LED ZEPPELIN Re-issue pre-order NOW!

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« Reply #40 on: 5 Jun 2014, 03:15 pm »
Looks like these have been out a couple days now, longer in the EU. Does anyone have any listening impressions on the new vinyl?

I have ok (G to VG-) copies from the 70s, but am considering buying these if the sound quality is comparable. It would be nice to have cleaner copies.

Any input appreciated.

Tom


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« Reply #42 on: 5 Jun 2014, 03:31 pm »
I'm not sure when $25 for a vinyl record became such a bargain .....  :scratch:

I mean, I totally appreciate the fact that the record companies are reissuing old music, but I think we are over paying for a lot of it. Most of the old music has been around forever and everyone has already been payed time and again. Record companies like to use words like "remastered" and "180 gram" to make us feel like we are getting something special. I don't think we are. Most of my old, department store purchased - plain vanilla Lps sound better than newly remastered audiophile versions. Well, once they take a spin or two on the record cleaning machine, they do.

When buying new music or newly remastered music, I feel like CD is actually the best way to go since the music has already been digitized anyway. You can get some killer deals of remastered, modern reissues of old music on CD and you can still play all of your old records too.
$5 bucks in 1965 money is $36.50 today. So a $25 record "IS" a steal.

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« Reply #43 on: 5 Jun 2014, 03:58 pm »
I think the vinyl itself and the pressing tends to be better on these than most mass produced albums were in the old days.

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« Reply #44 on: 5 Jun 2014, 04:06 pm »
They are getting pretty great reviews from crowds that might be predisposed against them since they were created from digital transfers.

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« Reply #45 on: 5 Jun 2014, 04:07 pm »
If you listen to hires digital it's worth knowing that the LP's are cut from the 24/96 masters, presumably the same ones available at the download sites.  BTW, those are probably the most enjoyable digital versions of the first three albums.

rbbert

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« Reply #46 on: 5 Jun 2014, 04:09 pm »
$5 bucks in 1965 money is $36.50 today. So a $25 record "IS" a steal.
True, but LP's were commonly available for $3 or so even in the early '70's, so about $20-25 in today's dollars.

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« Reply #47 on: 5 Jun 2014, 04:14 pm »
The latest Reference Recording LPs are cut from digital files.  I don't hear anyone complaining about them.  What will make or break the Zep reissues is the mastering/cutting process: compression, eq, dither, etc.  Mine are on the way from Elusive Disc, $22.99 each.

rbbert

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« Reply #48 on: 5 Jun 2014, 04:19 pm »
The latest Reference Recording LPs are cut from digital files.  I don't hear anyone complaining about them.  What will make or break the Zep reissues is the mastering/cutting process: compression, eq, dither, etc.  Mine are on the way from Elusive Disc, $22.99 each.
I guess my caveat was related to the usual question; why get an LP if the digital master is available?

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« Reply #49 on: 5 Jun 2014, 05:49 pm »
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I guess my caveat was related to the usual question; why get an LP if the digital master is available?

That's a great question!  We're buying the sonic signature of the LP medium.  Taking a digital master and cutting, plating, pressing, and playing it as an LP changes the sound.  Many of us like that change very much.

Russ

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« Reply #50 on: 5 Jun 2014, 06:00 pm »
That's a great question!  We're buying the sonic signature of the LP medium.  Taking a digital master and cutting, plating, pressing, and playing it as an LP changes the sound.  Many of us like that change very much.

Russ

Though not by much (~1 point on a  20 point scale), the LPs are a little more dynamic than digital, according to the DR Database. Not that this is the be-all-end all, and none of these are super-compressed dynamically. But just one way that vinyl and digital may differ. Often a vinyl mastering of an album is far more dynamic than the digital editions (newest Beck album for example). Also of interest from the DB database, is that the original LPs seem more dynamic than the reissues. Which is not to say that there aren't advantages to the new reissues that are more important to listeners than dynamic range. Dynamic range is just one variable among many.

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« Reply #51 on: 5 Jun 2014, 07:32 pm »
If you listen to hires digital it's worth knowing that the LP's are cut from the 24/96 masters, presumably the same ones available at the download sites.  BTW, those are probably the most enjoyable digital versions of the first three albums.

According to the Led Zeppelin website, the remasters were created from 192/24 digital transfers of the original analog tapes. http://www.ledzeppelin.com/news/2014/03/13/first-three-albums-newly-remastered-previously-unreleased-companion-audio.

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« Reply #53 on: 6 Jun 2014, 12:02 am »
Just a couple of responses to above posts.

The original analog masters were transferred at 24/192 but were then remastered by John Davis and Jimmy Page; the final product from which all release sources were derived is 24/96.  Page has mentioned that he wanted only one source for all the releases.

As far as DR goes, the creator of the program says a diference of 1 is not significant.  More than that, LP playback adds artifacts which artificially increase the number generated by the DR program (discussed in any number of places, Google will likely give you plenty of hits if you're curious).

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« Reply #54 on: 6 Jun 2014, 11:39 am »
I'm glad they are getting good reviews, except for some quality issues.  gohasings has the basic remaster for 19.99   :D

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« Reply #55 on: 10 Jun 2014, 04:20 pm »
I got my Zep I, II, & III LPs last night.  Started with the first album and didn’t get any further.  So these comments only pertain to Zep I. 

I hate being the vinyl snob who says the original pressing sounds better than the reissue, but… that’s what I heard.  The reissue does sound good.  The new pressing is quiet and the presentation is clearer, smoother and more fleshed out in the mid bass.  If I didn’t have an original to compare it to, I’d be totally happy with it.

But to my ears, the original is simply more engaging.  There’s a presence sheen that energizes and drives the music without getting too edgy.  And there’s more low-level ambient and spatial information that opens up the sound stage and gives it a more holographic dimensionality.

I’m not sure why, but that low-level information is truncated, gone, MIA on the reissue, so it sounds flatter, less dimensional. Maybe the master tapes have deteriorated to the point where that low-level detail isn’t there any more.  Maybe it got wiped out through the digital noise shaping/dithering process.  Who knows?

Listening to the bass, ride cymbal and guitar licks in the intro to How Many More Times, the difference between the two pressings is obvious.  The original opens up the time and space of the performance more convincingly.

So for Zep I, the new one is good and a lot of fun to listen to.  But it's not an improvement on an original pressing if you're lucky enough to have one.

Russ

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« Reply #56 on: 10 Jun 2014, 05:05 pm »
I ordered the CD's for II and III yesterday. I have the original RL mastered vinyl discs I purchased when they came out in the early 1970's. I have high hopes for them.

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« Reply #57 on: 10 Jun 2014, 07:47 pm »
I got my Zep I, II, & III LPs last night.  Started with the first album and didn’t get any further.  So these comments only pertain to Zep I. 

I hate being the vinyl snob who says the original pressing sounds better than the reissue, but… that’s what I heard.  The reissue does sound good.  The new pressing is quiet and the presentation is clearer, smoother and more fleshed out in the mid bass.  If I didn’t have an original to compare it to, I’d be totally happy with it.

But to my ears, the original is simply more engaging.  There’s a presence sheen that energizes and drives the music without getting too edgy.  And there’s more low-level ambient and spatial information that opens up the sound stage and gives it a more holographic dimensionality.

I’m not sure why, but that low-level information is truncated, gone, MIA on the reissue, so it sounds flatter, less dimensional. Maybe the master tapes have deteriorated to the point where that low-level detail isn’t there any more.  Maybe it got wiped out through the digital noise shaping/dithering process.  Who knows?

Listening to the bass, ride cymbal and guitar licks in the intro to How Many More Times, the difference between the two pressings is obvious.  The original opens up the time and space of the performance more convincingly.

So for Zep I, the new one is good and a lot of fun to listen to.  But it's not an improvement on an original pressing if you're lucky enough to have one.

Russ

Nice to see comments like these.
I still need to open mine, but just wondering which original pressing of LZI you are referring to? The US Atlantic?
As I understand LZII reissue is praised the most out of I,II and III, but the opinions on I and III are contradictory.  As for me, I own a Korean pressing of LZI, and if the new pressing is better, the money well spent

MaxCast

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« Reply #58 on: 10 Jun 2014, 10:39 pm »
Just picked up II today.  Hope to get a listen in.  I have two VG older non originals so this should be a step up.

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« Reply #59 on: 11 Jun 2014, 02:16 am »
$5 bucks in 1965 money is $36.50 today. So a $25 record "IS" a steal.

I get your point Elizabeth, and it's a good one at that. But check this out,,,  I just bought a bunch of RUSH remaster CDs on Amazon for $4.99 and $5.99. What is 6 dollars in 1965 money? Considering that the music has been around the block for many many years and then digitized yet again, how much should we pay? All of the work has already been done.

Remastered???, Give me a break, it was already mastered the first time., 6 bucks for these modern re-issues seems more appropriate to me.

How much more should the vinyl copy of a 6 dollar CD cost just because it's vinyl? It's still a digital remaster (or just another re-make.) I think we are getting taken on a lot of this vinyl resurgence stuff. Ok, rant over. I still buy a lot of it and yes, I enjoy it anyway. It's cheap entertainment. :D


But to my ears, the original is simply more engaging.  There’s a presence sheen that energizes and drives the music without getting too edgy.  And there’s more low-level ambient and spatial information that opens up the sound stage and gives it a more holographic dimensionality.


Hmmm........ sound staging and holographic dimensionality from Led Zeppelin? I guess I need to go back and play all of my old records now because I don't remember any of that.  :wink: I have everything on Atlantic vinyl (except Zep2 is on Mofi) so I guess I have my work cut out for me. All of it is re-issue vinyl I'm sure, since I bought it in the late '70s, or very early 1980's. Maybe it is not the best of the best.

I get a little dazed and confused when it comes to this "which copy" kind of thing......  :o