[unincognito]

Chris, my dealer just informed me yesterday they have received my BDP-1 and that I should come and pick it up. This possibly means you had actually witnessed the production of my very own BDP-1! If it is not a secret, how many BDP-1s have you produced in total? According to Mr. Spence, mine is S/N 1043.

Best,
Antun

Your unit was likely made the previous week, the last bdp-1's I believe are still on the burn-in bench to be shipped next week.

We are currently getting ready to release a new product based on the bdp-1 at a lower price. Essentially it will be a bdp-1 without the sound card, so rather then output audio over aes/ebu or bnc you'll need a dac with a USB input.

Cheers,
Chris

[unincognito]

Ooh, I find this bit of news somewhat bittersweet. If my player will do it, my DAC is now the obstacle. Perhaps, I'll just have to get a BDA-2 to replace my Audio Research DAC7, eh?

I think I'll have a go at Manic Moose tonight. That moose was rather manic the last time, but that was pretty early. The escape route is painless enough if I choose to revert (again). Thanks for that, by the way.

Ah, yes, I had forgotten about the BOT - an excellent product concept. Am I correct in inferring that  the BDP-1 will permit the use of the BOT, but in a less ideal manner? I guess I need to follow bjski's example. Get a BDP-2 and slide the BDP-1 into the second system. 

I don't believe the BDA-2 will receive dsd support.

The bot will be a two product, the drive with the USB connection allowing the bot to function with both a bdp-1 and bdp-2.  The bdp-2 should provide enough power to the bot to power the bot over USB, but the bdp-1 will not.  The second piece will be a power supply that will most certainly be needed to power the bot inconjunction with a bdp-1 and perhaps the 2 as well.  I'll have more info when the the first production version of the not system boards come in.  The bdp-1 will contain playback and ripping features just like the bdp-2, the bdp-2 may simply include additional playback options.

cheers,
Chris

[Rod_S]

Ooh, I find this bit of news somewhat bittersweet. If my player will do it, my DAC is now the obstacle. Perhaps, I'll just have to get a BDA-2 to replace my Audio Research DAC7, eh?

I think I'll have a go at Manic Moose tonight. That moose was rather manic the last time, but that was pretty early. The escape route is painless enough if I choose to revert (again). Thanks for that, by the way.

Ah, yes, I had forgotten about the BOT - an excellent product concept. Am I correct in inferring that  the BDP-1 will permit the use of the BOT, but in a less ideal manner? I guess I need to follow bjski's example. Get a BDP-2 and slide the BDP-1 into the second system. 

It's my understanding that neither the BDA-1 or BDA-2 support DSD thus you would need to look outside of Bryston for a DAC that supports it. The BDP at least allows you to send it to an appropriate DAC via the USB out. I'm in the process of learning what it takes to get DSD at the moment as well and learning as much as I can now before I purchase rather than make a mistake and be out a huge chuck of change only to find out I can't play DSD. My questioning has already saved me a boat load on an expensive AES/EBU cable I was thinking I needed to purchase. Now that I know if I want DSD I can't use an AES/EBU cable and need to use a USB cable instead.

[R. Daneel]

Your unit was likely made the previous week, the last bdp-1's I believe are still on the burn-in bench to be shipped next week.

We are currently getting ready to release a new product based on the bdp-1 at a lower price. Essentially it will be a bdp-1 without the sound card, so rather then output audio over aes/ebu or bnc you'll need a dac with a USB input.

Cheers,
Chris

Hi Chris!

I was actually thinking about BDP-3 and whether Bryston would implement a sound card or use only software decoders with USB output. Because USB does seem to be the only way to putput DSD and while the format itself is not much of anything, it does seem to be the latest "buzz" in the market and people want it even if they don't need it. I am curious though, how will you name this new BDP without a sound card?

Also, if you keep a track record, how many BDP-1s in total have you manufactured?

Cheers!
Antun

[James Tanner]

Hi Daniel,

We are thinking of calling it the 'BDP-1 USB'  It will be a BDP-1 but with the backboard changed to only show USB connectors and the sound card and AES and BNC connections gone.  This saves a chunk of money and allows our customers to get a state of the art digital player at a much reduced price to use wiih their USB DAC's.

I think we are around 1100 units but not exactly sure.

james

[R. Daneel]

I don't believe the BDA-2 will receive dsd support.

The bot will be a two product, the drive with the USB connection allowing the bot to function with both a bdp-1 and bdp-2.  The bdp-2 should provide enough power to the bot to power the bot over USB, but the bdp-1 will not.  The second piece will be a power supply that will most certainly be needed to power the bot inconjunction with a bdp-1 and perhaps the 2 as well.  I'll have more info when the the first production version of the not system boards come in.  The bdp-1 will contain playback and ripping features just like the bdp-2, the bdp-2 may simply include additional playback options.

cheers,
Chris

Hi Chris!

Are you going to provide the power supply as an external or an internal solution?

Also, when you say the BOT-1 will allow for playback control, does that mean we will see some transport controls and a display on the unit? I thought it was going to be an add-on unit with nothing but open/close button and disc tray on the front.

I mean, the BDP/BDA combination is significantly more money than a new BCD would be and raising the price further to accomodate the display and the controls on the BOT might sway people towards the new BCD (if there is ever going to be one) and thus make the BOT project a bit odd. The BCD and BOT projects seem be a competition to each other and if BOT is more than 40% of the BCD price, I don't think it will succeed. It is just my opinion.

However, since BOT will have a blu-ray drive inside, it might be possible to make it play DVDs with high-resolution files like the HRx DVDs from Reference Recordings. I think it would make the BOT a different category from the BCD and it would certainly find it's place under the Sun.

Cheers!
Antun

[James Tanner]

Hi Chris!

Are you going to provide the power supply as an external or an internal solution?

Also, when you say the BOT-1 will allow for playback control, does that mean we will see some transport controls and a display on the unit? I thought it was going to be an add-on unit with nothing but open/close button and disc tray on the front.

I mean, the BDP/BDA combination is significantly more money than a new BCD would be and raising the price further to accomodate the display and the controls on the BOT might sway people towards the new BCD (if there is ever going to be one) and thus make the BOT project a bit odd. The BCD and BOT projects seem be a competition to each other and if BOT is more than 40% of the BCD price, I don't think it will succeed. It is just my opinion.

However, since BOT will have a blu-ray drive inside, it might be possible to make it play DVDs with high-resolution files like the HRx DVDs from Reference Recordings. I think it would make the BOT a different category from the BCD and it would certainly find it's place under the Sun.

Cheers!
Antun

Hi Antun

The BOT is really a different concept than a CD player - the BOT uses the BDP-2 or BDP-1 to play a CD or rip a CD to an attached drive on the BDP. So when you are listening to the CD the signal is outputted as a digital signal and is being processed by the BDP.  With a CD player the CD is outputted as an analog signal to your preamp.

The BOT is simply a drive - no display as the display will be on the BDP as well as your IPAD or Computer etc.

Here is a shot of what it may look like:



james

[R. Daneel]

Hi Antun

The BOT is really a different concept than a CD player - the BOT uses the BDP-2 or BDP-1 to play a CD or rip a CD to an attached drive on the BDP. So when you are listening to the CD the signal is outputted as a digital signal and is being processed by the BDP.  With a CD player the CD is outputted as an analog signal to your preamp.

The BOT is simply a drive - no display as the display will be on the BDP as well as your IPAD or Computer etc.

Here is a shot of what it may look like:



james

Hi James!

Oh, I get that all processing is done by the BDP, I just thought that a display and controls would mean some kind of control circuitry that would increase the cost of the BOT, that's all.

Can you give us an estimate on the price of the BOT please?

One other thing, I see that's a slot-loading mechanism. I am not familiar with any blu-ray slot-loading drive so is blu-ray drive still your choice?

Cheers!
Antun

[James Tanner]

Not sure on price yet or drive as Chris the mad scientist is still experimenting.

James

[R. Daneel]

Not sure on price yet or drive as Chris the mad scientist is still experimenting.

James

Supervisors never have understanding for mad scientists! They just want it "done". I know how you feel Chris!! 

[ttsto]

Considering the slot loading drive, I take this is mainly for ripping and not for regular listening.

[James Tanner]

Considering the slot loading drive, I take this is mainly for ripping and not for regular listening.

Hi

Why do you feel not regular listening?

james

[kevin360]

I think we are around 1100 units but not exactly sure.

The primary objective raised by some of the people to whom I've demonstrated the BDP-1 (or mentioned it elsewhere in cyberspace) is the cost, which never made any sense to me. With a production run around 1100 units, outstanding build quality, absolutely splendid design and, in my experience, perfect and annoyance free performance, the price of admission seems downright cheap. The rhetorical question implied above is, “How many units did it take to recoup the R&D costs (which are ongoing)?”

The simple truth is that my SONOS does Internet streaming stuff better, but that doesn't mean much, if anything, to me. With the optional addition of the BOT, the BDP covers more bases in typical Bryston fashion – brilliant! It brings questions to mind, however. How much control will the user have with respect to ripping CDs (from format to naming conventions)?

Thanks for retrieving my head from the stinky tunnel (re: BDA-2 DSD support - I knew that, but ). Of course, that means I have no reason to replace my current DAC, unless a BDA-3 comes along (and supports DSD). A dedicated DSD device is the logical solution, except that I'm running the BNC output downstairs to my garage system – the BDP-1 gives me two players in one!

[James Tanner]

Yes I think a DAC has to have 2 individual circuit paths if you really want to optimize both PCM and DSD playback or add a dedicated DSD DAC to an already existing quality PCM DAC.

james

[Rod_S]

So when can we expect the BDA-3 which does exactly that, mid December perhaps I wouldn't mind having another Bryston Christmas present this year. Last year 's was awesome with the pair of 28's, granted they were gifts to myself but that's just the fine print

[ttsto]

Hi

Why do you feel not regular listening?

james

I am worried will scratch the CDs due to slot loading

[R. Daneel]

There was a topic on Bryston's 2-channel version of the SP3. Perhaps the BDA will evolve into a preamp/DAC and I know James mentioned if he can have his way, he'd add a digital crossover network as well. That'd be awesome!

[werd]

Im sure there are lots of BDP1s demo in showrooms around.  They are cheaper and if 4 usb drives compared to 6 is ok then its a go. I would like to hear a SS drive installed and hear that in a BDP2.

The BDP1 seems more aligned to the original selling point. Being able to play files with out the issues of a computer.  Installing HDs, along with MM issues are reminiscent of why I stayed away from computer audio in the first place. Well mostly noise but that too.

[James Tanner]

I am worried will scratch the CDs due to slot loading

No I do not think you should be concerned with scratching the disc - assuming you are sober of course

james

[So There]

Hi Antun

The BOT is really a different concept than a CD player - the BOT uses the BDP-2 or BDP-1 to play a CD or rip a CD to an attached drive on the BDP. So when you are listening to the CD the signal is outputted as a digital signal and is being processed by the BDP.  With a CD player the CD is outputted as an analog signal to your preamp.

The BOT is simply a drive - no display as the display will be on the BDP as well as your IPAD or Computer etc.

Here is a shot of what it may look like:



james

Please, James, can the BOT-1 be housed like your first prototype in full rack width casing like the BDP and BDA units? Since it will likely be stacked with them, the half-width (and it appears, taller) enclosure can present installation problems. Also, it just doesn't look right next to the sleeker components.

Thankee,

Rich
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