NuForce AVP 16 - June 2006 release

rustydoglim · « **on:** 25 Aug 2005, 10:22 am »

2-U height preamp with 7.1 home theater processor.

Supported formats:
Dolby digital
Dolby-EX
Dolby Pro-Logic II
DTS Digital
DTS-ES
DTS NEO:6
PCM D/A conversion: 44.1K/16-bit to 192K/24-bit (*no up sampling)
S/N: 90 dB (A weighted)
THD+N：< 0.05%, typical 0.01%
Video connections: 2 composite video, 2 s-video, 3 component video
Digital audio input: 2 coaxial/optical, *1 CD coaxial (*video circuit off when CD input is selected)
Analog audio input: **1 set of 7.1 analog input for SACD/DVD-A, 5 analog input, 1 analog record out. (**7.1 analog input act as 8-ch analog preamp).
Physical: 438 x 460 x 90mm, 8Kg
Electrical: AC 120/240VAC, 20W
Color: Black brushed aluminum

Price: t.b.d. but it will be very affordable.

Use this thread for this product's specific discussion. Please use the pre-pro poll topic for future AVP product discussion and wishlist.

brj · « **Reply #1 on:** 25 Aug 2005, 12:30 pm »

What DAC is used in the unit?

Can the unit have its software and hardware upgraded, and what costs would be involved?

Thanks!

trekker · « **Reply #2 on:** 25 Aug 2005, 01:52 pm »

I don't think the pre/pro will be upgradeable. This is what Jason mentioned in another thread.

Quote from: nuforce-jason

It will be a NuForce branded pre-pro with latest decoders. It will be high quality at affordable price. It will take another year or more before we come up with any be all and end all audio video processor platform.
So, you can consider the 1st high quality pre-pro a "disposable". With technology changing so rapidly on processor and format wars, I would just buy something that I need today and replace it later. Our pre-pro will be priced low enough that it cost as much to upgrade as to buy a new one

KJ · « **Reply #3 on:** 25 Aug 2005, 02:06 pm »

Jason,

Will the AVP16 be using a similar analog switching power supply much like the Reference amps?

Some other questions:
- Upgradeability (follow on brj's thought)
- IF upgradeable, RS-232, USB or 1394a
- Remote control? (if so, learning or universal?)

Thanks Jason.

-KJ

matix · « **Reply #4 on:** 26 Aug 2005, 01:04 am »

Wow! I thought it was slated for next year? OH PLEASE. PLEASE PLEASE...launch also a five channel power amp (5 ref 8 in 1 chassis needing only ONE power chord) together with this pre-pro. I don't know about others, but it will solve a lot of my problems.

rustydoglim · « **Reply #5 on:** 26 Aug 2005, 02:49 am »

The DAC is CS42518.
We want this to be a good quality but very affordable AVP. Technology changes too rapidly for AVP and why bother to upgrade the AVP if it is only a few hundred $ ? We are thinking of AVP 16 + 5 Ref 8 for < $4000.
Why bother buying those Denon, Yamaha etc when you can have one of the best amps in the world with a good AVP unless you want some exotic but rarely used features?
The AVP 16 is designed for audiophile with 8 channels preamp and that will take care of future format upgrade where your DVD can provide the 7.1 output. DVD players get better every year so why spend so much money on an AVP and for features that you rarely use?

AVP 16 doesn't use much power so a small and cheap linear power supply is enough. High quality SMPS is very expensive.

In future years, you can uprade the Ref 8, or you can throw away the AVP 16 and buy our be-all-and-end-all-mother-of-all AVP platform (target 2007). To call a product upgradable, it has to be easy to upgrade and won't cost arm and leg. And it should be very modular too. This is a challenge that we won't be able to solve for a while.

It will have a learning remote control but no RS232 for this unit.

We think a stack of monoblocks with AVP allows you to easily upgrade the amps or expand them for bi-amping etc. If you want to use Ref 8 to power your tweeter, you can actually request for a 70W version of Ref 8

That's the philosophy for high end but affordable system.
Hmm, may be we should come up with a vertical power strip that allows the stack of amps to be plugged and locked with the vertical strip. That will be cool.

So, AVP 16 is "disposable" and "compatible" with future DVD decoders because of the 8 channel preamp.
What else can you ask for ?

rustydoglim · « **Reply #6 on:** 26 Aug 2005, 02:57 am »

By the way, Ref 9 comes standard with a very good but plain black power cord. We think this is as good as many other $200 power cord out there, but obviously not as good as our Stealth made $480 power cord (which is equivalent to much more expensive power cord but you can't buy it without the amp).
You can buy the plain Ref 9 power cord from us for $20.

Al Garay · « **Reply #7 on:** 26 Aug 2005, 08:02 am »

I like the simple approach-philosphy you are following. Please make sure it's well tested before its release. I can wait a few months. Hope you offer a 30/31 day trial policy.

Will the AVP16 have XLR (balanced) outputs?

rustydoglim · « **Reply #8 on:** 26 Aug 2005, 08:36 am »

No XLR. Only RCA. AVP 16 is developed with a partner so the core is already fully tested. In fact, most of the AVP out there share similar electronics such as decoder chip sets, volume control ICs etc.
AVP 16 is meant to be a low cost audiophile grade AVP.

People who use XLR typically have very high end system. We'll need to combine our high end preamp with AVP to create a very high end AVP 17 (lack of name so I will call it AVP 17).

mmakshak · « **Reply #9 on:** 1 Sep 2005, 04:13 am »

Will that power cord sound much better than the Volex?

Aussie Geoff · « **Reply #10 on:** 4 Sep 2005, 12:27 pm »

Jason,

Seems like a goods idea...

Two thoughts:

What about Dolby ProLogic IIx this is (IMO) a "must" for 7 channel and really makes the sound of a system

The 3 digital inputs are a little limited - I have DVD, CD, Digital TV, Satelitte - any chance of one or two more...

Geoff[/b]

Adz523 · « **Reply #11 on:** 4 Sep 2005, 12:48 pm »

Quote from: nuforce-jason

No XLR. Only RCA. AVP 16 is developed with a partner so the core is already fully tested. In fact, most of the AVP out there share similar electronics such as decoder chip sets, volume control ICs etc.
AVP 16 is meant to be a low cost audiophile grade AVP.

People who use XLR typically have very high end system. We'll need to combine our high end preamp with AVP to create a very high end AVP 17 (lack of name so I will call it AVP 17).

Jason,
Can you tell us who the "partner" is?

rustydoglim · « **Reply #12 on:** 5 Sep 2005, 04:07 am »

Quote

Can you tell us who the "partner" is?

Nope.

Ok, we haven't evaluated the sample yet so if it not up to our standard, we won't put our name on it and the product won't see the light.
This is meant to be a audiophile grade but entry level AVP to be priced below $1K.

guest1632 · « **Reply #13 on:** 8 Sep 2005, 02:41 pm »

Quote from: nuforce-jason

The DAC is CS42518.
We want this to be a good quality but very affordable AVP. Technology changes too rapidly for AVP and why bother to upgrade the AVP if it is only a few hundred $ ? We are thinking of AVP 16 + 5 Ref 8 for < $4000.
Why bother buying those Denon, Yamaha etc when you can have one of the best amps in the world with a good AVP unless you want some exotic but rarely used features?
The AVP 16 is designed for audiophile with 8 channels preamp and that will take care of future format upgrad ...

"So, AVP 16 is "disposable" and "compatible" with future DVD decoders because of the 8 channel preamp.
What else can you ask for ?"

How about a 2 channel preamp to compliment the line you have now.

Ray

tvyankee · « **Reply #14 on:** 8 Sep 2005, 03:05 pm »

hello,

have you taken a look at these dac's

AKM AK4396 24-bit/192kHz DAC
- 24-bit delta-sigma AKM AK5384 ADC

i have heard these dac's and i can tell you they kick some butt.i belive the company is out by you guys.

http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akm/en/product/ak4396/ak4396.html

AKM Semiconductor
1731 Technology Dr
Suite 500
San Jose, CA 95110

408-436-8580
408-436-7591 (fax)

i think you owe it to yourself to take a listen.

guest1632 · « **Reply #15 on:** 8 Sep 2005, 03:11 pm »

Quote from: tvyankee

hello,

have you taken a look at these dac's

AKM AK4396 24-bit/192kHz DAC
- 24-bit delta-sigma AKM AK5384 ADC

i have heard these dac's and i can tell you they kick some butt.i belive the company is out by you guys.

http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akm/en/product/ak4396/ak4396.html

AKM Semiconductor
1731 Technology Dr
Suite 500
San Jose, CA 95110

408-436-8580
408-436-7591 (fax)

i think you owe it to yourself to take a listen.

From the impressions I get, they already have the DACs picked out. Let's see what Nuforce says.

Ray

tvyankee · « **Reply #16 on:** 8 Sep 2005, 03:26 pm »

i'm sorry.

when i posted i posted a 2ch ver, they need a 8ch ver.so here it is.

http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akm/en/product/ak4589/ak4589.html

i think it will work for them.

rustydoglim · « **Reply #17 on:** 8 Sep 2005, 07:04 pm »

Will check out the DAC. Not sure if there's still time to make the change even if it is good.

Dobby Prologic IIX is quite new and not available in some chipsets. But with a 7.1 input, it can be supported by next generation DVD players.

We're still working on the preamp, I just posted the spec under the preamp topic.

rustydoglim · « **Reply #18 on:** 29 Sep 2005, 10:27 pm »

Update of the AVP 16 schedule.
We are not satisfied with the sound and still tweaking the circuit. This is going to push out the schedule to end of November or 1 week of December. Arrgggg.. but we have to maintain certain standard, even for a cheap AVP.

MaxCast · « **Reply #19 on:** 30 Sep 2005, 12:42 am »

Quote from: nuforce-jason

Will check out the DAC. Not sure if there's still time to make the change even if it is good.

Dobby Prologic IIX is quite new and not available in some chipsets. But with a 7.1 input, it can be supported by next generation DVD players.

We're still working on the preamp, I just posted the spec under the preamp topic.

How can DPL II be supported by the next generation of DVD players???

NuForce AVP 16 - June 2006 release

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