Good subwoofers to pair with Cirrus?

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Good subwoofers to pair with Cirrus?
« on: 6 Nov 2015, 04:49 pm »
I have a lovely pair of Cirrus at home and I absolutely LOVE them, I have heard some new systems that incorporated stereo subwoofers crossed at 40-50 hz to work with ported speakers with good lower octaves like the Cirrus but just missing that lowest Octave or two for the world class bass.  I have recently set up a new listening room that is sufficiently sized to not be overloaded by a good subwoofer 20x30 with 7 foot ceilings.  any recommendations for a good sub to cover 20-60Hz at most with musicality, texture, and resolution to match the Cirrus Black?

I have been looking at some of REL's offerings but to really perform well in that super low range my outlay would be as much as my speakers.  Ryan do you have anything planned?  Anyone have any recommendations?  My HSU just does not blend well.  Should I DIY?  What are some good drivers?

electricbear

Re: Good subwoofers to pair with Cirrus?
« Reply #1 on: 6 Nov 2015, 05:10 pm »
The JL Audio Fathom series of subs are some of the most musical.

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Re: Good subwoofers to pair with Cirrus?
« Reply #2 on: 6 Nov 2015, 05:14 pm »
And expensive, $5,000 speakers and $6,800 for stereo subs, lets try again :).  I agree the Fathom sounds pretty good but for the money it should do a lot more than bass.


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Re: Good subwoofers to pair with Cirrus?
« Reply #4 on: 6 Nov 2015, 05:32 pm »
I have a lovely pair of Cirrus at home and I absolutely LOVE them, I have heard some new systems that incorporated stereo subwoofers crossed at 40-50 hz to work with ported speakers with good lower octaves like the Cirrus but just missing that lowest Octave or two for the world class bass.  I have recently set up a new listening room that is sufficiently sized to not be overloaded by a good subwoofer 20x30 with 7 foot ceilings.  any recommendations for a good sub to cover 20-60Hz at most with musicality, texture, and resolution to match the Cirrus Black?

I have been looking at some of REL's offerings but to really perform well in that super low range my outlay would be as much as my speakers.  Ryan do you have anything planned?  Anyone have any recommendations?  My HSU just does not blend well.  Should I DIY?  What are some good drivers?

Rythmik 15 inch should do the trick for music. I would not recommend 12" for your room
http://www.rythmikaudio.com/F15HP.html

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Re: Good subwoofers to pair with Cirrus?
« Reply #5 on: 6 Nov 2015, 05:40 pm »
Not sure why folks around here dont consider/recommend the TBI subs more often...musical, fast, discreet and a pretty good company to deal with. Ive had mine for a decade and used it with omegas, LS35a-which are notoriously difficult to integrate and enjoyed it with all of them


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Re: Good subwoofers to pair with Cirrus?
« Reply #7 on: 6 Nov 2015, 06:16 pm »
Need a few questions answered if you don't mind......

What are you using for a pre/pro? (how much control over the bass output do you have via it?)
You mention stereo subs and "subwoofers" in your title - do you plan on getting 2? or more?
Size issues? (WAF)
What do you hope to achieve? (HT frequencies? Pipe Organ?)
Budget?

Different subs have different ways of reaching different goals. If you can get away with it, get multiple subs and a controller that gives flexibility with regard to output, phase, individual control, and room correction as an option. Don't forget room treatments.

I have a JB Audio Fathom myself, but also love the bass from the Dual 12" OB's on my Super V's, so if you can swing it (DIY) you might want to look at the GR Research dual/triple H-frame 12". Very musical yet hit with authority when needed and have fewer room interface issues. The Servo Amps give you a lot of control flexibility as well.

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Re: Good subwoofers to pair with Cirrus?
« Reply #8 on: 6 Nov 2015, 06:35 pm »
Upgrade to Joule.

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Re: Good subwoofers to pair with Cirrus?
« Reply #9 on: 6 Nov 2015, 06:46 pm »
Don't hesitate to ask Ryan what he could do a sub or pair of subs for. I listened to a pair of subs he made that were really nice and integrated seamlessly with a pair of Sundogs he had set up in his upstairs listening room.

You could rest assured that they would be the perfect compliment to the Cirrus. I think that's one of them in the background of my signature pic.

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Re: Good subwoofers to pair with Cirrus?
« Reply #10 on: 6 Nov 2015, 08:32 pm »
Need a few questions answered if you don't mind......

What are you using for a pre/pro? (how much control over the bass output do you have via it?)
You mention stereo subs and "subwoofers" in your title - do you plan on getting 2? or more?
Size issues? (WAF)
What do you hope to achieve? (HT frequencies? Pipe Organ?)
Budget?

Different subs have different ways of reaching different goals. If you can get away with it, get multiple subs and a controller that gives flexibility with regard to output, phase, individual control, and room correction as an option. Don't forget room treatments.

I have a JB Audio Fathom myself, but also love the bass from the Dual 12" OB's on my Super V's, so if you can swing it (DIY) you might want to look at the GR Research dual/triple H-frame 12". Very musical yet hit with authority when needed and have fewer room interface issues. The Servo Amps give you a lot of control flexibility as well.

I prefer the sound of two subs when blending with a stereo image, maybe it is psychoacoustic but I always get too much bloated single point sounding bass from one sub.

My Pre Pro will have to change as well with the addition of a subwoofer or two and I will take into account bass management (any suggestions here?)

Size is no issue, this is a dedicated listening room.

I hope to achieve a full 20hz-20khz experience and for 2 channel musically throughout.  I feel reinforcing the lowest end of the bass would yield a better performance in stereo music listening, more space, impat, and dynamics.

Budget is up in the air right now, this is a long term project likely and not something I need to solve immediately, with the Cirrus in a properly treated room as it stands I have the best soundstage I have ever heard, so I am really just tinkering.

I would love to hear the Rythmik (Gr research) servo subs in home, the price is great and from what I have read and heard they are spectacular.

I will have to talk to Ryan first, see if he can offer some sort of solution.  A Modular Joule, with ported upper section?  I like the idea of being able to place stereo subs independently of the treble midrange, it is unlikely the best place for the bass transducers will be the same as the mid tweeters.

Phil A

Re: Good subwoofers to pair with Cirrus?
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Re: Good subwoofers to pair with Cirrus?
« Reply #12 on: 6 Nov 2015, 10:01 pm »
I just ordered a pair of Rhytmik L12's to mate with my Green Mountain Audio Eos, I did a lot of searching and almost ordered the Gallo sub's that Underwoodhifi have on sale at a great price, but in the end I decided to go with the Rhytmik servo subs. Two servo subs delivered to my door for under $1100.

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Re: Good subwoofers to pair with Cirrus?
« Reply #13 on: 6 Nov 2015, 10:30 pm »
I am going to order a pair of F12SE's to mate with my Nola KO's after the first of the year. A little over $1900 for the pair with shipping.

roscoeiii

Re: Good subwoofers to pair with Cirrus?
« Reply #14 on: 6 Nov 2015, 11:39 pm »
Audiokinesis Swarm would be another possibility.

I also like REL via speaker outputs rather than RCA.

SoCalWJS

Re: Good subwoofers to pair with Cirrus?
« Reply #15 on: 6 Nov 2015, 11:40 pm »
I prefer the sound of two subs when blending with a stereo image, maybe it is psychoacoustic but I always get too much bloated single point sounding bass from one sub.

My Pre Pro will have to change as well with the addition of a subwoofer or two and I will take into account bass management (any suggestions here?)

Size is no issue, this is a dedicated listening room.

I hope to achieve a full 20hz-20khz experience and for 2 channel musically throughout.  I feel reinforcing the lowest end of the bass would yield a better performance in stereo music listening, more space, impat, and dynamics.

Budget is up in the air right now, this is a long term project likely and not something I need to solve immediately, with the Cirrus in a properly treated room as it stands I have the best soundstage I have ever heard, so I am really just tinkering.

I would love to hear the Rythmik (Gr research) servo subs in home, the price is great and from what I have read and heard they are spectacular.

I will have to talk to Ryan first, see if he can offer some sort of solution.  A Modular Joule, with ported upper section?  I like the idea of being able to place stereo subs independently of the treble midrange, it is unlikely the best place for the bass transducers will be the same as the mid tweeters.
I think I heard Ryan talking about a sub one time, and it became obvious to me very quickly that he was after a State of the Art level of performance -  and way out of my price range. On the other hand, I've thought all of the 15" Woofer models that I've heard from Vapor did a very adequate job for any material I ever heard playing. Never had a chance to listen to HT type material. If Vapor comes up with a straight forward Sub featuring one of those drivers, I would expect it to perform very well.

Definitely see if you can get a listen to the GR OB's if you can get a chance. Have all of the qualities I like. Fast, deep, easy to adjust, weight when you need it yet unobtrusive when they are not called for. They also have been much more easily placed into a room w/o major issues than the box subs I've used (JL Audio, MFW-15 Turbo, and Velodyne). I've tried to read the articles on why this is so, but I seem to fail to grasp the fundamental concept, just know that I enjoy the sound a great deal.

I've never heard them with Vapor's, but I would think they would work well together.

Phil A

Re: Good subwoofers to pair with Cirrus?
« Reply #16 on: 7 Nov 2015, 12:33 am »
The other question is have you measure the response in your room from the listening position?  Bass frequencies sum in a room.  If you add a sub or subs you would want to cross them over below where the mains drop off.  For example if the Cirrus starts to drop off at 37Hz, then you would want to cross over the sub at a point below that.  If that was where the drop off point is, I'd start around 32Hz with something like a Rel.  I have two Rels in the main system but it two back-up systems I use one.  One of those has Ohm Microwalsh Talls, the other is old B&W P6s.  Both are small floorstanders.  Both rooms are not big but I honestly can't tell where the sub is (I use a one third octave RTA for set-up).

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Re: Good subwoofers to pair with Cirrus?
« Reply #17 on: 7 Nov 2015, 12:35 am »
Definitely see if you can get a listen to the GR OB's if you can get a chance. Have all of the qualities I like. Fast, deep, easy to adjust, weight when you need it yet unobtrusive when they are not called for. They also have been much more easily placed into a room w/o major issues than the box subs I've used (JL Audio, MFW-15 Turbo, and Velodyne).

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kgturner

Re: Good subwoofers to pair with Cirrus?
« Reply #18 on: 7 Nov 2015, 02:36 am »
I am going to order a pair of F12SE's to mate with my Nola KO's after the first of the year. A little over $1900 for the pair with shipping.

Hope you have better luck than me. I ordered a pair of F12SE on 8-25-15 and I still have not received them. The back order date according to Rythmik's site keeps getting pushed back. It was mid-October. Now it's the end of November.

Kevin T

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Re: Good subwoofers to pair with Cirrus?
« Reply #19 on: 7 Nov 2015, 04:31 am »
Don't hesitate to ask Ryan what he could do a sub or pair of subs for. I listened to a pair of subs he made that were really nice and integrated seamlessly with a pair of Sundogs he had set up in his upstairs listening room.

You could rest assured that they would be the perfect compliment to the Cirrus. I think that's one of them in the background of my signature pic.

Here are those same Sundogs in the foreground, with dual 18" subs carrying the lows. I would have loved to hear those subs you did, with them.