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Formula 1 - 2013

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Re: Formula 1 - 2013
« Reply #160 on: 30 Jun 2013, 12:20 pm »
Quote from: a.wayne on 12 Jun 2013, 05:28 am
There are at least 10 drivers in F1 faster than Vettel , the greatest ...... :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Just checked in on the British Geep and that slow guy, Vettel, is leading all those faster drivers. Lap 8.
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Re: Formula 1 - 2013
« Reply #161 on: 30 Jun 2013, 09:30 pm »
Paul Di Resta gave a nice weariness in Hamilton.
This race proves Pirelli and FIA sucks, journalists informed the tires explode due overheat.
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Re: Formula 1 - 2013
« Reply #162 on: 3 Jul 2013, 02:59 pm »
Quite a row over the tire situation now. Pirelli is certainly standing up for themselves at any opportunity. Left side tires being mounted on the right/ vice versa. No Kevlar belts as they requested...We have yet to see a real race this year as no team can fully come to grips with the tires changes for the the race and qualifying.  My man Hamilton has has failure after failure this year when he puts the car out front on the pole. Tough sledding this year.
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Re: Formula 1 - 2013
« Reply #163 on: 3 Jul 2013, 03:48 pm »
It was the driver's fault.

It's up to the driver to manage the car and the tires. 

Lap after lap, drivers continued to drive over the curbing (the red/white bumpers) on the edge of the track.  Many of the drivers had the inside tires of the car to the inside of the curbing and were driving over the curbing and essentially back onto the track.   

How many tires exploded?  I watched the race on yesterday and I only recall 4 or 5 left rear tire failures.  Many cars had no tire issues what so ever.  Every team had at least 2 stops, most teams had 3.  So, at a minimum, there were 66 (orig 22 left rears, plus 2 additional left rears) left rear tires used in the race.  5 failures seems higher than normal, but I still think it was the driver's fault.

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Re: Formula 1 - 2013
« Reply #164 on: 6 Jul 2013, 05:05 pm »
A real snoozefest - literally slept through most the race.  When prematurely exploding tires is the highlight & game-changer.....or maybe it's just that Silverstone doesn't lend it itself to more exciting action? Hopefully the German GP will bring more excitement.

Hope to catch Webber in his new gig.  Will be interesting to see if he can beat mid-pack in his new career.

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Re: Formula 1 - 2013
« Reply #165 on: 6 Jul 2013, 07:08 pm »
At the request of Pirelli FIA prohibits teams to reverse tires in this Germany GP.
It was used for several teams since the beginning of the year to gain performance.
Pirelli admits that no prohibiting it was a mistake;
Pirelli fully guilty Teams to the explosive tires festival in this news:
(Please translate in the google)
http://globoesporte.globo.com/motor/formula-1/noticia/2013/07/pirelli-aponta-causas-de-festival-de-pneus-furados-e-anuncia-mudancas.html
Some Pirelli points to guilty Teams:
Rear tires reversed: Pirelli identified that tires failures were experienced with the rear tires reversed only, that is--> the right tire was placed on the left side and vice versa. The teams had discovered earlier in the season that revfersing rear tires made an improvement in performance on some GPs. Pirelli emphasized that the tires asymmetric structure this year were not designed to be reversed, because the side walls were built to handle specific loads internally and externally.

Low pressure: Pirelli noted the use of excessively low pressures, lower than indicated, and noted that the measure exposes the compound most stressful conditions.

High camber: was also listed the use of extreme camber angles.

Aggressive Zebras: Pirelli according to the above, combined with the zebras "particularly aggressive" as the curve 4 of Silverstone (scenario of most problems), resulted in problems. Because of this combination that all cases have affected rear tires left.
To me this means that we will continue to see tires and pit stops deciding races...
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Re: Formula 1 - 2013
« Reply #166 on: 6 Jul 2013, 07:12 pm »
Germany GP starting grid, small Nürburgring circuit 5.148m:
1) Lewis Hamilton (ING/Mercedes) -1m29s398
2) Sebastian Vettel (ALE/RBR) -1m29s501  +0s103
3) Mark Webber (AUS/RBR) -1m29s608  +0s210
4) Kimi Raikkonen (FIN/Lotus) -1m29s892  +0s494
5) Romain Grosjean (FRA/Lotus) -1m29s959  +0s561
6) Daniel Ricciardo (AUS/STR) -1m30s528  +1s130
7) Felipe Massa (BRA/Ferrari) -1m31s126  +1s728
8 ) Fernando Alonso (ESP/Ferrari) -1m31s209  +1s811
9) Jenson Button (ING/McLaren) - sem tempo no Q3
10) Nico Hulkenberg (ALE/Sauber) - sem tempo no Q3

Eliminados no Q2 (tempo de corte: 1m30s269)
11) Nico Rosberg (ALE/Mercedes) -1m30s326
12) Paul di Resta (ESC/Force India) -1m30s697
13) Sergio Pérez (MEX/McLaren) -1m30s933
14) Esteban Gutiérrez (MEX/Sauber) -1m31s010
15) Adrian Sutil (ALE/Force India) -1m31s010
16) Jean-Eric Vergne (FRA/STR) -1m31s104

Eliminados no Q1 (tempo de corte: 1m31s681)
17)  Valtteri Bottas (FIN/Williams) -1m31s693
18)  Pastor Maldonado (VEN/Williams) -1m31s707
19)  Charles Pic (FRA/Caterham) -1m32s937
20)  Jules Bianchi (FRA/Marussia) -1m33s063
21)  Giedo van der Garde (HOL/Caterham) -1m33s734
22)  Max Chilton (ING/Marussia) -1m34s098
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Re: Formula 1 - 2013
« Reply #167 on: 6 Jul 2013, 08:50 pm »
I have to second David Hobbs. Who would have thought Lewis would be having such a good season with Mercedes.
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Re: Formula 1 - 2013
« Reply #168 on: 7 Jul 2013, 01:51 pm »
Quote from: a.wayne on 12 Jun 2013, 05:28 am
There are at least 10 drivers in F1 faster than Vettel , the greatest ...... :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

German Geep
The slow guy wins again.
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Re: Formula 1 - 2013
« Reply #169 on: 7 Jul 2013, 04:43 pm »
Massa said by the radio to the team(who already knew that by telemetry) that your engine turned off and the gear box locked.
After the race Massa informed press rear tires suddenly locked, then gearbox got stuck in 5º gear and engine turned off.
Ferrari again acted against their second pilot to favor Alonso.

Worth mentioning that Massa was faster than Alonso in all this GP practices, something that this team can not tolerate.

After the last lap Alonso car was out of gas and parked at the grass, one more FIA rules braking.
Obviously Ferrari will pressure FIA and Alonso will not punished.
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Re: Formula 1 - 2013
« Reply #170 on: 8 Jul 2013, 04:31 pm »
You're not seriously suggesting that Ferrari remote-control locked Massa's gearbox, then shut off his engine....... :o
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Re: Formula 1 - 2013
« Reply #171 on: 8 Jul 2013, 04:36 pm »
Sounds to me like Massa's gearbox seized up.  If the rears lock, it would kill the engine, so I didn't consider Ferrari team intervention.

If Massa thinks that the team intervened, well, then he needs to walk away from Ferrari and find someone else to drive for.  In auto racing, it's very important that the driver trusts the team.

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Re: Formula 1 - 2013
« Reply #172 on: 8 Jul 2013, 09:25 pm »
Quote from: jarcher on  8 Jul 2013, 04:31 pm
You're not seriously suggesting that Ferrari remote-control locked Massa's gearbox, then shut off his engine....... :o
Seriously no, as I had no hard evidences to show, but afew time ago Ferrari came overnight in the F1 garage and broke the Massa gearbox seal just to benefit Alonso in 1 grid position.

When Massa is ahead of Alonso always a strange incident happen and xxx(insert here your favorite second pilot-Massa, Barichello, Rakkinen, Jack Ickxs, Carlos Reuteman etc) is out.
Iam seeing these Ferrari second pilot incidents since the 1970s years.
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Re: Formula 1 - 2013
« Reply #173 on: 27 Jul 2013, 05:53 pm »
Hungary F1 GP starting grid:
1    Lewis Hamilton (ING)    Mercedes    1min19s388
2    Sebastian Vettel (ALE)    Red Bull    1min19s426
3    Romain Grosjean (FRA)    Lotus    1min19s595
4    Nico Rosberg (ALE)    Mercedes    1min19s720
5    Fernando Alonso (ESP)    Ferrari    1min19s791
6    Kimi Raikkonen (FIN)    Lotus    1min19s851
7    Felipe Massa (BRA)    Ferrari    1min19s929
8    Daniel Ricciardo (AUS)    Toro Rosso    1min20s641
9    Sergio Perez (MEX)    McLaren    1min22s398
10    Mark Webber (AUS)    Red Bull    1min20s503
11    Adrian Sutil (ALE)    Force India    1min20s569
12    Nico Hulkenberg (ALE)    Sauber    1min20s580
13    Jenson Button (ING)    McLaren    1min20s777
14    Jean-Eric Vergne (FRA)    Toro Rosso    1min21s029
15    Pastor Maldonado (VEN)    Williams    1min21s133
16    Valtteri Bottas (FIN)    Williams    1min21s219
17    Paul di Resta (ESC)    Force India    1min22s043
18    Charles Pic (FRA)    Caterham    1min23s007
19    Giedo van der Garde (HOL)    Caterham    1min23s333
20    Jules Bianchi (FRA)    Marussia    1min23s787
21    Max Chilton (ING)    Marussia    1min23s997
22    Esteban Gutierrez (MEX)*    Sauber    1min21s724
* Lost 10 position for change engine.
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Re: Formula 1 - 2013
« Reply #174 on: 23 Aug 2013, 08:01 pm »
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Re: Formula 1 - 2013
« Reply #175 on: 23 Aug 2013, 10:02 pm »
Spa - one of my favorite tracks!  :thumb:

Eau Rouge is just about the definitive complex of F1 IMHO

Hope it's a great week with good drama!
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Re: Formula 1 - 2013
« Reply #176 on: 23 Aug 2013, 10:13 pm »
Unfortunately Eau Rouge is now just another corner taken flat out due to the advanced aero capabilities of modern F1 cars.  It only remains a very bad place to crash if something goes wrong.

I would really like to see F1 run at Road America.

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Re: Formula 1 - 2013
« Reply #177 on: 24 Aug 2013, 07:46 pm »
Belgian GP starting grig:
1) Lewis Hamilton (ING/Mercedes) 2m01s012         
2) Sebastian Vettel (ALE/RBR) 2m01s200  + 0s188s
3) Mark Webber (AUS/RBR) 2m01s325  + 0s313s
4) Nico Rosberg (ALE/Mercedes) 2m02s251  + 1s239s
5) Paul di Resta (ESC/Force India) 2m02s332  + 1s320s
6) Jenson Button (ING/McLaren) 2m03s075  + 2s063s
7) Romain Grosjean (FRA/Lotus) 2m03s081  + 2s069s
8 ) Kimi Raikkonen (FIN/Lotus) 2m03s390  + 2s378s
9) Fernando Alonso (ESP/Ferrari) 2m03s482  + 2s470s
10) Felipe Massa (BRA/Ferrari) 2m04s059  + 3s047s
Q2 out:
11) Nico Hulkenberg (ALE/Sauber) 1m49s088
12) Adrian Sutil (ALE/Force India) 1m49s103
13) Sergio Pérez (MEX/McLaren) 1m49s304
14) Giedo van der Garde (HOL/Caterham) 1m52s036
15) Jules Bianchi (FRA/Marussia) 1m52s563
16) Max Chilton (ING/Marussia) 1m52s762
Q1 out:
17) Pastor Maldonado (VEN/Williams) 2m03s072
18) Jean-Eric Vergne (FRA/STR) 2m03s300
19) Daniel Ricciardo (AUS/STR) 2m03s317
20) Valtteri Bottas (FIN/Williams) 2m03s432
21) Esteban Gutiérrez (MEX/Sauber) 2m04s324
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Re: Formula 1 - 2013
« Reply #178 on: 25 Aug 2013, 03:24 pm »
Quote from: a.wayne on 12 Jun 2013, 05:28 am
There are at least 10 drivers in F1 faster than Vettel , the greatest ...... :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Still rotflmao?
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Re: Formula 1 - 2013
« Reply #179 on: 7 Sep 2013, 07:32 pm »
Sauber in 3º ahead of both Ferraris,
Massa beats Alonso who complains:
"So, you have to let it go. You really are geniuses! Mamma mia, guys!
Also there is also the impression of Alonso have said "scemi" (idiots) instead of "geni" (genius).
Italy-Monza GP starting grid:
1) Sebastian Vettel (ALE/Red Bull) 1m23s755
2) Mark Webber (AUS/Red Bull) 1m23s968  +0s213
3) Nico Hulkenberg (ALE/Sauber) 1m24s065  +0s310
4) Felipe Massa (BRA/Ferrari) 1m24s132  +0s377
5) Fernando Alonso (ESP/Ferrari) 1m24s142  +0s387
6) Nico Rosberg (ALE/Mercedes) 1m24s192  +0s437
7) Daniel Ricciardo (AUS/STR) 1m24s209  +0s454
8 ) Sergio Pérez (MEX/McLaren) 1m24s502  +0s747
9) Jenson Button (ING/McLaren) 1m24s515  +0s760
10) Jean-Eric Vergne (FRA/STR) 1m28s050  +4s295
11) Kimi Raikkonen (FIN/Lotus) 1m24s610
12) Lewis Hamilton (ING/Mercedes) 1m24s803
13) Romain Grosjean (FRA/Lotus) 1m24s848
14) Pastor Maldonado (VEN/Williams) 1m25s011
15) Paul di Resta (ESC/Force India) 1m25s077
16) Esteban Gutiérrez (MEX/Sauber) 1m25s226
17) Adrian Sutil (ALE/Force India) 1m24s932*
18) Valtteri Bottas (FIN/Williams) 1m25s291
19) Giedo van der Garde (HOl/Caterham) 1m26s406
20) Charles Pic (FRA/Caterham) 1m26s563
21) Jules Bianchi (FRA/Marussia) 1m27s085
22) Max Chilton (ING/Marussia) 1m27s480
* Adrian Sutil (ALE/Force India) loss 3 positions for block Lewis Hamilton (ING/Mercedes) at Q2.
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