Mark Schifter's Rocket Digital equalization for 400.00

warnerwh · « **on:** 4 Feb 2005, 04:59 am »

Had just been reading about this in Bound For Sound. Anybody know anything about it. Sounds like something similar to the DEQX.

Mad DOg · « **Reply #1 on:** 4 Feb 2005, 05:33 am »

there's 2 offerings from MLS...

1. SOCS = Speaker Only Correction System. speaker correction curves are loaded on a P-Tech P-1/A to work btwn the CD transport and DAC...

2. R-DES for bass equalization. 4 or 5 band digital eq that can tame peaks in bass response in your room. box is placed btwn pre/pro and sub.

warnerwh · « **Reply #2 on:** 4 Feb 2005, 05:54 am »

Where can I find out more? Thanks

Rocket · « **Reply #3 on:** 4 Feb 2005, 06:11 am »

Hi Mad Dog,

I thought socs hadn't been introduced at this stage, except for a couple of models.

Is socs available for custom made speakers?

Regards

Rod

Mad DOg · « **Reply #4 on:** 4 Feb 2005, 07:47 am »

Quote from: warnerwh

Where can I find out more? Thanks

ck the forum at av123.com or ask for info at the av123 manufacturer's circle here....

Mad DOg · « **Reply #5 on:** 4 Feb 2005, 07:50 am »

Quote from: Rocket

Hi Mad Dog,

I thought socs hadn't been introduced at this stage, except for a couple of models.

Is socs available for custom made speakers?

Regards

Rod

Hello Rod,

SOCS has been released for a few of the Onix speakers. I know it is available for the 750s and Ref 1s. I'm sure the Ref 3 curve is currently being developed. You'll have to contact av123 to find out what the deal is to get SOCS for custom made speakers.

Hope all is well in the land down under....

Take care,
MD

Rocket · « **Reply #6 on:** 4 Feb 2005, 11:44 am »

Hi Mad Dog,

Thanks for the information i will contact av123. I have the p3a (modwright level 2), p1a and monolithic power supply and it would be good to finish the system off with socs.

Everything is going well here, the weather is excellent. How are you?

Regards

Rod

Harry P · « **Reply #7 on:** 4 Feb 2005, 12:36 pm »

ACI also has been saying they plan to carry it. They say they'll be announcing the presale very soon. Check on their forum here. There is a link to a pge with screen shot

MGDeWulf · « **Reply #8 on:** 5 Feb 2005, 10:19 pm »

In typical Shifter fashion, the Rocket will be easy to use, effective and inexpensive. One big drawback right now - no software available to run it. Should be out shortly.

Marty

cab · « **Reply #9 on:** 5 Feb 2005, 10:27 pm »

Might I add that that is also in typical Shifter fashion- lots of marketing hype and no product...Anyone remember Perpertual Technologies? Bought my P-3, what, 4 years ago (?), with great promises of room and speaker correction software "to be released any minute now"...Been hearing this "almost ready" story now for so long, it is almost funny...I would advise anyone considering buying anything from Mr. Shifter to wait until the goods are actually shipping with ALL COMPONENTS AND SOFTWARE before buying anything on a promise. His word is worthless....

Adam_Reiter · « **Reply #10 on:** 5 Feb 2005, 11:07 pm »

Quote from: cab

His word is worthless....

That is such rediculous remark, that I don't even know where to begin!

birdwizard · « **Reply #11 on:** 5 Feb 2005, 11:33 pm »

I believe Cab's last statement is not really fair to Mark.
All indications are that he is a great guy with
good intentions.

I do think that AV123 strings projects along a good amount of
time and seems to be optimistic in their timetables.

I also think a big part of their marketing strategy is to keep
people looking at the forum in hope and anticipation of
the next big announcement. Oddly enough, the good folks
that hang out over there don't seem to mind at all.

BradJudy · « **Reply #12 on:** 5 Feb 2005, 11:53 pm »

While I feel Mark has a lot of integrity and his word is worth a lot (I know him personally, so my view is based on more than product timelines), I agree that one should buy products because they are the right choice for you now. If it will not have value for you until a later addition, wait to buy until that later edition is available. Out of the gate R-DES will have a lot of value for a lot of people. For others, the value will only be there when a bundled measurement component is available. They should wait to buy. It's a fairly simple way to think about your purchases that will save you some frustration regardless of who you are dealing with (if you think Onix is the only company not to hit timelines then I envy whatever field you work in

).

cab · « **Reply #13 on:** 6 Feb 2005, 12:52 am »

Perhaps "worthless" was a bit strong....How about "devoid of credibility"??

I believe I speak for more than a few unhappy P-1 purchasers who bought on the promises and hype and have seen nothing but talk, excuses, delays, and more talk. The product was marketed on its ability to do all sorts of DSP, and then it turns out that it is 99% vaporware. The original price of the product was justified on the basis that soon, very soon, room correction and speaker correction would transform the listening experience, and everyone that bought into the P-1 paradigm would be, any minute now, any day now, soon, just a little longer...able to participate, via their P-1, in this revolutionary new audio experience..."Gee, it's kind of expensive, isn't it? Come on! This thing will do room correction, speaker correction, upsample, it's a steal!" Yeah, right....

Now, look at the record..While I could easily fill this space with an endless list of direct quotes from Mr. Schifter regarding the imminent releases of the room and speaker correction software for his P-1 product, I have wasted enough of my time already over this issue...just believe me when I tell you he has gone on the record so many times with his promises that anything he says about this product, and by association, any other product, that I refuse to believe it until it is actually shipping with all its components included. I would never buy anything from him or anyone associated with him again, based on a promise.

Do I feel ripped off? Damn right. And I bet there are many others who feel the same way. Burn me once, shame on me...

Rocket · « **Reply #14 on:** 6 Feb 2005, 01:33 am »

Hi Cab,

I certainly can understand your frustration. I have a perpetual technologies p3a (modwright level 2), p1a and monolithic power supply. I bought my gear secondhand and feel it was worth the price i paid for them.

If i had sunk $2300us (or thereabouts) i would certainly feel a bit disappointed. I would say that at this stage socs etc won't be released.

Regards

Rod

cab · « **Reply #15 on:** 6 Feb 2005, 01:37 am »

Yeah, at this stage I think you are right...

What do you think a used P-1A is worth now on the used market? Let me guess....

I think Mr. Schifter owes a lot of people a refund....

Rocket · « **Reply #16 on:** 6 Feb 2005, 01:42 am »

Hi Cab,

I bought mine for $450us secondhand about 18 months ago. At the end of the day though it is still a good quality product but i do understand your disappointment.

Is your p3a modified? Mine was modify by dan at modwright and i think it is a stellar performer? Adding the p1a in the mix does seem to make a slight difference.

Regards

Rod

cab · « **Reply #17 on:** 6 Feb 2005, 02:22 am »

Yes, I have all the ModWright mods and the Monolithic power supply...

I paid full retail when I purchased 4+ years ago. You are lucky; I guess I wouldn't be so dissatisfied if I hadn't paid the premium for all the baseless hype. And the fact that I had to send both units in multiple times for repairs/retro work didn't help either.

Yes, the P-1 adds something to the combo, but $900 for an upsampler???

I chalk my situation up to experience and will no longer buy anything based on promises and hype....

Rob Babcock · « **Reply #18 on:** 6 Feb 2005, 04:13 am »

It seems naive to me to buy something based upon what it might later do. By all accounts, even at the asking price it's one of the elite DACs in stock form. I'd imagine that's why a pretty good percentage of the buyers bought it.

If I had the money I'd probably buy one, too. Hopefully used from someone like you.

Adam_Reiter · « **Reply #19 on:** 6 Feb 2005, 05:40 am »

Too bad you feel the way you do. I have heard SOCS at CES and its a killer. I however have the inside story about why its delayed and have met the actual engineers that ceated it. Its very complicated.

I think Rob is right...they are great products on their own for the price.

Bottom line is, MLS is a damn genious and a true and utter gentleman and one of the greatest and kindest people I have ever met. If he has a to do some things, there are definite reasons for it. He cant release SOCS and anything else until its absolutely bulletproof. Perhaps he jumped the gun a little, but obviously he was very excited this product.

I am sure owners of PTECH would rather have it right the first time.