JVC RX-D201/301 receivers

el-cheapo · « **Reply #100 on:** 9 Jun 2005, 02:22 am »

Quote from: dvdvideo

I don't get it.....don't you have enough inputs anyhow that this would not be a problem?

For instance just run analog to tape or cd input instead of dvd or tv......

Seems silly of jvc to do this...and really odd.....

Yeah, this is really kind of a preference thing.
I can understand, I think.
On a different note, Crutchfield has the 202/201 on sale for $179 I called and they credited my visa without a problem!

We watched "Signs" this weekend and that was really the first DVD where I had everything set up. Over all I am very pleased. I can see myself dumping more money into speakers someday, but for now I am happy as can be!

schweino · « **Reply #101 on:** 9 Jun 2005, 04:20 pm »

Quote from: dvdvideo

I don't get it.....don't you have enough inputs anyhow that this would not be a problem?

For instance just run analog to tape or cd input instead of dvd or tv......

Well, I'm used to switch my amp on and not having to touch it or switch inputs on it whatever I do (watch a DVD, watch TV, play with my Xbox), so it's really just what you are used to. I'm gonna get a Pioneer 915 now I think.

dvdvideo · « **Reply #102 on:** 10 Jun 2005, 08:21 am »

I'd be surprised if the pioneer sounds anywhere near as good.

thuway · « **Reply #103 on:** 14 Jun 2005, 02:24 am »

Can someone please explain which one is supposeldy better,

the F10 or the 201/301?

What is this non digital/analogue thing everyone is talking about?

Pardon my ignorance, but i'm learning just as well.

dvdvideo · « **Reply #104 on:** 14 Jun 2005, 07:15 am »

Nobody has done a head to head yet.

JuryDuty · « **Reply #105 on:** 18 Jun 2005, 09:48 pm »

Quote from: thuway

Can someone please explain which one is supposeldy better,

the F10 or the 201/301?

What is this non digital/analogue thing everyone is talking about?

Pardon my ignorance, but i'm learning just as well.

Nope, no one's done a head-to-head as dvdvideo said.

To clarify the automatically switching between digital and analog thing:

What the unit does is keep the previous settings for each channel you use. So for you TV channel, it remembers to keep that analog if that's what you set it at. Switch to DVD mode and it kicks into digital, etc. What it doesn't seem to do is, if you have it in TV mode, but then turn on your digital XBox, realize that it's digital. But in that case, you can set your XBox to another channel, press to hear it in that channel, then press TV and see your picture and you're set.

thuway · « **Reply #106 on:** 20 Jun 2005, 09:47 pm »

Damn that sounds like a hassle. JVC ought to consider a frickin' firmware upgrade.

I'm surpised no one has done a head to head.

suits_me · « **Reply #107 on:** 21 Jun 2005, 12:45 am »

How about five way binding posts before I take it seriously at all? Or do the new ones address this deal killer?

dwc · « **Reply #108 on:** 22 Jun 2005, 05:52 am »

Quote from: vpolineni

I think one feature the f10 has over these new receivers is the 5.1 inputs. it allows you to bypass all the dsp and only use the amplification-the reason why we're all interested in it in the first place. JVC made a mistake by not adding this to the new lineup imo.

I just got the 201, and am wondering whether I should return it or not for not having this "pure pass through" feature. Can someone provide more info on this or point me to a link explaining it? In the meantime I'm going to see if I can manually disable all the DSP features (one by one).

edit: on second thought and closer look, the "dvd-multi" inputs are only for the additional 3 inputs. The 2-channel inputs don't appear to be treated or labeled differently across the 201/301 amps. Both amps have the same 2-channel dvd-audio inputs. The 301 adds the additional 3 channels labeled dvd-multi.

So I'm thinking that for 2-channel playback there is no problem with the 201. You can disable all digital effects and run as a pure amp. But for those looking to do multi-channel amplification without dsp, you need the 301, as there is no multi-channel analog input on the 201.

-Dan

tschanrm · « **Reply #109 on:** 22 Jun 2005, 08:55 pm »

The 301 user manual is now up at JVC's website for those that are interested.

Edit: Good news, the wireless link can be used just like the direct usb connection! Plus, it does seem that the multi-in works just like the older JVC models.

Flyman · « **Reply #110 on:** 23 Jun 2005, 05:14 am »

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Can someone please explain which one is supposeldy better,

the F10 or the 201/301?
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Just looking at the manuals. It seems it comes down to whether you want DPIIx or not, the number of digital inputs, and the type of speaker terminals. F10=3 digital inputs w/spring clips. 201=2 digital inputs w/spring clips. 301=3 digital inputs w/binding posts and spring clips. I've been looking at all these too, and I'm thinking the F10 will work best for me. Now to convince my wife we need one. I have a Panny XR10 and love it. I'm wondering if someone has both- how do they compare? Specifically power and sound on movies. By the way, the xr10 and f10 can now be had for about $150 before shipping. They're definitely good deals.

tschanrm · « **Reply #111 on:** 23 Jun 2005, 08:39 pm »

Flyman, this might help you. Somebody over at AVS forum sent me an opinion between the xr10 and jvc es1sl back in march. :

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Hello- I currently have the Xr70, the JVC RX-ES1SL, and the Xr10 that I just bought on Ebay. The Xr10 was a factory sealed box for a "Buy It Now" price of $150.00. I am so blown away at the sound and construction of the Xr10. The JVC is better than Xr70 sound wise but neither can match the Xr10. This long winded preamble is to ask you if you would send the interier views of any XP series especially the Xr10 I would really appreciate it. I enjoyed your post on the XP10, the best I have read. Thanks H. Gallie

I also have the xr10, and can tell from internal pictures of both the f10 and xr10 that the xr10 is much better assembled than the f10. Soundwise I have no idea, as I never had the f10. Gallie's opinion leads me to believe that the JVC sound quality is more of a side step than an uprgrade. But, if you are looking for more features I would look into getting the f10 or 301.

hershey 22 · « **Reply #112 on:** 24 Jun 2005, 03:38 am »

Quote from: tschanrm

Flyman, this might help you. Somebody over at AVS forum sent me an opinion between the xr10 and jvc es1sl back in march. :

I also have the xr10, and can tell from internal pictures of both the f10 and xr10 that the xr10 is much better assembled than the f10. Soundwise I have no idea, as I never had the f10. Gallie's opinion leads me to believe that the JVC sound quality is more of a side step than an uprgrade. But, if you are looking for more features I would look into getting the f10 or 301.

I respectfully disagree with Gallie. I have had both the XR-10 and the F10 and I prefer the F10 in DVD Multi mode over the XR-10 digital for two channel stereo. It just is more involving and special for some reason. Comparing digital to digital it is no contest between the two as the XR-10 wins hands down! I also had exchanged 3 different XR-10's and all three had crackly volume control knobs. Also, I have had the XR-10 shut down numerous times at the same volumes as the F-10 whereas the F-10 has never shut down.

Don't get me wrong, the XR-10 is very detailed but falls short in the mids in my opinion whereas the F-10 shines. It is a tough call who has the worse customer service. We know more about these units than 99% of any rep you will talk at either company. Sad!!!!

Of course speaker compatability is huge when making your choice between these two. I would recommend getting both on a trial basis and you can't go wrong!! Enjoy the comparisons!

Flyman · « **Reply #113 on:** 24 Jun 2005, 04:39 am »

tschanrm and hershey, thanks for the replies. I'm mostly interested in listening via digital inputs. I'm thinking of replacing the XR10 with the F10s solely for the increase in digital inputs. But, I'm worried that I won't like the sound of the F10s as much. If I can get one brand new for $150, do you think it's worth it? How do you like the auto speaker setup feature (clap your hands), the digital equalizer, and the All Channel Stereo modes - Are they all hokey or are they worthwhile? It seems the digital equalizer along with an SPL meter would be very useful. Also how do the remotes compare?

hershey 22 · « **Reply #114 on:** 24 Jun 2005, 04:09 pm »

Quote from: Flyman

tschanrm and hershey, thanks for the replies. I'm mostly interested in listening via digital inputs. I'm thinking of replacing the XR10 with the F10s solely for the increase in digital inputs. But, I'm worried that I won't like the sound of the F10s as much. If I can get one brand new for $150, do you think it's worth it? How do you like the auto speaker setup feature (clap your hands), the digital equalizer, and the All Channel Stereo modes - Are they all hokey or are they worthwhile? It seems the d ...

Hey Fly,

The one thing you will get with the JVC is more things to play with!! I have messed around with the Smart Surround Setup (Handclap) but as I mentioned I have a two channel stereo setup with a 4 speaker array in DVD Multi Mode. Actually the DSP modes are actually pretty good on the JVC! The digital EQ is N/A in the DVD multi mode but I have used in the Digital mode and straight analog modes and it comes in pretty handy!! For $150 you can't go wrong but do as the Chairguy said and give it a chance with good power conditioning. Makes a big difference!!

Like I mentioned earlier, I like it better than the Panny XR-10. You may find that you also like the DVD Multi Mode instead of digital. You never know!! It also took me awhile to be convinced but now I'm hooked!!

Happy Listening and let us know what you end up doing!!

JeffB · « **Reply #115 on:** 24 Jun 2005, 04:31 pm »

I sent an email to JVC customer support asking them for any information about design choices that would lead to the new 201 sounding better or worse than the F10. I sent this about 3 months ago and JVC never responded.

hershey 22 · « **Reply #116 on:** 24 Jun 2005, 04:42 pm »

Quote from: JeffB

I sent an email to JVC customer support asking them for any information about design choices that would lead to the new 201 sounding better or worse than the F10. I sent this about 3 months ago and JVC never responded.

Jeff,

The prosecution rests!!

Don't get me started!!

fabaudio · « **Reply #117 on:** 24 Jul 2005, 09:44 pm »

Quote from: JeffB

I sent an email to JVC customer support asking them for any information about design choices that would lead to the new 201 sounding better or worse than the F10. I sent this about 3 months ago and JVC never responded.

I find it puzzling that no one has yet made a comparison?

Or did I miss something elsewhere

JuryDuty · « **Reply #118 on:** 14 Aug 2005, 01:38 am »

Hey guys,

Just wanted to post to say that I've had my 202B for 2 months now and tonight, while watching TV, it just blew up. I heard a pop and suddenly smoke was creeping out of the unit. Going to have to RMA it, etc. What a pain. Guess it really did run too hot.

fabaudio · « **Reply #119 on:** 14 Aug 2005, 02:00 am »

Sorry to hear that. My F10 runs hot but so far - no problems. It would be interesting to find out what part/s caused this. But then again if you can't be bothered finding out I don't blame you.