[WireNut]

 Neo and other members made me realize that my old stylus would damage by albums so I'll wait till my new cartridge comes in.

[simoon]

Yes, that's what I'm going to do. I'm very sorry if I offended anyone here, that was never my intention. I hate being so green on vinyl equipment. I'm learning a lot.
My sincere apologies.

Steve

Other than a couple of people that felt it was necessary to get on your case, there was no offense taken.

We've almost all been where you are. We've all gone through our growing pains. We've all made mistakes. Not very many of us have been able to spend $1000's on our first foray into vinyl.

Anything you are doing now is a learning experience. Whether you continue with vinyl, end up spending much more in the near future, or quitting vinyl playback all together, you are learning tons of info. Most of us would have zero knowledge of vinyl playback if we didn't start just where you are now.

[doug s.]

if you are prudent and patient and willing to shop used, you should be able to find a complete winyl rig - turntable, cartridge, phono stage and interconnects - for $1k-$1.5k that will outperform any redbook rig at any price.

doug s.

[pumpkinman]

if you are prudent and patient and willing to shop used, you should be able to find a complete winyl rig - turntable, cartridge, phono stage and interconnects - for $1k-$1.5k that will outperform any redbook rig at any price.

doug s.

I couldn't agree more  but then again I'm vinyl prejudice

[doug s.]

I couldn't agree more  but then again I'm vinyl prejudice

i am not prejudiced, it's yust what my ears tell me...   

doug s.

[pumpkinman]

i am not prejudiced, it's yust what my ears tell me...   

doug s.

Speaking of myself no you

[WireNut]

 Well, I just picked up a vintage Pioneer PL-117D table with a Stanton D61 cart and it sounds way better then what I started out with. I'm not sure why that is just yet, but the Pioneer is a lot heavier, belt driven and the Stanton cart sounds much smoother with better bass then the Shure I started out with. Things are definitely looking up. 
 

[MaxCast]

Be interesting to try the Stanton on the technics table.
That is what happened to me. Bought a used decent table with a bum needle and was 
Bought another used table with good set up and was    then 
Couple more needles later and I'm happy.

[wushuliu]

Well, I just picked up a vintage Pioneer PL-117D table with a Stanton D61 cart and it sounds way better then what I started out with. I'm not sure why that is just yet, but the Pioneer is a lot heavier, belt driven and the Stanton cart sounds much smoother with better bass then the Shure I started out with. Things are definitely looking up. 

Test the Stanton on the Technics. This is assuming that you know the real condition of the D61 from a trusted seller. If not, it's still a risk to use it. An unknown used cart just should not be put to use because of potential damage to the records.

[JackD]

The Stanton D61 is one of the designations for the Stanton 600 or the Pickering Phase IV cartridges.  There are still NOS styli available if you like the sound. 

[WireNut]

The Stanton D61 is one of the designations for the Stanton 600 or the Pickering Phase IV cartridges.  There are still NOS styli available if you like the sound.

I'm liking the sound of the Stanton way better. I'm getting a new stylus for it Yesterday.

[JackD]

This is the cheapest price I have found on a NOS Stanton 600/Pickering Phase IV stylus and I own one

http://www.thevoiceofmusic.com/catalog/part_detail.asp?PNumberBase=607&SearchType=MfgNameNeedles&MfgName=Pickering&Categories=

You want the 607-DEM

[WireNut]

This is the cheapest price I have found on a NOS Stanton 600/Pickering Phase IV stylus and I own one

http://www.thevoiceofmusic.com/catalog/part_detail.asp?PNumberBase=607&SearchType=MfgNameNeedles&MfgName=Pickering&Categories=

You want the 607-DEM

JackD,

I'll order one right away.
The 607-DEM says it's for a manual TT.
The 607-DET says it's for an single play automatic TT which is what my Pioneer PL-117D is.
May be it doesn't matter ?

Steve

   

[JackD]

Slightly different compliance, but it doesn't really matter that much.  I don't think you could find a reference for the compliance figures for either though as most of the Pickering historical data is immposible to find.  I have used the 607-DEM on two different fully automatics and it is fine.  This is what the competition is selling it for when he has it.

http://www.turntableneedles.com/Needle-607-DEM_p_1204.html

[doug s.]

I'm liking the sound of the Stanton way better. I'm getting a new stylus for it Yesterday.

even if you are liking the sound of your stanton, i would consider a catridge upgrade sooner rather than later.  find a cartridge whose sound you like that has a fine-line/micro-ridge/etc type stylus.  it will offer lower noise, better tracking and less record wear than an elliptical stylus....

ymmv,

doug s.

[trackball02]

Wirenut, how much did the Pioneer PL-117D cost you? Did you need any repairs to get it going?