look to get one in the future. It made listening an emotional experience...I would like to have tried other PC's and tubes as mentioned previously to get even more out it but ran out of time. I would recommend to anyone seeking to get tubes in their system at a great price/performance.

I hope others get a chance to take a listen.

Cheers :beer:


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Re: Eastern Electric BBA
« Reply #88 on: 23 Mar 2007, 02:49 pm »
Well I have reread all the posts on the BBA and would now like to add my $.02.  There have been a number of comments about the placement of the BBA.  I tried it first between by SAS 10A preamp and RWA Sig 30 and felt there was a bit of a dulling in my vinyl playback although I was quite intrigued by what the unit was doing for digital.  So the next obvious step was to try it between my ART DI/O DAC (modded) and the SAS 10A and remove it altogether from the vinyl playback chain.  BINGO!  For the first time in my audiophile lifetime I can now honestly say that digital playback deserves a seat at the table along with my analog rig.  I'm not saying that the cd's I was playing through the Sony dvd7000 to the DI/O to the BBA to the Sig 30 to my Hornshoppe Horns sounded as good as my trusty lps on the Thorens125mkII/Minimax Phono/Denon 103 set up but they didn't sound bad either.  For the first time ever I could listen to this set up critically and really enjoy it.  Virtually all of the digital nasties that were so easy to spot in the past were gone and replaced with full bodied tone, extreme clarity and breathtaking decay.  Lyrics were now so easy to understand.  ("Oh, that's what he's saying.  I never knew!")  Individual vocal lines in harmonies and double tracked vocals were beautifully lifted apart and separated while still retaining their organic united relationship. Pianos sounded like pianos and chords decayed forever.  I could now actually hear the ending of a track.  The point where the sound stops as a quite discrete event.  Wow. And here I thought they just faded out.

The literature on the BBA at the EE website states  "The BBA will not alter the overall tonal characteristics of your existing system but it will eliminate dull or dark sounding music reproduction that is missing dynamic contrast and detail. You will be amazed at how this versatile component will open up the sound stage and add vibrancy, emotion, and musicality to your audio experience."  but I found that it did almost the opposite... and thankfully so.  Rather than eliminate dull or dark sounding music it added a deeper, analog-like richness to the tone.  What was eliminated was not the dark sound but the tinny, etched and rather artificial tone of the music, especially when it comes to female vocals.  Yesterday I a/b'd the unit extensively in and out of the system using the dvd audio version of Fiona Apple's Extraordinary Machine.  With the BBA out of the system Fiona's vocals grated on me over time leaving me wanting to turn down the volume, switch tracks or cd's or better yet switch to vinyl.  With the BBA in the chain, Fiona's gorgeous voice was right in the room with me, all traces of digital artifacts removed, leaving an extremely pure and lovely vocal tone.  That was it for me.  I'm sold on the BBA. 

Thanks to the BBA (and Bill from Morningstar Audio), digital has a place at the audiophile table in my house.  No, it still does not have the air and ambiance that well recorded vinyl has, that sense that living breathing players are playing in real space and time but it is finally enjoyable in its own right for its uncanny clarity, precision and tone.  It's sort of like putting analog in a vacuum and shining a big spotlight on it.  It's not the same as analog but it's a satisfying experience all the same.

One last thing.  I agree with the posters that the Gain is essentially a tone control.  If a cd sounds a little grainy and etched turn it down.  Music sounding a little dull and lifeless?  Turn it up.  It works.



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« Reply #89 on: 25 Mar 2007, 01:43 pm »
First off, sorry that it has taken me so long to post my comments on Bill's BBA.  Before talking about the BBA, let me echo what everybody has already previously stated...Bill is a great guy to deal with and a first class individual. 

In terms of my comments, I thought I would put them in three categories:

Fit/Finish/Packaging
Usability/Functionality
Sound

Fit/Finish/Packaging

The packaging that BBA comes in is top rate!  Bill carefully double boxed the BBA so that the shippers were "less likely" to do any damage to the unit. 

The BBA comes in an attractive package that is well made and would have you guessing that it's list price is a lot more than $850.  Besides including the tubes, power cord, and Manual, there is a set of white cotton gloves.  By using the gloves when handling the BBA, you can keep fingerprints off the finish and tubes.  Here is a picture of the BBA:




Usability/Functionality

The front panel has the power switch, volume, and gain controls - very simple and well desgined out.  Here is a picture:



The back panel has the input and output rca's as well as the IEC to allow for the use of your favorite power cord (essential to get the most out of the BBA).  Here is a picture:



The view from the inside is equally impressive.  The three tube sockets are well positioned out and clearly labled.  To gain access to this area, one needs to remove a total of six small screws.  Once the screws are out, carefully slide off the top and you now have full access.  Since the BBA can get fairly hot after being on for a bit, make sure it has cooled down before trying to take the top off.  Here is a picture of the insides:




By playing with the volume and gain settings, one could dial in the "right" amount for each to match your system.  From looking at the Manual, the gain/volume settings could produce anywhere from 0-18db's of gain!!  Certainly more than enough to give a boost to a Bolder modified Squeeze Box that has around 1.1 volts of output.  This extra gain will ensure that you have enough oomph to drive any amp when used between Squueze Box and amp (this was how I used it).

While the flexibility seemed endless in terms of setting the volume and gain controls, it did take a while to find the "sweet" spot.  Since the controls are continuous and not stepped, you had to write things down (at least I did) so that you could go back to previous settings during the "discovery" phase.  Of course, this isn't an issue once you nail things down.  From that point on I simply left the controls where they were and adjusted the volume settings on the Squeeze Box.

Sound

The BBA definitely sounds like a piece of tube gear (I mean that in a good way) and will be a welcome addition to many systems!  Depending on your gain and volume settings, you can somewhat alter the sound, but using the stock tubes, you will get a sound that is smooth, rich, big, and holographic.  In an all ss and/or digital system, the BBA can smooth things out and make the sound more listenable and enjoyable.  For a warm system or one that is all tubed, I am not sure if the BBA will be a little too much.  Each person will just need to try it and find out for themselves.

In my system, I found that the BBA was a mixed success.  It absolutely allowed me to better drive my Moscode 401HR and play music at a louder level.  Imaging was very holographic and had a nice solid presentation.  The soundstage seemed to be a little large and more expansive with the BBA in place. 

However, I did find that in my system, the BBA was a little too smooth and warm when compared to the Bolder modified (full analog mods with Gold Bybees) SB2.  Transients became a little rounded and weren't as fast.  I also felt that I lost some detail and definition as well as overall dynamics.  When playing one of my test tracks (The Bad Plus, These Are the Vistas, Keep the Bugs Off Your Glass and the Bears Off Your Ass) the bass wasn't as articulate, fast, and punchy with the BBA in the system.  The piano also lost some of its magic as well. 

Some of this was mitigated by putting my trusty and excellent Black Sand Silver Reference MK IV or V power cord on the BBA, as well putting the BBA on top of the Boston Audio Design Tune Block SE's.  Tube rolling can also change things and since there is only three tubes in play, you can try various NOS tubes without totally breaking the bank.

At the end of the day, I think Bill has built a very good product at a very good price, that can work in many, many systems.  Not only will it provide more gain and better component matching, it will allow many systems to become more musical and enjoyable by bringing some tube magic into play. 

While it did some very nice things in my system, it just wasn't exactly what I was looking for and I did send it back to Bill.  I want to thank Bill for allowing me the opportunity to try the BBA in my system.  If you are ruining a modified Squeeze Box, feel that your system is a little edgy or digital sounding, or that it could simply still be improved, you should consider trying a BBA.  While I can't say with absolute certainty that it will improve things, I think there is a good chance you will enjoy it.

George


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Re: Eastern Electric BBA
« Reply #90 on: 25 Mar 2007, 01:50 pm »
Label on rear for AC line says 50Hz.  Looks like it's not meant for North America.  Transformers can overheat etc if not correct to line freq. :duh: :duh: :duh:

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Re: Eastern Electric BBA
« Reply #91 on: 25 Mar 2007, 02:15 pm »
Label on rear for AC line says 50Hz.  Looks like it's not meant for North America.  Transformers can overheat etc if not correct to line freq. :duh: :duh: :duh:

It actually says 115v/50Hz.

I don't believe there is any issue with running this in North America, but I need Bill or somebody more technical to comment.

George

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Re: Eastern Electric BBA
« Reply #92 on: 25 Mar 2007, 02:41 pm »
 :scratch: Exactly 50Hz.  115V.  that is NOT U.S. standards is it?  Labels and stickers mean something.  Why else are they printed?  I also wonder why I don't see any vent at the base of the unit where the tubes are.  For convection cooling.  If there are vents on top, there should be vents on the bottom for cooling through convection.  Maybe the picture doesn't show them?  Good design is all about DETAILS.

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Re: Eastern Electric BBA
« Reply #93 on: 26 Mar 2007, 10:45 pm »
I'm sure it just might be an oversight in printing as these were made for the USA and Europe . 230V/50Hz  for rest of the world     115v/60HZ for USA

 I have a call into Alex Yeung the designer and he will either comment here or send an email  that I will forward here. Please allow 13 hours or so for his reply as they are that many hours ahead of us.


  There are vents on the top of the unit running width wide for ventilation and also longer vents running lengthwise on the bottom of the unit for even more air flow.

 She does get toasty though.  I have had 2 BBA's running constantly since the first of the year, only turning them off to change interconnects and positions in the audio chain along with some very tasty power cord replacements( Black Sand Silver Reference Mkv)( BTW, incredible cords), and the transformers have worked flawlessly.


 Thanks to all of you for taking the time to put your words to keyboard,

 Bill


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Re: Eastern Electric BBA
« Reply #94 on: 27 Mar 2007, 02:49 am »
This is the explanation as Alex Yeung has written it to me regarding the 115v/50Hz lettering on the back of the BBA.

Hi Bill,
>
> Yes, the standard main supply in USA is 115VAC and the
>AC frequency is 60Hz
> i.e. the plus and minus changes 60 times every second.
>50Hz is "slower" than
> 60Hz. Our power transformer is good enough to work under
>a lower AC
> frequency. Technical speaking, the core of the
>transformer is good so that
> the core of the transformer can respond to a lower
>frequency 50Hz in this
> case. If the transformer can work at 50Hz, it will
>definitely work at 60Hz
> but not vice versa. The printing 115V/50Hz only means it
>can work as low as
> 50Hz.
>
> I hope this explains.


 It does for me :D  I hope it clears things up for others.  Thanks for catching this though CE2

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Re: Eastern Electric BBA
« Reply #95 on: 21 Feb 2008, 04:24 am »
so has anyone tried this unit with the playstation 1-something i think my have been an impetus for its design.  If it worked, it would be cool to combine them into one cabinet for the ultimate frankenstien unit.



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Re: Eastern Electric BBA
« Reply #96 on: 3 Jan 2013, 08:32 pm »
Anyone in NJ willing to visit and bring their BBA? I have a friend who is just getting into audio and has a playstation hooked up to an NAD 7020 . I on the other hand have  a mix of Rogue, EE and even an Audiosource Amp Two. A total of three systems with with Bose , Allison Acoustics and my reference Vandersteens 3a.