OK here are some pictures of the RM30 in cherry.....

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Florian

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They sound wonderfull and look great. New cables are comming tomorrow, and large images with better res are comming soon too. Cant make you guys load 11MB  :D












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« Reply #1 on: 3 Mar 2005, 08:40 pm »
Nice pics.  Looking forward to your comparisons to the Mags. hint hint.

Do you move the coffee table when you listen?

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« Reply #2 on: 3 Mar 2005, 08:41 pm »
Florian,
Looking good.  :)

One thought: you might wanna soften that coffee table (a blanket or something).  The bounce offf that glass is not gonna help those great RM-30's image like they should.   It's the first reflections that hurt the most (and converesely help the most when you get rid of them).

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« Reply #3 on: 3 Mar 2005, 08:47 pm »
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They sound wonderfull and look great. New cables are comming tomorrow, and large images with better res are comming soon too. Cant make you guys load 11MB  :D
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Nice picts. I like your green sound diffusers.  Be sure to add more ...  or to add some other room treatments.

Bruno

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« Reply #4 on: 3 Mar 2005, 08:56 pm »
Those are some beauties!!!!  It looks like it goes very nice with your room also.

You are not even close to what these will sound like!!!! :D

Give them 300 hours or so and your smile with become larger....they sound pretty good out of the box...don't they!!!!  Just wait!!!!!

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« Reply #5 on: 3 Mar 2005, 09:13 pm »
Thanks all....

How can they get better? They are so damn good already, so fast precise and they can go louder than hell with a clearness and precision i havent heard before. Ill write a review of them and the 3.6's after they are broken in. But i can tell you so far, that they eat the 3.6 for breakfast so far if you dont consider image height.

Oh man and the new cables are comming tomorrow.

BTW i added a nice cloth on the table and it did improve  :o

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« Reply #6 on: 3 Mar 2005, 09:34 pm »
As long as the cable work with the speaker and when they break in the imaging and bass get better. Clearity of the midrange get better also. Some instruments like strings become more natural and even voice take on a more lively and live feel.

Look what you have to look forward to!!!

Like I said....you think they sound good now...don't ya???

Larry

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« Reply #7 on: 3 Mar 2005, 09:36 pm »
Oh yes i sure do. And i am sure that my new cables with bring a large improvment too. This was a great purchase.


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« Reply #8 on: 3 Mar 2005, 10:45 pm »
With the Krell the RM30's should require only a little umdamping (a few fingernail scrapings off the putty mass).  You can leave level controls for now at the factory setting (12 o'clock mids, 12:30 trebles).  Once your cables have 50 hrs on them do the PR adjustments.  It does get considerably better.

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« Reply #9 on: 3 Mar 2005, 11:17 pm »
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With the Krell the RM30's should require only a little umdamping (a few fingernail scrapings off the putty mass).  You can leave level controls for now at the factory setting (12 o'clock mids, 12:30 trebles).  Once your cables have 50 hrs on them do the PR adjustments.  It does get considerably better.


Hello Big B !!

Thank you for making such a special loudspeaker. Out of the box and with pretty much no placment tryout you have made a speaker that i like better than my old giant killer the 3.6R. I do have one small concern tough, the ports that gets attached to the speakers should be the same size right? Because one of mine is smaller than the other and i can therefore only use 4 screws instead of 5. Is it possible that i can get a new port? If you put the two ontop of each other one is actually slimmer than the other.

Also,what makes my Krell so special than there is not much undamping required?

Thanks for all the answeres

Florian

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« Reply #10 on: 3 Mar 2005, 11:20 pm »
Florian, a thicker blanket over the table would be better....no table would be best...

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« Reply #11 on: 3 Mar 2005, 11:28 pm »
Your amp is SS and has a powerful bottom end.  Little undamping will be required.

Are you saying the base rails are not the same?  I don't see how that's possible, since the base plates fit only one size rail.  Measure and email me.

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« Reply #12 on: 4 Mar 2005, 12:28 am »
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Florian, a thicker blanket over the table would be better....no table would be best...

i have to agree w/the above.  when i saw the pics, my first thought was "i have to tell flo to get that table outta the room!"   :wink:

doug s.

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« Reply #13 on: 4 Mar 2005, 12:28 am »
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 Also,what makes my Krell so special than there is not much undamping required? ...


Hi Florian,

Yes, don't they look (and sound) sweet?  

To quickly answer your question, the putty adjustment "tunes" the whole bass system by making the passive radiator "heavier or lighter".

In a perfect bass system, all the drivers would stop and start "instantly".  But we live in the real world where all the drivers have mass (weight) and when they move back and forth, there is a small amount of time when they are changing direction.

Due to this the drivers are actually designed to stop and start.

But, if they are too light, then they respond too quickly and don't address the right frequencies.

On the other hand if they respond too slowly, they sound bloated and wooly (fuzzy bass).

So the idea is to add or subtract "damping material".  That is the load that must be accellerated and decellerated at the precise rate to get the notes "low" enough, yet, fast enough too.

When it is right, the depth, resolution and detail can be stunning!! :o

Amps on the other hand have a quality called "damping ratio".  This is a measure of how well the amp can control the speaker driver.

A high number is better in most cases.  I think B, is suggesting that the KRELL has a rather high "damping ratio" and because of this, you may not have to remove the full "pea sized" amount of putty I told you to take out.

It is too early to judge now, but it is OK to to have it either way in the begining as the surrounds on the woofers "loosen up" and break in.

After they become "looser", you may want to again reduce the mass of putty just a pinch again to slightly lighten the PR.  This will allow it to respond faster to the signal from the amp and since the suspension is now not as resitive, the cone will actually travel further.

If you make it too light, the PR (and even the woofers) will slightly "overshoot" the correct excursion, and you will then "add" just a touch (fingernail full) back.

The symtoms of too much, or too little are the same.  Wooly, unclear bass.  You want to find that window of clairity, between too much and too little.

Save any putty that you take off in seperately marked envelopes or plastic bags, so that you can add or subtract as needed.

I also notice that you have the woofers "pointed in".  At some point, feel free to switch their positions if you want to see what a different bass path and room interaction might sound like.

I think we maximized your "very precise" budget and I think you'll enjoy these more and more, everyday.

You have hours of fun, tweaking and moving them around to find the position(s) that you like the best.

While you could simply leave them as they are, and just allow them to play and enjoy them very much, I think (if I know you) you'll be tweaking and twisting and pinching here and there, and reporting your progress as we go along for the ride.

Have fun :mrgreen:

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« Reply #14 on: 4 Mar 2005, 01:07 am »
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Florian, a thicker blanket over the table would be better....no table would be best...

i have to agree w/the above.  when i saw the pics, my first thought was "i have to tell flo to get that table outta the room!"   :wink:

doug s.


Hehe, the only table cloth i found was that one. Where in america can i find a good looking dirt cheap table cloth?

 :D

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« Reply #15 on: 4 Mar 2005, 01:09 am »
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Hi Florian,

Yes, don't they look (and sound) sweet?  

To quickly answer your question, the putty adjustment "tunes" the whole bass system by making the passive radiator "heavier or lighter".

In a perfect bass system, all the drivers would stop and start "instantly".  But we live in the real world where all the drivers have mass (weight) and when they move back and forth, there is a small amount of time when they are changing direction.

Due to this the drivers are actually designed to stop and st ...


Thank you John for explaining it all to me, and the great support and patience on the phone with me in the past  :D

I am already moving them and struck a position that blows my mind. No speaker at all, a huge depth and detail i have never heard on the Phantom of the Opera before. I will wait with that putty thing for a bit (i removed a pie all togehter)  untill all is settled in. So far this is the most amzing speaker i know. I have no regrets having sold the 3.6R. And after my lucky position the voices are higher too  :D

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« Reply #16 on: 4 Mar 2005, 01:10 am »
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Florian, a thicker blanket over the table would be better....no table would be best...

i have to agree w/the above.  when i saw the pics, my first thought was "i have to tell flo to get that table outta the room!"   :wink:

doug s.


Hehe, the onlt table cloth i found was that one. Where in america can i find a good looking dirt cheap table cloth?

 :D


walmart, where else?   :lol:  

seriously - move the table outta the room for listening.  the difference won't be subtle...

doug s.

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« Reply #17 on: 4 Mar 2005, 01:21 am »
Yes, Doug and Marbles and all are correct. Either rob your bed for a nice thick flannel blanket, or simply move the table for serious listening.

I must say you have a GREAT LOOKING set up. Very Elegant, and Classy.

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« Reply #18 on: 4 Mar 2005, 01:24 am »
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...Yes, Doug and Marbles and all are correct. Either rob your bed for a nice thick flannel blanket, or simply move the table for serious listening. ...


sorry, john, i gotta partially disagree w/ya about this.  nothing short of 6" absorbing foam panels is gonna make much difference on that table, & even then, 6" of foam will only get ya half-way there, imo.  a flannel blanket is better than nothing, but *nothing* there at all, is best, imo!   :wink:

doug s.

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« Reply #19 on: 4 Mar 2005, 01:40 am »
Mmmmmh since this is my friends room (i am only visiting for a loooong time) i cant throw out the table. Maybe some rearanging ??  Any tips...feel free to move all you see....

 :D

This should be interesting,,,





I just moved the table out of the room and noticed no difference. Thats weird cause when i put the cloth on i noticed a  difference. Is it my brain, or am i going deaf ?