[Twiga]

@ Antun (R. Daneel): While I have respected almost all of your contributions to AC for their rational analysis and substantive knowledge, I believe that you are “offside” with your latest harangue targeted towards gbaby. Although I tend to disagree with many of his entries, I don’t think that AC is the place for ad hominem arguments. This should be exclusively a forum for discussion of audio equipment and not individual personality traits. Your attempts at character assassination of another member serve only to lessen your opinions in my eyes. Please refrain from other such contributions.

@gbaby Although your comments directed to R. Daneel were not as egregious as his, my suggestion to avoid personal attacks applies to you as well as all other members of this forum.

[gbaby]

@ Antun (R. Daneel): While I have respected almost all of your contributions to AC for their rational analysis and substantive knowledge, I believe that you are “offside” with your latest harangue targeted towards gbaby. Although I tend to disagree with many of his entries, I don’t think that AC is the place for ad hominem arguments. This should be exclusively a forum for discussion of audio equipment and not individual personality traits. Your attempts at character assassination of another member serve only to lessen your opinions in my eyes. Please refrain from other such contributions.

@gbaby Although your comments directed to R. Daneel were not as egregious as his, my suggestion to avoid personal attacks applies to you as well as all other members of this forum.

Thanks for your gesture as peacemaker but I never made personal attacks, and if I have please point out to me these attacks. And, I do agree with you as this should be a dignified forum for discussing audio equipment.

[gbaby]

@ Antun (R. Daneel): While I have respected almost all of your contributions to AC for their rational analysis and substantive knowledge, I believe that you are “offside” with your latest harangue targeted towards gbaby. Although I tend to disagree with many of his entries, I don’t think that AC is the place for ad hominem arguments. This should be exclusively a forum for discussion of audio equipment and not individual personality traits. Your attempts at character assassination of another member serve only to lessen your opinions in my eyes. Please refrain from other such contributions.

@gbaby Although your comments directed to R. Daneel were not as egregious as his, my suggestion to avoid personal attacks applies to you as well as all other members of this forum.

I am still waiting for you to point out my personal statements as I am decent and respectful and I have no problem apologizing. So let me know.

[Twiga]

@gbaby: To respond to you, I think the following could be construed as a personal attack:

"You have a problem. It may be comprehension, I don't know. How could anyone get offended by my comments unless they are innately sarcastic?”

"By the way, your arrogance is displayed in your post number 1106. “

I do not want to continue with this divergence from the purpose of this forum. Let’s drop it here.

[Jozsef]

The thing that makes a privately held company special is that there are no shareholders screaming to squeeze out every last penny of profit at the expense of the company's long term reputation and viability. I think in the specific case of the BDP-3, it should have been kept for the sake of offering a complete system of up to date components. The product had a significant profile and was a flagship. Tossing it is not a good look and will erode the company's perceived stature. It won't be an immediate cataclysm, just one increment of lost prestige. I'm genuinely sad about this because I have some insight into the magnitude of the achievement it represents. I built a computer with hardware and software carefully configured for audio but it was was a pain to use. After having enough of it and buying a BDP-1 and BDA-1, the convenience was wonderful and the improved sound quality was a big, happy surprise. (I've even upgraded since then.) Note that my desktop computer's sound card used the exact same DAC chips as the BDA-1. It's worth some inconvenience to show that you're the best even if that one particular product is not a big seller. Toyota did not expect to sell very many units of the LFA but it showed who they really are.

[James Tanner]

Hi Folks,

The BDP-3 was discontinued because no one was buying it.
Given todays much more capable small form factor computers (like in the BDP-3.14 and the BR-20) there was no need to have the expense of an older more complex player when much more can be achieved with far less cost given todays computer technology.

best
james

[gbaby]

@gbaby: To respond to you, I think the following could be construed as a personal attack:

"You have a problem. It may be comprehension, I don't know. How could anyone get offended by my comments unless they are innately sarcastic?”

"By the way, your arrogance is displayed in your post number 1106. “

I do not want to continue with this divergence from the purpose of this forum. Let’s drop it here.

While I disagree, I agree this divergence should stop. And, if it helps, I apologize to you and anyone else offended. Nothing in this subject matter warrants anger, wrath and hatred. Audiophiles should be on a very civil level.

[gbaby]

Hi Folks,

The BDP-3 was discontinued because no one was buying it.
Given todays much more capable small form factor computers (like in the BDP-3.14 and the BR-20) there was no need to have the expense of an older more complex player when much more can be achieved with far less cost given todays computer technology.

best
james

I'm glad I have mine as well as the SP3. I like the idea of separates with their own power supply with a larger chasis so the electronics can breath.

[alexone]

Hi Folks,

The BDP-3 was discontinued because no one was buying it.
Given todays much more capable small form factor computers (like in the BDP-3.14 and the BR-20) there was no need to have the expense of an older more complex player when much more can be achieved with far less cost given todays computer technology.

best
james

James,
is the SP3 out of production as well? If yes, for the same reasons??

thanx,

al.

[gbaby]

James,
is the SP3 out of production as well? If yes, for the same reasons??

thanx,

al.

The SP3 has been out of production for some time now. My own opinion is that just like folks who bad mouth the BDP3 help kill it, the SP3 was killed by folks who wanted Atmos and room correction. We can be our worse enemy.

[alexone]

…ah, ok! Sad news. The question is if Bryston comes out with a new HT Processor?? However, I love my BDP3! Still a really good sounding music machine!!!

al.

[gbaby]

…ah, ok! Sad news. The question is if Bryston comes out with a new HT Processor?? However, I love my BDP3! Still a really good sounding music machine!!!

al.

I don't think there is any incentive for Bryston to come out with a new processor due to the cost of development. I think the SP3 was under development since around 2008 and was not released until around 201l. I may be off a year or two but they spent around 1 million dollars to develop it. A new processor would require "EQ" and Atmos which seems contrary to the Bryston philosophy. Who wants to hear music coming from the ceiling? By the way, anyone owning an SP3 should try out the new Quardrophic discs in blu-ray. I like quad better than SACD 5.1. The SP3 handles quad superbly.

[Jozsef]

The SP3 has been out of production for some time now. My own opinion is that just like folks who bad mouth the BDP3 help kill it, the SP3 was killed by folks who wanted Atmos and room correction. We can be our worse enemy.

I've had numerous conversations with Bryston about the SP3 because I wanted one for a friend. It has some components that are only available in theory but never actually produced anymore, as well as others that are outright discontinued. They waited a very long time before accepting that it was over in spite of their desire to have the device available. It's my impression that they had incomplete units and were unable to find the necessary parts to finish them even on Ebay.

It is apparently a reliable device but under the circumstances, all we can do is hope that the existing ones have a long life. I wish I knew what to do for something similar but I'm not a subjective audiophile so someone telling me that device X sounds good does not constitute compelling evidence. (No snark intended, just want proper lab tests.)

[Jozsef]

Hi Folks,

The BDP-3 was discontinued because no one was buying it.
Given todays much more capable small form factor computers (like in the BDP-3.14 and the BR-20) there was no need to have the expense of an older more complex player when much more can be achieved with far less cost given todays computer technology.

best
james

Thanks, James. If it was literally not selling anymore, I'll have to accept that the market has spoken, even if I don't like the message and it makes me sad. Since I invoked the Lexus LFA as an analogy, it's noteworthy that it was produced for only two years and 500 were built, which for a car is a tiny handful. Perhaps the BDP line has made its statement and time has marched on. A look in the mirror would seem to confirm that last idea. 

[GSDaudio]

I love my BDP-3!    I always knew that it's really a purpose built computer powered product and like all computers will be obsolete in 5 years.

The good news is that the Manic Moose software will not limit its use beyond the 5 year timeline.   Hopefully the motherboard will last me 10 years!

BTW....I hope OS3 project applies to the BDP-3 if and when it will be released.

[gbaby]

I love my BDP-3!    I always knew that it's really a purpose built computer powered product and like all computers will be obsolete in 5 years.

The good news is that the Manic Moose software will not limit its use beyond the 5 year timeline.   Hopefully the motherboard will last me 10 years!

BTW....I hope OS3 project applies to the BDP-3 if and when it will be released.

I love mine too. But, the sad reality is that some members of this forum killed both the SP3 by constantly talking about Atmos, EQ and 4k when all the advertising for Bryston indicated it was designed first as an audio product. I have been using two Sony X00m2 with separate audio and video HDMI outputs to get around this issue. The same thing happened with the BDP3. Go back and read some of the awful things members said about the product's interface.There was never a complaint about its sonic prowess. The reason the BDP3 wasn't selling is that people read these comments, however, they are not comparing apples to apples. The digital players that have functions and interface folks want cost 3 and 4 times the price of the BDP3. Sad.

[alanford69]

I love mine too. But, the sad reality is that some members of this forum killed both

They must me affiliated with QAnon and most probably paid by the Rotschilds.

 

[Stefan_DR3]

 

SP3 cannot be built even if they wanted to.  This information is from Bryston tech support (I asked because I wanted one). 

A premium product needs modern HDMI (4K+) and network interfaces to properly integrate with a modern system.  No professional system integrator would touch it if it doesn't offer that, and these are the only type of dealers that stand a chance at selling such an expensive product today.

BDP3 days were numbered anyway.  There's only a finite number of motherboards for it available, if any.  What James said makes sense.  There can be more compact units the size of BDP-pi built with smaller boards.  The streamers in the BR20 and BDA3.14 are already examples of this.  They will all need modern software to run and stay relevant.  Only the BDP1 lacks the power to run the new OS3.

[jobiwon]

There can be more compact units the size of BDP-pi built with smaller boards.

I said this before.  I see all kind of request for DACless streamers and no storage.  There are people who just want to stream now with the increase in SQ.  PS Audio just came out with the Airlens that doesn't even have an interface  And the Moon Mind2 unit both around the $2K price point.  Ardivarna is also been released for linux so that can run on the SonicOrbiter OS.  Would there be a market for muscular BDP Pi 

[SoundGame]

Doubt this very much. 
The 3.14 and BR20 are alive and kicking with that same “inefficient” interface.

I hope you have many happy years with your BDP.

My BR20 is Roon Ready - I use ROON, the Moose interface is just unacceptable today with so many better interfaces available