NuForce AVP 16 - June 2006 release

KrK · « **Reply #40 on:** 13 Jul 2006, 04:53 pm »

I like it! I like the sound. It has a smooth natural mid, very lifelike. Natural is as the Reference 9.02: clear, natural, fast and without distorsion. The bass is well defined and deep. THe picture is wide and deep.

The AVP is very dynamic and has an open sound. Before the AVP16 I played with an Rotel RSP1066 and likes the AVP16 much, much more!

In stereo and in multi-channel it has a more audiophile sound.

rustydoglim · « **Reply #41 on:** 13 Jul 2006, 06:31 pm »

This AVP-16 has changed a lot in cosmetic from what we showed at CES 2006. We also fixed some software problem and added XLR outputs.

We are more careful with our product release now so only 20 units were sent for evaluation around end of June. So far the feedback is great (I just heard a UK magazine reviewer commented that AVP-16 sounded as good as other top of the line AVP costing 3 to 5X the price).
Unfortuntely you have to wait for the next production batch to arrive in the US around mid August. Oh well, they will be shipped by sea so that takes 2 to 3 weeks to get here. We are out of stock.

Once we get our production schedule going smoothly, we will have them in stock on a regular basis.

Jason

mr_bill · « **Reply #42 on:** 17 Jul 2006, 03:53 am »

Jason,
Is the picture of the AVP 16 accurate or have changes been made to the front of the unit? Maybe you could post a current picture or is the pic on the website current?
What is the price of the AVP 1 and also, what is the price of the P8?
Thanks,
Bill

rustydoglim · « **Reply #43 on:** 20 Jul 2006, 08:58 am »

The pic on our website is accurate. To inquire about price, please contact your dealer or us directly. Posting a single price causes confusion for our worldwide customers because every country has their own import duties, sales tax and cost structures (for distribution, marketing, service and support).

Jason

KrK · « **Reply #44 on:** 31 Jul 2006, 04:51 pm »

Yesterday evening I tried a pair of Audience Au24 XLR interlinks and speakercables. The result is OUTSTANDING!

The setup I use now:

CEC TL5100 CD drive, AVP16 with XLR to Reference 9.02 to Tony Gee's Classic speakers

Very, very nice results

rustydoglim · « **Reply #45 on:** 1 Aug 2006, 12:26 pm »

The next production batch will begin on its journey to the US soil by sea

next week and will only arrive here around August 18.

cat75 · « **Reply #46 on:** 9 Aug 2006, 08:22 am »

AVp 6 are not made in USA?
Where are they made in ?

rustydoglim · « **Reply #47 on:** 9 Aug 2006, 08:07 pm »

China. Where do you expect good and cheap stuff come from

?
Seriously, even a lot of very high priced stuff have most of the parts made in Asia. We don't want to name names

.
S-9 speaker external crossover and cable are made in Taiwan, tweeter and driver came from Europe, the rest of the speaker is made and assembled in Indiana.
Ref 9 parts are from all over (literally) and final assembly is done in Taiwan. We are in the era of global sourcing and production. My point is that it has become irrelevant or hard to tell where everything came from.

ol'goat · « **Reply #48 on:** 11 Aug 2006, 02:46 pm »

I just became aware of the avp 16 and had a couple of questions.

1- For the analog inputs (not the 7.1) is any A/D processing performed? Ie can an analog device like a phono pre-amp be passed through the avp 16 without digitizing the signal, i.e is there a "direct" mode for the analog inputs?

2- Same question as above for the 7.1 input.

2- Do the tone controls work in the analog domain or must the signal be digitized for the tone controls to have any effect? Same question on bass management.

3- For "intelligent remote" users, are discrete IR commands defined for ON/OFF, all inputs, input modes (ana, opt coa), processing modes (DTS, DD, BYPASS)

4- In the manual it says once you select an input, you have to select an input mode (ANA, OPT , COA) and then a processing mode (DTS, DD DSP) must be selected. Can a default input mode be set for each of the inputs or does the input mode have to be selected each time you select and input?

5- Is there a processing mode that automatically detects DTS versus DD5.1 or do you have to specify this every time you select an input. (ie. if you select DTS for a DTS/DD DVD on the player, can the AVP 16 detect the choice automatically or must the AVP also be set to DTS versus DD?

Sorry for the number of questions, but I am seriously considering your product and your company seems to be very forthcoming about your products capabilities and direct which is very refreshing and appreciated.

Tim

sikoniko · « **Reply #49 on:** 25 Aug 2006, 11:46 am »

Quote from: ol'goat on 11 Aug 2006, 02:46 pm

I just became aware of the avp 16 and had a couple of questions.

1- For the analog inputs (not the 7.1) is any A/D processing performed? Ie can an analog device like a phono pre-amp be passed through the avp 16 without digitizing the signal, i.e is there a "direct" mode for the analog inputs?

2- Same question as above for the 7.1 input.

2- Do the tone controls work in the analog domain or must the signal be digitized for the tone controls to have any effect? Same question on bass management.

3- For "intelligent remote" users, are discrete IR commands defined for ON/OFF, all inputs, input modes (ana, opt coa), processing modes (DTS, DD, BYPASS)

4- In the manual it says once you select an input, you have to select an input mode (ANA, OPT , COA) and then a processing mode (DTS, DD DSP) must be selected. Can a default input mode be set for each of the inputs or does the input mode have to be selected each time you select and input?

5- Is there a processing mode that automatically detects DTS versus DD5.1 or do you have to specify this every time you select an input. (ie. if you select DTS for a DTS/DD DVD on the player, can the AVP 16 detect the choice automatically or must the AVP also be set to DTS versus DD?

Sorry for the number of questions, but I am seriously considering your product and your company seems to be very forthcoming about your products capabilities and direct which is very refreshing and appreciated.

Tim

Why no response to this Jason?

ol'goat · « **Reply #50 on:** 25 Aug 2006, 05:32 pm »

I was worried it was something I said

Double Ugly · « **Reply #51 on:** 25 Aug 2006, 06:24 pm »

I may be mistaken, but I believe Jason has been traveling a lot of late, and hasn't been able to check in as often.

Then again, it's possible he just missed it. Maybe an email to alert him of the post would do the trick.

-Jim

ol'goat · « **Reply #52 on:** 25 Aug 2006, 06:35 pm »

Jason's email address is hidden plus I didn't want to bother him with direct contact.. Didn't want to abuse the privilege. It is refreshing to have someone be responsive for a product. That is up until the time I have a question.

nuforce-casey · « **Reply #53 on:** 25 Aug 2006, 06:56 pm »

Quote from: ol'goat on 11 Aug 2006, 02:46 pm

I just became aware of the avp 16 and had a couple of questions.

1- For the analog inputs (not the 7.1) is any A/D processing performed? Ie can an analog device like a phono pre-amp be passed through the avp 16 without digitizing the signal, i.e is there a "direct" mode for the analog inputs?

2- Same question as above for the 7.1 input.

Don't have to worry about the minimal processing issue as we share your concerns.... All the inputs would operate in a 'bypassed' mode either in analog domain (7.1 input) or digital domain without DSP when the tonal controls is set to 0.

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2- Do the tone controls work in the analog domain or must the signal be digitized for the tone controls to have any effect? Same question on bass management.

As long as the tone control is left at 0.0, then there will be no DSP processing. Subwoofer processing is part of Dolby system and the AVP16 follows that requirement.

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3- For "intelligent remote" users, are discrete IR commands defined for ON/OFF, all inputs, input modes (ana, opt coa), processing modes (DTS, DD, BYPASS)

The power on/off is a hard button, not logic control. With the minimal power consumption (it's a preamp), just leave it on for the 'remote-centric'.

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4- In the manual it says once you select an input, you have to select an input mode (ANA, OPT , COA) and then a processing mode (DTS, DD DSP) must be selected. Can a default input mode be set for each of the inputs or does the input mode have to be selected each time you select and input?

There is an auto-detect that tries to detect between ANA/OPT/COA, and if that fails, you'd need to manually set, or if you hook up multiple signal to the same input, then you'd need to manually set the option.

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5- Is there a processing mode that automatically detects DTS versus DD5.1 or do you have to specify this every time you select an input. (ie. if you select DTS for a DTS/DD DVD on the player, can the AVP 16 detect the choice automatically or must the AVP also be set to DTS versus DD?

This is actually beyond the AVP16 control. The DVD with ES/EX after 2004 (or somewhere), provides a flag for the processor to detect, but not all DVDs work the same way.

Double Ugly · « **Reply #54 on:** 25 Aug 2006, 06:58 pm »

Considering the fact that there are only a few people who actually work at NuForce, I suspect the address from their website - salesteam@nuforce.com - would find it's way to someone who can address your questions.

I'm not connected with NuForce in any way, nor have I heard any of their products. Consequently, I have no reason to serve as their apologist. My only intent is to offer potentially feasible reasons for the delayed response.

ol'goat · « **Reply #55 on:** 25 Aug 2006, 08:34 pm »

casey
Thanks for the answers. They help considerably. The reason for the question on a discrete code for on/off is that my current preprocessor (Linn 5103) generates a LOT of heat when it is not in standby. If also does not provide a discrete IR code for standby on versus standby off. Inside a cabinet, it generates a lot of heat that all the other components don't have to deal with. The power amps got to standby automatically so they are not an issue when not in use.

Do you have plans to release a full listing of your discrete IR codes? Or is one available now? That would help greatly in determining just how well the AVP can be automated by intelligent remotes.

Thanks. Waiting for my dealer in Chicago to get ahold of a unit so we can see how it sounds.

Tim

rustydoglim · « **Reply #56 on:** 27 Aug 2006, 04:57 am »

Casey and I travelled a lot but we checked email frequently (several times a day). Yes, we missed this posting but Casey eventaully caught it.

The best way to contact us are through "salesteam" (for sales related questions) and "support" email address. We have a web base system where multiple people can pick up the emails and response to it. We have setup our company structure to be able to manage it anywhere in the world. And our designs and manufacturing are all over the place.

40 AVP-16 arrived at US custom on Friday (should be here on Monday) and another 150 are somewhere in the middle of the ocean on its way here.

sikoniko · « **Reply #57 on:** 30 Aug 2006, 03:31 pm »

I see you were able to add Dolby PLIIx to the AVP16. Did you consider adding the THX stuff?

FransDHT · « **Reply #58 on:** 31 Aug 2006, 12:11 pm »

ol'goat,

I am very interested in a comparison of the AVP16 an de the Linn 5103, as I have the Linn also and am missing a 5.1 analog input.

Frans

nuforce-casey · « **Reply #59 on:** 1 Sep 2006, 02:06 am »

Quote from: sikoniko on 30 Aug 2006, 03:31 pm

I see you were able to add Dolby PLIIx to the AVP16. Did you consider adding the THX stuff?

[Edited]THX is not a 'decoding' format, it does provide sound tweaking in DSP format such as attenuating the treble (to 'simulate' the theaters putting the speakers behind the screen, hence 'attenuated treble), and some other rear processing, but lately, the DD EX and DTS ES improved most of the rear decoding algorithm and new DVDs re-equalized the soundtrack for home playback (I have yet to recall any recent DVD having that bright HF). Again, it's a product positioning trade-offs between features and costs.